Obama Executive Order: Americans Must Be Tested For HIV / AIDS


Barack Obama issued an executive order on July 16, 2013 titled "HIV Care Continuum Initiative" which he claims will be a national movement and federal involvement in the war on HIV/AIDS. According to the executive order, recommendations are that HIV testing be administered for "all individuals ages 15 to 65 years" and this will be overseen by the US Preventative Services Task Force, coordinating with, you guessed it, criminal Kathleen Sebelius' Department of Health and Human Services.

The exact language of the executive order reads:

"Based on these and other data, recommendations for HIV testing and treatment have changed. The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force now recommends that clinicians screen all individuals ages 15 to 65 years for HIV, and the Department of Health and Human Services Guidelines for Use of Antiretroviral Agents now recommends offering treatment to all adolescents and adults diagnosed with HIV."

This executive order will “coordinate Federal efforts in response to recent advances regarding how to prevent and treat HIV infection. The Initiative will support further integration of HIV prevention and care efforts; promote expansion of successful HIV testing and service delivery models; encourage innovative approaches to addressing barriers to accessing testing and treatment; and ensure that Federal resources are appropriately focused on implementing evidence-based interventions that improve outcomes along the HIV care continuum.”

By the way, under Obamacare, which seems to be imploding before it is even implemented with Democrats already calling for reform, this executive order says that "The Act is expanding access to recommended preventive services with no out-of-pocket costs, including HIV testing, and, beginning in 2014, insurance companies will not be able to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions, including HIV."

Susan Posel points out:

In 2010, the National HIV/AIDS Strategy For the United States (NHAS) was released with the goal of:

• Reducing HIV incidence
• Increasing access to care and optimizing health outcomes
• Reducing HIV-related health disparities

The Obama administration has taken pharmaceutical corporations and investors contributions as defining factors to create a "broad range of perspectives" on policy as directed from the Office of National AIDS Policy (ONAP).

ONAP is tasked with creating "a national strategy is a concise plan" that will become "a document that provides a roadmap for policymakers and the general public."

ONAP has taken steps within the public sector to facilitate "community discussions" in cities across the nation to formulate needs of those afflicted with HIV/AIDS; such as medical care and housing.

It's ironic that AIDS was originally labeled GRIDS (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome) and was predominantly occurring in the male homosexual community. Many in our society are embracing the homosexual community, even to the point where "Christians" are saying it's ok for them to get "married" because they aren't "hurting" anyone. Well look what the land of sexual deviancy has brought us; not only a deadly disease, but also mandatory testing.

Sebelius and Valerie Jarrett have issued a statement claiming they know what's best for Americans and that "scientific developments have advanced our understanding of how to best fight HIV" and "recent research also shows that an important benefit of earlier treatment is that it dramatically reduces the risk of HIV transmission to partners. Furthermore, HIV testing technology is faster, and more accurate than ever before, and HIV drug treatment is less toxic, and easier to administer."

These are the same people that continue to promote the very behavior that brought us AIDS in the first place. I find it incredibly hypocritical.

Michael Weinstein, president of AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF), said:

"Actions speak louder than words. We have had other grand announcements from the White House on AIDS that turned out to be empty words. If indeed the President has finally understood the importance of this issue and will proactively address our concerns, then we will applaud that effort, but not until then. We have wasted 4 1/2 years trying to educate this president about the tragedy that is AIDS in the world. The war against AIDS has not been won – keep your promise. Mr. President play a real leadership role here and abroad – your legacy depends on it."

Ms. Posel goes on to point out that "Somehow, the eugenics aspect of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, which directly correlates to its origin and would be useful in finding its cure is completely ignored by mainstream media, medical communities and even some members of the alternative media. In July 2008, the mainstream propaganda released an article admitting that, strangely enough, 'people of African descent are much more likely to have a genetic trait that makes them more susceptible to infection with the HIV virus.'"

