In an exclusive interview with Joshua Cook, Jim Fox, the scout leader of the Mid-Iowa Boy Scout Troop 111, explained what happened earlier this month at a checkpoint along the Alaska – Canada border.

At the check point, one of the boys took a picture of the border agent and "threw the agent into a frenzy." According to Fox, the agent immediately confiscated the camera, told the boy that he could be subjected to 10 years of prison or a $10,000 fine. The boys and driver were escorted inside the border patrol station.

"The border agent tried to bait me. He wanted to get a reaction out of me and I did not give it to him," said Fox. The border agent didn't want Fox to follow him while he searched the van because Fox might turn over "search techniques to the undesirables."

One of the agents asked to see one of the bags of the scouts. One scout knew where the bag was and tried to get the bag to assist the agent. That's when Fox said an agent had a loaded pistol pointed at the boy.

Fox said that the boy thought the agent was going to shoot him and got back into the van. "They were sitting there scared to death," said Fox.

"And for our government to take these young men and illegally search them and illegally seize and pull a weapon on these kids — something is wrong."

Joshua Cook asked Fox, "Did you feel at that moment that you still lived in America?"

"No," said Fox. "I didn't and neither did the boys."

Fox said that they have experienced this type of intimidation before with the TSA in Orlando, FL. In the Orlando one of the eagle scouts accidentally dropped his boots after going through a full search.

One of the officers said, "...if that boy doesn't calm down I will arrest him and remove him from this airport." Fox asked the officer, "What did the boy do?"

"He dropped his boots in a threatening manner, said the officer."

The border patrol agent asked Fox, "I suppose you're wondering why we are doing this?" While pointing at the teenage boy the agent told Fox, "It's our job to protect this border. It's our job to keep terrorists from crossing the border."

Senator Chuck Grassley told Fox News, "It's outrageous that a border patrol agent would point a gun at a boy scout just for taking a picture," he told the television station. "It just doesn't make sense."

Cook asked Fox if he thought his Fourth Amendment was violated.

"Totally," answered Fox.

Fox had a meeting scheduled with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) this week to discuss the event, but will not attend without a constitutional attorney from the Rutherford Institute. According to Fox's Facebook page, The Rutherford Institute offered to represent him.

Cook asked, "Is there any video footage of this event?" According to Fox, the DHS will not send a copy of the video to him, media organizations or Sen. Grassley.

Fox told Cook that the Rutherford Institute will submit a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to access the video. DHS claims there is no audio of the event.

Cook asked Fox, "In light of the open borders and drug cartels going back and forth at the southern border freely, does it anger you at all that the focus of border security is on patriotic groups like the Boy Scouts?"

"It's frustrating," said Fox. "It's frustrating that we give these thugs that kind of power."

"And for our government to take these young men and illegally search them and illegally seize and pull a weapon on these kids — something is wrong," said Fox.

"But they're questioning whether or not they can go back into their own country…something's not right!"

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