Pope Francis Views Capitalism As The New Tyranny

Since his coronation, Pope Francis has made waves throughout the Catholic community, often shunning generally accepted Papal tradition for a more modern and progressive world. He is, for lack of a better term, a reformer. From refusing the luxurious living quarters traditionally reserved for the head of the Church in the Vatican, to turning Catholic dogma on its head by suggesting it’s OK to be gay when he addressed the issue by asking, “Who am I to judge?” Francis is unlike any popes who have come before him.

The-Pope_2514251bBy some accounts, he has been a positive influence, as evidenced by a growing interest in Catholicism since he took the reigns of the Church. For others, especially those who have followed the centuries old prophecies of Saint Malachy, his message is being approached with caution and skepticism.

Now, in his first encyclical, a Papal letter sent to Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church, Francis has once again caused an uproar by claiming free market capitalism and trickle-down economics are unproven theories not backed with facts.

“It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new,” the pontiff wrote in the 85-page document. “Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the ‘exploited’ but the outcast, the ‘leftovers’.

The pope also denounced “trickle-down” theories of economics promoted by many conservatives and politicians who espouse an unregulated free market.

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” he said. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.”

“In addition to restating opposition by the Catholic Church to abortion, the new Pope criticized free market capitalism and advocated wealth redistribution,” notes Kurt Nimmo of Infowars about the Pope’s latest ideas.

While the free market system as it exists today is certainly not ideal, especially considering the elite political machinations taking place behind the scenes on a global scale (including within the halls of the Vatican itself), Pope Francis seems to indicate in his encyclical that the solution is wealth redistribution – on a global scale.

Helping the poor and destitute has always been a tenet of Christianity and Catholicism, but the Pope’s statements become suspect for a variety of reasons, with one of the keys being the notion that he is the fulfillment of a prophecy that claims Francis will be the Pope that ushers in an era right out of the Book of Revelation.

The hesitation for many in subscribing to Francis’ message of reformation is attributed to a document referred to as the Prophecy of the Popes, which was hidden in the vaults of the Vatican for nearly 900 years, but followed closely by insiders:

In 1139 A.D. the Catholic Saint Malachy was said to have experienced visions during a trip to Rome. He subsequently put these visions to paper and penned a document containing 112 short phrases purporting to describe all future popes that would head the Catholic Church. Though not a part of official Catholic dogma or church teachings, this Prophecy of the Popes is well known by Vatican officials and church scholars because it has been remarkably accurate about naming the last 111 heads of one of the world’s oldest and most widespread religions.

According to researchers, theologians and evangelical scholars, the phrases Malachy scribed in his writings offer up the “nature, name, destiny or coat of arms” of every pope in succession and culminate with the naming of the 112th pope.

Now, according to prophecy, the 112th Pope will step up to head the Church, and he will be named Petrus Romanus, or Peter the Roman.

Here’s the scary part, and one that has given Catholics and other theologians pause, because according to Malachy’s prophecy, Petrus Romanus is to be the final pope, who will oversee not only the destruction of the Catholic Church, but the world as we know it:

“In extreme persecution the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman…”

“Who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible or fearsome judge will judge his people.

The End.”

Prophecy of the Popes – Attributed to St. Malachy circa 1139 A.D.

Tom Horn of Raiders News Update and one of the world’s foremost experts on the subject published a book in 2012 with theologian Chris Putnam titled Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here. In their book, the researches claim that the 111th Pope, Benedict, would resign from his position, something that had not happened for 600 years. Benedict did, in fact, resign less than a year later and was replaced by current Pope Francis.

According to Horn, though Francis’ name does not directly match that of “Petrus Romanus,” he may well be fulfilling the age-old prophecy of Malachy:

Horn has said a pope of Italian descent would fulfill the prophecy, noting Bergoglio is the son of Italian parents and a Jesuit.

“Being a Jesuit is a very important aspect of our prediction in our book,” Horn told WND in an email.

He also sees significance in Bergoglio naming himself after Francis of Assisi, an Italian, or Roman, priest whose original name was Francesco di Pietro (Peter) di Bernardone, “literally, Peter the Roman.”

What’s more, in a recent interview Tom Horn tied together Malachy’s writings with the research of other Vatican scholars and theologians which indicate that, while Francis himself may not be the biblical anti-christ, he may be the world leader who introduces him, supports his ideas and helps to convince unwitting followers to put their trust in him.