"In 1962, the US Senate received a report concerning chemical and biological warfare," Posel writes. "This is the government contract where HIV-like and Ebola-like viruses were bio-engineered by the US military and the bioweapons contracting lab Biomedics. They were producing viral cancer in monkeys that could then be used through genetic engineering to infect humans."

Her conclusion makes absolute sense. "HIV/AIDS has been developed as a bio-weapon of mass depopulation capabilities, but now the global Elite are stepping up their intention with their research into the abilities of the human immune system. Specifics could result in a "vaccine" that would cause the human immune system to become ineffective. By claiming there is a pandemic, the global Elite could justify the need for mass immunizations. This would leave every person inoculated under threat of becoming deathly ill from even simple exposure to the common cold."

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  • Matt1972

    For decades, all of us in the military have had mandatory HIV testing every two years and now it's annually. And it's just routine now even though one does not take part in risky lifestyles. This is just another means of controlling the population. But let me ask this, what happens down the road? Are we facing similar mandatory testing for other diseases? How will this mandatory testing affect the medical community who has to process all these tests? They are already inundated, so they will just need to work harder and longer for the same pay? What happens when the government knows everything about us individually due to all these mandatory tests and then implements a government mandated quarentine, and sends the masses to camps? What then? SLIPPERY SLOPE WE ARE ON HERE. ALL BECAUSE THE KING CAN SEND OUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER!!!!

    • RAS0503

      "What happens when the government knows everything about us individually due to all these mandatory tests and then implements a government mandated quarentine, and sends the masses to camps?"
      They will call them treatment centers.

    • NoU4EN

      Anyone who is or has been in the military recently has been DNA'd. In hindsight, who knows what they shot into us when we were getting updated on our shots.

  • carolrhill814

    Is he out of his mind people should be able to make their own mind if they want to be tested I guess he changed his name to Hitler.

    • RAS0503

      Treatment should be optional also.
      I think the tests are an invasion to our privacy.

  • craig

    Don't get all stirred up ...not gonna happen ...it is just a recommendation.. unless you want to get tested....and like the article said whites are not prone to get HIV because we don't have the genetic trait to get it ...which basically means... most.. white men don't get wieners stuck in their butt.

  • stopthelawfare

    And once they know, you will be rounded up, for your protection of course, or to be given experimental treatment and "studied", ...didn't t his kind of thing happen in Germany once?

    • disgusted demacrat

      Hell stop. it's happen here. They blacks std's in the 30's..

  • PMM

    This is a just another trip into our privacy. I do not have HIV, but I would guess he wants another list to include anyone in the country that does have HIV. He just has to have every single bit of your personal (and should be private) information.

  • Sunshine49

    Has anyone bothered to consider what may be put into your body while they are testing you? Mark of the Beast anyone?

  • sgtshel

    Add another tons of billions of dollars to the national debt!! Obambe should be the first in line! I see a major mess up where HIV will spread throughout the population because of this lame-brain idea!

    • Sunshine49

      ONLY the white American population that isn't affected already! Of course Muslims will be exempt from this for one reason or another.

  • TPM4

    if you want to test me for aids better bring an a lot of people, I will not allow the gov't to test me without my permission and violate my constitutional rights

    • Al Chemist

      How do you know they're not doing it when they withdraw blood for any number of tests? It's always easy to withdraw a little extra. This administration is populated with a bunch of sneaky (bleeps). They would just have to have the cooperation of a few sneaky doctors and nurses.

  • p_INcorrect

    I will NEVER let this or any other government stick anything into me. THINK about the implications of this as it pertains to sexuality! What is says to young people with out ever having said anything! Obama IS the devil's instrament. Does it become a little clearer now how this undocumented usurper will lead us into a civil unrest that will fill the streets with (untested) blood?

  • popham

    Sometimes we wonder why Obama doen't simply issue one executive order that
    automatically and immediately acclaims him as emperor of America, with the power
    to do and say anything he wants. After all, isn't that his ultimate goal?
    Good luck, America.