Something big is coming… it does involve the war of wars… and I believe that we’re on the precipice of it right now.

I want to talk about the strategems that I believe will be used to initiate it…

It is a war between good and evil… but on the surface it might not appear to be because it’s also going to include believers against believers… and I’m talking about some of the biggest ministries in the world…

Tom Horn Full Interview with Steve Quayle on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report:

*Note: This is a 3 hour interview and worth listening to in full. For those with limited time, we suggest forwarding to about 1:03:00 into the interview where Tom Horn details his research.

Stepping outside of Church dogma by attacking the concept of free market capitalism may soon be revealed to be a politically motivated move by the Pope with much deeper implications.

At this point, while we should not necessarily ignore Malachy’s prophecy or the Pope’s enyclical, some skepticism is certainly understandable.

Until Francis begins to put his support behind world leaders or political movements, it remains difficult, if not impossible, to confirm the Pope has ulterior motives and is, in fact, fulfillment of prophecy. However, the goings on in the world suggest that Tom Horn is on target with his assessment that something big is coming. And the fact that there are over one billion Catholics globally indicates that whatever happens will also involve the Church as well as this pope.

History proves that the Roman Catholic Church has been directly involved in confrontations since its very inception, so its involvement now would not be without precedent.

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  • Dr. 9

    I wonder if he's smart enough to have a food taster with him, given all the dangerous and powerful enemies he's making? He wouldn't be the first pope "put to sleep".

  • Mr.Gee Marino

    I have just as much Authority as the Pope... I just don't have as many half-wits who Believe it - lol.

  • Jack Parker

    Pope Francis is ignorant, stupid, lying, insane and criminally naive. He should stick to caring for catholic souls and leave economics and politics to the adults.

  • Luis D. Rey

    That's exactly how I have felt all along regarding this arrogant Argentinian, he's embracing Karl Max and Odumbo's a. k. a. Barry Soetoro's utopia,
    What happened to the separation of Churcch/Religion and State?
    I also believe that this "Francisca" is a hypocrite and a foot fetish for Col....


    Capitalism is cruel. It makes a person work for his living. Unlike government who only requires someone to ask for the subsistence THE QUESTION IS: WHY DOES ANYONE WORK?? THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TAX MONEY SINCE THEY CAN BORROW WHATEVER THEY NEED. OBAMA THE MIRACLE WORKER.

  • No-Mo-BO

    It's a certain fact that billions of Capitalist dollars have 'trickled down' in order to build and maintain Vatican City.

  • usluv

    That left me with no respect for the pope and his constituents. I am so deeply disappointed.

  • CaMaven

    Actually, I think he said "unfettered Capitalism, " although I doubt that he is able to discern between the effects of that and "unfettred government."

  • agbjr

    Articles such as this always awaken numerous fundamentalist zealots and bigots. Sad so many who call themselves Christians are so visibly ignorant of Christianity itself.

  • Puncher

    Latin American Catholicism is communism...everyone knows that. It's called liberation theology.

  • shearwater

    Malachi Martin, Vatican insider, predicted this in his book, "The Keys of this Blood," that Pope John Paul feared that a liberal pope would be elected by the majority of the College of Cardinals who are liberal and who subscribe to liberation theology, which is essentially a Marxist paradigm, and that the whole church would become apostate. Capitalism is the freeist and fairest economic system, that reached its zenith in the American economic system. The Chinese are discovering that and their standard of living is rising. Capitalism is nothing more than a large auction in which everyone can participate. As Ronald Reagan once said, "A rising tide raises all ships."

  • greyhound44

    Just another worthless POS in Girly robes - as bad as the Muslims in Saudi, etc.
    Go play in the slums you Fool!

  • Edward C Schaub

    Are these the same Catholics that aided and abetted the Nazis

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      The Vatican did indeed aid Hitler in the murder of 6 million Jews.
      The truth is, The Vatican helped place Hitler into power.