  • Brian Hughes

    Good
    lord. In the first place, the executive order says "recommends", not
    "must". More importantly, the recommendation doesn't come from Odumbo,
    section 1 of the executive order is merely background and mentions that
    the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force made that recommendation. The
    U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, by the way, is an agency set up in
    1984, under Ronald Reagan. Sometimes I think some of these websites are
    really working for Obama - distracting people from the real issues and
    discrediting any criticism of the administration by harping on nonsense
    like this.

  • TA

    Let's see, what is the best way for a dictatorial government to eliminate some of their opposition? Test everyone for a disease! Of course the people you want to dispose of will test positive. Then they can be placed in hospital and their friends and neighbors will think it is best since they do not want to be around someone who may give them aids.

  • Joe

    The fastest Most effective barrier to HIV spreading to make gay sex unlawful again. Sorry to those that think this is insensitive but 95% of HIV infections are GAY MEN., and despite the Liberal Medias trying to mainstream this disease it is still primarily a Gay Mans Disease.

  • Black Scarab

    Who does the testing? Will they get our dNA for their humongous database they want? It's a ruse when VeeJayJay is writing any proposal. Add swan song fellow writer Napolitano (who's not welcome in AZ) and you'll have your answer. In the 80's it was determined that mandated draws were unconstitutional.

  • ladyhuckleberry

    K, does this include him as well?? He's sayin Americans ... Besides he's gotta know now that we all know about his lifestyle fore he hit Washington we expect him to set an example. He worms his way outa this what is he showin his daughters but more of his Holier than Thou attitude and surely he doesn't want em to be embarrassed anymore than what they already are, ya think? The time's come for him to report front and center.

  • petroskhan

    It's uses the word "recommends", not "requires". Okay, fine. I hear your recommendation, Mr. Obama. You can shove it up your rear end...a familiar feeling to you, I'm sure.

    Not my president, not my problem.

    • Brian Hughes

      Um, Skippy? The recommendation doesn't come from the president, but from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force - a group set up in 1984, under Ronald Reagan.

    • Sunshine49

      There were a lot of agencies that were created in the 1960s,70s and 80s that are being used against the people now. How about the Federal Reserve and the "direct" income tax on the people in 1913. Were they created to "help" the people?

      The road to hell is paved with "good" intentions!

    • petroskhan

      Executive Order -- HIV Care Continuum Initiative
      Dated July 15, 2013

      "The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force now recommends that clinicians
      screen all individuals ages 15 to 65 years for HIV, and the Department
      of Health and Human Services Guidelines for Use of Antiretroviral Agents
      now recommends offering treatment to all adolescents and adults
      diagnosed with HIV."

      THAT is what I was addressing. And that's MISTER Skippy, thank you very much. :P

    • Brian Hughes

      Um, great. That recommendation didn't come from Obama either, Skip, nor was it part of the executive order. It also appears in Section 1, labeled "Policy", the background for the orders which follow in later sections. But thanks for playing anyway.

      BTW, what, exactly, is your objection to offering treatment to anyone that has already been diagnosed? Other than your attempt to link it to Obama?

    • petroskhan

      So...the quote I cited from an Executive Order by Obama wasn't part of Obama's Executive Order? Right...okay.

      And my objection is that if someone engages in behavior that leads to him suffering the effects of his actions, why should my tax dollars pay for his treatment?

      Also, it's not Obama, friend...it's the government in general, really. I dislike the general direction in which the government has been headed for some time, and most likely will for years to come.

    • Brian Hughes

      If someone writes an order saying something like "Given the torrential rains in the Midwest that caused flooding along the Missouri river, I am ordering the Corps of Engineers to take the following actions to protect farmland along the river banks ...", the person writing the order is not ordering it to rain nor to flood. If you're not bright enough to understand the concept of background or policy information included in an order, I can't explain it any better. Unless you might have an adult nearby who can explain what the "imperative" mood means in English grammar, and the complete lack of it in the section you cited.