    • agbjr

      Thousands of Jewish children across Europe were kept from death by nuns and priests producing to NAZI officials Church-issued baptismal and confirmation records clearly attesting these children to be Catholic. These certificates were forged by direct order of Pope Pius XII. One little Jewish girl from Hungary who's life was saved by such 'documents' grew up to become US Secretary of State, Madeline Albright. For centuries the Vatican has maintained the most extensive diplomatic network in the world and often quietly used it to save lives; this network saved thousands from NAZI horrors.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      Is the Bible the sole authority for faith and practice? The Roman Catholic Church says it is not. The Vatican II Council affirmed that “both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal feelings of devotion and reverence” (Vatican II documents, “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation,” Chap. 2, 9, p. 682).

      Thus, Rome has boldly exalted its traditions to a status equal with Holy Scripture.


    • agbjr

      Since you clearly are not Roman Catholic it is of no concern to you.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      Liars are always a concern to me.

    • J R Johnson

      Yes...and you concern me greatly!!!

    • Conservator440

      If lies and misrepresentations are same or similar, you should be concerned about yourself.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.


    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.


    • J R Johnson

      There was no Bible before the 4th century. did you ever read some history?

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.
    • J R Johnson

      People like Ray were born and bred in hate....he was probably marinated in it.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.
    • J R Johnson

      That's a lie and you know it.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.
    • J R Johnson

      Mary is crying because somebody showed her a picture of you!!!

    • Bobseeks

      Mary is crying because the sodomites and pedophiles of the papacy have lied about who she is and what she has done.

    • The Watchman

      The horrendous actions of Adolf Hitler, the madman are his, and his alone. Remember, the entire Western world by not stopping Hitler from the onset, was also unintentionally perhaps, complicit in the deaths of not just Jews, but many Christians and yes many Catholic priests and nuns suffered terrible deaths at the hands of the Nazis because they protected innocent Jews. Let's not forget the Brigades of Muslims who were also an integral part of Hitler's death to all Jews campaign. There is plenty of blame to go around when talking about the holocaust. My opinion is that the Pope, who is no more righteous or holy than any sinner has an agenda that is socialist in nature. The fact that he is anti-capitalist is the fact that he is uneducated or miss-educated in the successes of the United States of America, at least until the Communist/Progressive movement infiltrated our government branches. The fact remains, Hitler and only Hitler can be held responsible for his heinous orders to Nazi troops.

    • J R Johnson

      No...they're the same Catholics that have the largest charitable institution in the United States. Yes...and we feed and clothe Protestants too.

  • kalli

    Pope Francis I may just be the last Pope and fulfill the Malachy Prophecy.

  • drofelkcahs

    Did anyone tell the pope that Christianity is an unproven theory not supported by facts?
    I don't think that God "revealed" to him that capitalism is a flawed economic system or that homosexuality is OK in God's eyes. He seems to be following the progressive agenda instead of the Bible.

  • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

    Vatican Calls For World Government

    November 2011

    The current global economic crisis has pushed world leaders to begin recommending a world government. The Vatican is now calling for a “global public authority,” including a world central bank controlling global financial affairs. An 18-page document released by the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department was entitled, “Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority.” It condemned the “idolatry of the market” and called for an in-depth examination of “the principles and the cultural and moral values at the basis of social coexistence.” “Selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods,” is blamed for the economic crisis which, it predicted, would lead to “a climate of growing hostility and even violence, and ultimately undermine the very foundations of democratic institutions, even the ones considered most solid.”

    France’s top financial regulator, Jean-Pierre Jouyet, was quick to agree that, “the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace is right to emphasize in its latest report the need to strengthen global governance.” He pointed out that the “states have increasingly fallen under the control of markets….States, politics, must regain control of things.” As a first step, Jouyet emphasized the need to “strengthen” the powers of the new European banking and insurance regulators.

    Of course, this also fits neatly with the U.S. President’s stated goal to “share the wealth around.” The world is succumbing to the false idea that more laws and regulations by the government is the solution to the “selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods.” Lost in all this is the biblical concept that the basic problem is the human heart and only when it is changed by the Holy Spirit will social, economic, cultural and political problems be solved.

    Part of the government’s job is to suppress evil, but it cannot do it alone. That is why America’s founding fathers made sure that we were free to promote biblical truth. Churches, Bible schools, and charities were given tax favor so the government would not hamper the dissemination of the gospel. In this level playing field the church’s job was to counter Satan’s strategies at the most basic level, the condition of the human heart. None of the devil’s lies of evolution, humanism, Islam, Catholicism, atheism, socialism, etc. can stand against a robust and dynamic soul winning and discipleship effort.

    Unfortunately today, the church finds itself playing catch-up. And Satan has hobbled the churches with defective bibles leaving pastors doubting the word of God and the people in confusion. Using that doubt, the Devil has convinced us that hell may not be so bad, homosexuality is not really a sin, evolution may be part of God’s creation process, worldly music and entertainment is okay, marriage vows don’t really mean what they say, and whoever dies with the most toys wins.

    Institutions such as Harvard and Yale that were established to train pastors have become hotbeds of anti-Christ philosophies: humanism, naturalism, atheism, Marxism and evolution. Their graduates have firmly planted these godless viewpoints in our public schools and government institutions, driving out the Ten Commandments and forbidding any reference to our Creator.

    The crises we are facing are designed by God to shock us awake. But once awake, people need to know the truth and that is not always where they are likely to find it. But, over the years, thousands of people have told us that a no-nonsense gospel tract is where they first discovered the Truth. From it, they eventually found their way to their Creator, committed their lives to Him, and began to stand in righteousness against Satan’s whispers of doubt. Only the gospel can forestall the chaos prophesied for the end times and allow a few more into the Kingdom. We need to saturate our communities with biblical truth. The easiest way that anyone can do that is with gospel tracts.


  • Bobseeks

    More proof of the lie of papal infallibility and proof that the catholic church is full of useful idiots for the left.

    • agbjr

      Try reading the Papal Bull issued by Pius IX and upheld by the First Vatican Council on July 18, 1870. His Holiness is infallible ONLY in matters of Church doctrine for as Pope he is Christ's Vicar on Earth. In all other matters - specifically those that do not stem from dogma - the Holy Father is subject to all imperfections displayed by the rest of humanity as he himself is human and therefore can be wrong on human matters.

      "The Pope is not an oracle; he is infallible in very rare situations, as we know"

      Benedict XVI, July, 2005

      "I am only infallible if I speak infallibly but I shall never do that, so I am not infallible"

      John XXIII

    • Bobseeks

      "His Holiness"? You must be joking. The pope is no more holy than the the worst sinner who has come to Christ. No man is holy except through Jesus. There is no hierarchy of holiness, therefore no man deserves the title "His Holiness". Also, there is nothing in Scripture that indicates that any man is infallible. Your catholic beliefs are a stench in GOD's nostrils.

    • agbjr

      Your ignorance and religious bigotry is showing ... not an attribute of a true Constitution-abiding United States Citizen. Sad.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      Every Catholic Needs to Read This.

    • Jack Parker

      I love it when you bible thumping hypocrites engage in this internecine squabbling. It shows just how closed minded you rally are.

    • J R Johnson

      These people are beyond sad!!!

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      Roman Catholic Heresies Documented.

    • agbjr

      If you do not subscribe to Roman Catholicism then frankly why is it any of your business? Let others worship as they please or not worship at all if that be their pleasure. Unless you are physically threatened or harmed under the law by the religions of your fellow Americans it is not your concern.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.
    • J R Johnson

      The tent collapsed there too.

    • J R Johnson

      I tried the website...looks like the tent collapsed.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.
    • J R Johnson

      There's nothing in Scripture regarding electricity either. But I challenge you to stick your finger in an electrical outlet. Get the point.

    • Bobseeks

      The only point you and the other papist vermin and liars have made is that you are an apostate form of imbecile who cannot even frame a rational reply to my post.

    • J R Johnson

      You're disgusting; I'll bet you abuse helpless animals.

    • Bobseeks

      Being slandered by a papist zombie does not bother me in the least.

    • J R Johnson

      And being called names by an evangelical retard doesn't bother me either!!!

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      In spite of claims of contemporary Catholic propagandists, the Roman Catholic Church worships Mary. They use the term “venerate,” but it is the same thing.

      According to Rome, she was immaculately (sinlessly) conceived, participated in Christ’s suffering for mankind, ascended bodily to Heaven, was crowned Queen of the universe, and intercedes for sinners.

      During a radio message concluding the Jubilee of the Redemption, April 28, 1935, Pope Pius XI gave the Catholic Mary the title Co-redemptrix. At least five times Pope Paul II referred to her by this title in his papal statements. In his general audience in 1997, he said that Mary “collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity” (Vatican Information Service, April 9, 1997). This pope dedicated himself and the whole world to Mary.