      But then, why am I wasting my time with a putz like you in the first place? "... if someone engages in behavior that leads to him suffering the effects
      of his actions, why should my tax dollars pay for his treatment?" Where do you go to church, petros? Say hello to the Phelps clan for me on Sunday.

    • petroskhan

      I am finding it so entertaining that there are so many people out there who demonstrate their own intellectual failings, leaving me with so little to do.

      Instead of discussing the matter like a mature, civilized adult, when confronted with dissension, due to the fact that your position is devoid of merit and untenable, you are forced to resort insults and personal attacks.

      "...not bright enough to understand.." "putz" "Say hello to the Phelps clan..."

      Really? That's necessary in the world you live in? Now, you're going to spout off with some tired cliche about how that's somehow something that I deserve by being whatever you imagine me to be. But let's be clear here. You don't know me. You don't know a thing about me. So trying to determine what I deserve to be called, or what sort of insults you have the right to hurl in your impotent frustration only demonstrates your shortcomings, not mine.

      When you're ready to actually discuss something like an adult, and not some logically impaired prepubescent brat, let me know. Or, alternately, explain to me why my statement about attempting to force me to be legally responsible for the consequences of actions indulged in by others, of which I disapprove, is so wrong.

    • Brian Hughes

      A simple "I can't answer anything you said so I'm going to throw out some big words and pseudo-intellectual bull**** and hope everyone thinks I'm really really smart" would have sufficed, Skippy.

      If you didn't keep repeating the same baseless argument, or if you had demonstrated the slightest indication that your reading comprehension and understanding of the English language gave you just a little clue as to why your argument was baseless, I probably wouldn't have mentioned how bright you were (or, I should say, weren't). As for the Phelps comment, if you believe nobody contracts HIV unless he or she "engages in behavior that leads to him suffering the effects of his actions", then you belong with the Phelps phools and I know all I need to know about you.

    • petroskhan

      And yours is basically, "Waah...I'm a whiny liberal child with no manners, maturity or tolerance for people who disagree with me."

      In short, typical of your ilk. Why don't you quit wasting my time and yours, and go "Occupy" something, or march in some sort of "Pride" parade, ok?

    • Brian Hughes

      Absolutely priceless, Skip. You rant about "You don't know me. You don't know a thing about me. So trying to determine what I deserve to be called, or what sort of insults you have the right to hurl in your impotent frustration only demonstrates your shortcomings", and then you A$$ume I'm a liberal, occupier, and/or gay. Just frikkin' brilliant. Had you seen my other posts to this thread, you'd know I am a lifelong conservative Republican, and my objection to spreading false propaganda such as this story only serves to distract from the almost limitless number of legitimate objections to this administration's policies. And also to discredit those who do have legitimate gripes, by making all conservatives look like the uneducated, uninformed, knee-jerk 'if it has Obama's name attached it MUST be horrible' buffoons that the libtards accuse us all of being - you know, buffoons like YOU.

    • petroskhan

      You want to rant about not reading posts, follow your own advice, pardner. I said clearly it's not BO, it's the government in general I don't trust.
      Look, I think we've both over-reacted. Let's start again.

      I'm against the government 'suggesting' anything to me. Seems like their suggestions turn into requirements too often.

      You're conservative? Great. Straight? More great.

      Back to the issue and no more of two men acting silly would be the greatest.

    • Esther

      Yet Brian, you gave Pet an up arrow when he CLAIMED Obama is not his president. Obama IS his president. Please remove the up arrow you gave him. Thank you for your time.

    • RonMar

      Could you please stop the convoluted mish-mash, stop trying to sound intelligent - we know you are not - and get to the point in 25 words or so.

    • petroskhan

      Ron, I was quite clear in my last post to you. Read it again.