      The influential book The Glories of Mary by Alphonsus Mary de Liguori, a Catholic saint, calls Mary our Life, our Help, our Advocate, our Guardian, our Mediatress, our Salvation, and the Hope of Sinners. Chapter 5 says “Mary’s intercession is necessary for our salvation.” This book was tested 20 times by the rules of Pope Urban VIII and Pope Benedict XIV and was said to contain not “one word worthy of censure.” It was pronounced to be without error by Pope Pius VII and by Pope Leo XII. Pope John Paul II acknowledged Liguori’s influence in his own idolatrous affection for Mary. Liguori’s book continues to be published today with theimprimatur [Latin meaning “let it be printed”] of various Catholic authorities.


      In the Church of the Mother of God of Polish Martyrs in Warsaw, Poland, Mary is depicted hanging on the cross holding the child Jesus.

      Outside of the main Mary basilica in Rome (Santa Maria Maggiore) there is a large crucifix with Jesus hanging on one side and a crowned Mary hanging on the other.

      This statue depicts Rome’s dogma that Mary is the co-redemptress with Christ and that she intercedes for men from Heaven and aids in their salvation.

      Note the following quotations from the Vatican II Council:

      “As St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching ... ‘death through Eve, LIFE THROUGH MARY.’ This UNION OF THE MOTHER WITH THE SON IN THE WORK OF SALVATION is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 56, pp. 380-381).

      “Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but BY HER MANIFOLD INTERCESSION CONTINUES TO BRING US THE GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of ADVOCATE, HELPER, BENEFACTRESS, and MEDIATRIX” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 62, pp. 382-383).

      A plaque in the Chapel of the Virgin of the Grace at Saints Vincent and Anastasius Church in Rome says, “Cardinal Benedetto Odescalchi, who became the pope with the name of Innocent XI, initiated THE WORSHIP OF THE IMAGE, placed on the altar in 1677, and wanted his heart to be buried here, not in the main chapel.”

      This is only one example of many that could be given of the term “worship” used in regard to Mary in Rome’s churches.


      In the Church of the Mother of God of Polish Martyrs in Warsaw, Poland, Mary is also surrounded by the 12 apostles who are adoring her rather than Jesus Christ.


      The Saint Stanislaus Kostka Catholic church in Chicago features an image of Mary on the very Ark of God. She is sitting above the Ark in the place that was occupied by God’s presence in the Tabernacle, and she is surrounded by adoring cherubim. This blasphemous image occupies the central altar where Mass is performed. The church’s official literature says that the image depicts the Catholic doctrines that Mary was immaculately conceived and sinless, that she participated in Christ’s suffering for mankind, and that she was bodily assumed into glory and crowned Queen of Heaven. The icon depicting Mary as the Ark of Mercy was dedicated in May 2008. Since then the church has been open 24 hours a day as an invitation for “pilgrims from all around the world to immerse themselves in the spring of grace, mercy, and power” that is supposedly flowing from the image.

      This is pure blasphemy. The Ark of the Covenant was located in the Holy of Holies in the Old Testament tabernacle and was the place where God’s presence dwelt (Exodus 25:22). Angels do not worship creatures (Acts 14:11-15; Rev. 19:10).

      Roman Catholic churches are filled with idols. Mary is reverenced with far greater fervency than Jesus. Every “evangelical” or “Baptist” or “Protestant” who has said positive things about Rome and who has participated in ecumenical relations with Rome or who has failed even to lift his voice against Rome’s gross heresies will answer to God for the refusal to “earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude 3) and for keeping silence in the face of evil.


      The Roman Catholic Basilica of Mary, Queen of the Universe is located in Orlando, Florida, near Disney World. The basilica’s official brochure says it “emphasizes devotion to the Mother of God as one of the God-given gifts enabling us to reach that salvation for which Christ gave us His life on the cross.” Thus, according to this Catholic document Mary plays a role in salvation, which is a blasphemous lie. That Rome’s Mary is worshipped as queen of heaven is clear evidence that she is a Christianized pagan idol, for the only queen of heaven mentioned in the Bible is a goddess that the Jews were worshipping at the time of the destruction of the First Temple (Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-25). The ancient mother-goddess worship, which began at Babel and spread throughout the world, was baptized by the Roman Catholic Church as the Madonna-Child.

    • 7papa7

      Scripture is very clear that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. They construction in the Greek mean every single person. It does NOT leave out the Pope. A minimal knowledge of the Greek language makes this abundantly clear. That being said no sinner can be holy in their own right only when God the Father sees us through Christ and that only happens when we accept Him as our Savior.

  • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.


    Author: David Cloud

    Pietro Parolin, the Vatican's new Secretary of State, told a Venezuelan newspaper that the Catholic practice of enforced celibacy is a tradition rather than a dogma and can therefore "be discussed" and can be the subject of "modification" ("New Secretary of State Parolin on Celibacy," National Catholic Reporter, Sept. 11, 2013). The Second Lateran Council of 1139 ruled that priests are forbidden to marry. In a 2012 interview, Pope Francis (then Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio) said that celibacy "is a matter of discipline, not of faith; it can change" ("Is Pope Francis Open to Optional Celibacy?"National Catholic Reporter , Mar. 19, 2013). He added, "For the moment, I am in favor of maintaining celibacy." The Catholic Church has been loosening up on required "celibacy" for decades. It has done this by allowing non-priests to do some things once done only by priests, and it has done this by allowing married Anglican priests to convert to Romanism and retain their position as priests. Rome's "celibacy" has always been a scandal. Many books have documented the moral filth that has been part and parcel of the Catholic priesthood. In recent decades the Catholic Church in America has paid over a billion dollars to settle lawsuits brought as a result of child-molesting priests.

    • J R Johnson

      Celibacy is not imposed on all Catholic priests.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.
    • J R Johnson

      That website is full of hate and bitterness. Did you ever hear of "you catch more bees with honey". The Church came BEFORE the Bible. The Bible, as we know it today, didn't even exist until the 4th century. AND the canons of the Bible were approved by the pope of the time, Pope Damasus. Until then, there was NO Bible!!! And there were no Evengelicals until the 19th century, founded by man. Have you ever read all the Councils? You might really learn something, instead of spewing hate.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      Scripture Preservation
      Are the Scriptures just the "ideas" of God, or are they the very WORDS of God? You decide!

      God promises to preserve His words.....
      The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth,
      purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
      from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)

      You shall not addor take away, says God.....
      Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the
      judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live,
      and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your
      fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you,
      neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments
      of the LORD your God which I command you.
      (Deuteronomy 4:1-2)

      God cares about every one of His words.....
      Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
      Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)

      God's words will never pass away.....
      Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
      (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)

      God will cursethose who change His Word.....
      For I testify unto every man that heareththe words of the prophecy of this book,
      If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that
      are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book
      of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the
      holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19)

      This doesn't sound like God inspired only the "concepts" in Scripture.
      He clearly directed every word and will not tolerate man's meddling with it.
      He calls them "His Words."

      If your Bible is a King James Bible, it preserves God's words because it was translated
      using "formal equivalence." All other Bibles were translated using "dynamic equivalence,"
      in which the translator is free to change words as long as he conveys the "idea."

      Read the above Scriptures again. Which kind of Bible do you think God wants you to have?

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      Westcott and Hort

      Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1903) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) have been highly controversial figures in biblical history.

      On one side, their supporters have heralded them as great men of God, having greatly advanced the search for the original Greek text.

      On the other side, their opponents have leveled charges of heresy, infidelity, apostasy, and many others, claiming that they are guilty of wreaking great damage on the true text of Scripture.

      I have no desire to "sling mud" nor a desire to hide facts.

      I believe it is essential at this time that we examine what we know about these men and their theories concerning the text of the Bible.

      I long sought for copies of the books about their lives. These are The Life and Letters of Brooke Foss Westeott, by his son, Arthur, and The Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, written by his son.

      After literally months of trying, I was able to acquire copies of them both for study. Most of the material in this section will be directly from these sources so as to prevent it from being secondhand.

      We cannot blindly accept the finding of any scholar without investigating what his beliefs are concerning the Bible and its doctrines. Scholarship alone makes for an inadequate and dangerous authority, therefore we are forced to scrutinize these men's lives.

      A Monumental Switch

      Westcott and Hort were responsible for the greatest feat in textual criticism. They were responsible for replacing the Universal Text of the Authorized Version with the Local Text of Egypt and the Roman Catholic Church. Both Wescott and Hort were known to have resented the pre-eminence given to the Authorized Version and its underlying Greek Text. They had been deceived into believing that the Roman Catholic manuscripts, Vaticanus and Aleph, were better because they were "older." This they believed, even though Hort admitted that the Antiochian or Universal Text was equal in antiquity. "The fundamental text of the late extant Greek MSS generally is beyond all question identical with the dominant Antiochian or Graeco-Syrian Text of the second half of the Fourth Century."85

      Vicious Prejudice

      In spite of the fact that the readings of the Universal Text were found to be as old, or older, Westcott and Hort still sought to dislodge it from its place of high standing in biblical history. Hort occasionally let his emotions show, "I had no idea till the last few weeks of the importance of text, having read so little Greek Testament, and dragged on with the villainous Textus Receptus ... Think of the vile Textus Receptus leaning entirely on late MSS; it is a blessing there are such early ones."86

      Westcott and Hort built their own Greek text based primarily on a few uncial MSS of the Local Text. It has been stated earlier that these perverted MSS do not even agree among themselves. The ironic thing is that Westcott and Hort knew this when they formed their text!

      Burgon exposed Dr. Hort's confession, "Even Hort had occasion to notice an instance of the concordia discourse." Commenting on the four places in Mark's gospel (14:30, 68, 72, a, b) where the cock's crowing is mentioned said, "The confusion of attestation introduced by these several cross currents of change is so great that of the seven principal MSS, Aleph, A, B, C, D, L, no two have the same text in all four places."87

      A Shocking Revelation

      That these men should lend their influence to a family of MSS which have a history of attacking and diluting the major doctrines of the Bible, should not come as a surprise. Oddly enough, neither man believed that the Bible should be treated any differently than the writings of the lost histor-ians and philosophers!

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      QUESTION: Who were Westcott and Hort?

      ANSWER: Two unsaved Bible critics.

      EXPLANATION: Brook Foss Westcott (1825-1903) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) were two non-Christian Anglican ministers. Fully steeped in the Alexandrian philosophy that "there is no perfect Bible", they had a vicious distaste for the King James Bible and its Antiochian Greek text, the Textus Receptus. [The infidelity of Westcott and Hort is well documented in this author's work entitled AnUnderstandable History of the Bible, 1987, Bible Believer's Press, P.O. Box 1249, Pottstown, PA. 19464]

      It cannot be said that they believed that one could attain Heaven by either works or faith, since both believed that Heaven existed only in the mind of man.

      Westcott believed in and attempted to practice a form of Communism whose ultimate goal was communal living on college campus's which he called a "coenobium. "

      Both believed it possible to communicate with the dead and made many attempts to do just that through a society which they organized and entitled "The Ghostly Guild."

      Westcott accepted and promoted prayers for the dead. Both were admirers of Mary (Westcott going so far as to call his wife Sarah, "Mary"),and Hort was an admirer and proponent of Darwin and his theory of evolution.

      It is obvious to even a casual observer why they were well equipped to guide the Revision Committee of 1871-1881 away from God's Antiochian text and into the spell of Alexandria.

      They had compiled their own Greek text from Alexandrian manuscripts, which, though unpublished and inferior to the Textus Receptus, they secreted little by little to the Revision Committee. The result being a totally new Alexandrian English Bible instead of a "revision" of the Authorized Version as it was claimed to be.

      It has only been in recent years that scholars have examined their unbalanced theories concerning manuscript history and admitted that their agreements were weak to non-existent.

      Sadly, both men died having never known the joy and peace of claiming Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

    • Bobseeks

      Hate is what liberal vermin call the truth.

    • J R Johnson

      Oh really. Who gave you the authority to change the English language?

    • Bobseeks

      No one, but anyone who has read or watched the liberals for the last decade or so knows full well that liberals call truth hate speech. Your are truly the most ignorant poster I have run into to date. Were you abused by a sodomite priest? That might explain the irrational nature of your posts.

    • J R Johnson

      No...I was not abused by a priest. But because you bring up abuse I was, as a child, brutally beat and had vinegar poured down my throat by evangelicals, who hated Catholics. The Catholic Church rescued me. They fed and clothed me, and educated me. Sometimes I was beat so bad I had to wipe my own blood up. But I took it because of my beliefs. And I hope that every one of you g*****mn bible thumpers burn in the hottest part of hell for eternity!!! Your kind are destroying this country. And for your information I'm not a liberal nor am I ignorant. I'll match your college degrees anytime. (did you graduate from kindergarten?). And if the likes of you are what Christians are...I'd want nothing to do with it. You're proof that God did not create evferybody in his image and likeness. I was reared that God didn't create scum.

    • Daniel from TN

      The celibate priesthood is specifically forbidden in the Bible.

  • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.


    Author: David Cloud

    In an open letter to a newspaper editor, Pope Francis says that sincere atheists will be accepted by God. Writing to Eugenio Scalfari, founder of La Repubblica, the pope said: "You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don't believe and who don't seek the faith. I start by saying--and this is the fundamental thing--that God's mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience" ("Pope to Atheists: See You Upstairs,"National Post , Canada, Sept. 12, 2013). This statement made big news, but there is nothing here that evangelicals have not been saying for decades. In fact, this is yet another way in which Roman Catholics and evangelicals are "coming together." It is another aspect of the building of the end-time, one-world "church." The book More Than One Way, published in 1996 by Zondervan, offered "four views on salvation in a pluralistic world," and three of those views offer hope for those who do not personally trust in Jesus Christ. In his 2011 book Love Wins , "evangelical" Rob Bell taught that atheists can be saved without being born again. Richard Mouw, President of Fuller Theological Seminary, told USA Today that "Rob Bell's Love Wins is a fine book and that I basically agree with his theology" ("The Orthodoxy of Rob Bell," Christian Post , Mar. 20, 2011). For decades Billy Graham has been saying that it is possible for someone to be saved without personal faith in Jesus Christ, and there has been no outcry from evangelicalism, including from Graham's own denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention. In an interview with McCall's magazine, January 1978, entitled "I Can't Play God Any More," Graham said: "I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost--were going to hell--if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I no longer believe that. ... I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God--through nature, for instance--and plenty of other opportunities, therefore, of saying 'yes' to God." Graham repeated this sentiment in interviews in 1985, 1993, and 1997.

    • Puncher

      Billy Graham has only preached one way...Christ!

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      How many well-known preachers have copied Billy Graham* and also disbelieve in a literal hell? Almost all my college and seminary professors disbelieved. And I’m sure you know of more examples.


    • Puncher

      Thanks Ray -- I will research. And thank you for praying for Israel, as we must.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      While Graham has been a beacon of hope in spiritually turbulent
      times and a source of comfort and solace to many in times of tragedy (including the recent attack on the World Trade Center), we find that others have questioned his connection with the National and World
      Council of Churches, as well as the ecumenical movement.

      Using many of his own quotes, you will be able to find out about the
      other side of Billy Graham and find out about some things that have
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    • Bobseeks

      Obviously the pope is a liar.

    • Ray - Jesus is the Son of God.

      The ‘Twin Towers’ of the Vatican
      Issue Date: November/December 2013

      All false religions have to have props to focus their rituals. Roman Catholicism is no different. Their centerpiece is the wafer god, the “Eucharist.” The popes declare that ordained priests can hocus-pocus a simple wheat wafer into the actual “body, blood and divinity” of Jesus Christ. Faithful Catholics apparently just close their eyes (and suspend their reason) and “swallow” this bite of magic.

      Next to the wafer is the Virgin Mary goddess. By another imposition on the gullibility of the unthinking, the humble maiden chosen by the Holy Spirit to bring Jesus’ body to birth, has been transformed into an enduring pagan goddess born without sin, excused from death, (and purgatory), and able to twist Jesus’ arm to get forgiveness for the faithful.

      Legends are essential to the promotion of such deception. The dream of Don Bosco, founder of the Salesian Society, anchors one of these legends. In 1862, Bosco described “seeing” the Vatican ship of state plowing a hostile sea surrounded by attackers. The battle was not going well for the pope as he manned the helm. In fact, one pope was killed in the fray and was immediately replaced by another.


    • J R Johnson

      Take your Prozac and go to bed.

  • Jeffrey Grimes

    EXCUSE ME!? Never mind that we have a fascist Muslim asswipe running America into the ground, CAPITALISTS are tyrants!!!