    • Esther

      YOU supported him during the pre-election debates. Thus, he is your problem.

    • petroskhan

      Prove it.

    • RonMar

      She said it. She's a real Christian woman, a missionary who does not lie. That is proof.
      The burden is now on you to prove you did not "support [Obama] during the pre-election debates. You have shown me in your posts during the relatively brief time I have had the misfortune of knowing you online that you are:
      1. horribly confused,
      2. seldom post on topic,
      3. routinely make ad hominem attacks,
      4. pick on women, and
      5. mindlessly attack Christians, Christianity and denominations that you have chosen on your own as unsuitable that your behaviors are
      a. more like those of Obama,
      b. Islamic jihadists,
      c. other unbelievers in God,
      d. rather than your being a real Christian.
      You have dug yourself into a deep hole from which you don't seem to know how to recover although it would be so easy to do so. Ask and I will tell you how.
      You even persist in your bad behaviors trying to justify what you do by proof texting, tossing around Scripture pills and putting on a pretense of being holier than all others here or anywhere near you.
      Even with all of that your most annoying habit is your awful writing, stilted but wilted, mealy mouthed, boring, never quite saying what you really mean and taking way too much space here to say it.
      Enough of this off topic palaver, what do you "think," believe, imagine really about the subject at hand - Obama EO: Americans must be tested for HIV/AIDS?
      Do you object, approve, as usual have nothing intelligent or interesting to say on the subject?
      In case you care, I have no objection to it. I do not approve or disapprove of it. As an intelligent person I believe it is an okay idea as long as it is voluntary rather than mandatory, and I have many reasons for my opinion on the matter.
      Oh yes, and since it is an EO I know it does not really apply to me, has no force of law behind it. The USA is still, however barely, a nation of laws under the US Constitution properly passed by the US Congress, signed by a real president and ignored or judged eventually by the Supreme Court. Although Obama seems to imagine he is and acts so, Obama is not a dictator but rather a servant of We the People.

    • petroskhan

      There is only one part of your post which I feel like addressing.

      "She's a real Christian woman, a missionary who does not lie."
      She's a Mormon, Ron. Tell me how you square that with your alleged Catholicism. Use as many words as you like.

    • RonMar

      My "alleged Catholicism!?" Finally I see fully for the first time how out of it, how living on false assumptions and lies you tell yourself first that you really are.
      I must ask you whatever in the names of Mary, Joseph, Jesus, the Lord, God, Peter, Paul, Martin Luther made you imagine I am, have ever been or ever will be a Catholic?
      Sheesh! Some people!
      I am at a loss to understand why you have not won an Annual Darwin Award already. Oh well, it must be coming to you soon.
      Then your sad Judgment Day.
      Wow!
      Be brief please - 25 words or less. I may not be able to stand any more from you.

    • petroskhan

      So...you're a Mormon, then?

    • Esther

      I don't have to. The people who need/want to know need only look of the period of time I mentioned. Your comments are on disqus unless of course you have edited them. I think it's better if you are honest about it, go ahead admit it, and avoid such a statement to the contrary that you have made above.

    • petroskhan

      I don't edit my comments, except to correct typos.

      And yeah...you DO have to prove something you claim. I did say, just to be annoying, that I was going to vote for Obama, since you and another Mormon were being so abusive and insulting on Zionica. And I even said that I said that to be annoying, and that I had, in fact, not voted for either candidate.

      Now...how is that "supporting" that pustule in the White House?

    • Esther

      Thus, you are responsible for a Mus'lim brotherhood supporter in the WH, rather than a successful American business man. But never fear, we will survive you and Barack Obama due to the many successful businessmen like Romney and good American ingenuity which Romney personifies, and no he is not perfect, he is not Jesus Christ, he makes mistakes, but he loves this country, ... all of the success and survival of this nation having nothing to do with you or Barack Obama.

    • petroskhan

      So...tell me what you think about this:

      Since Romney is a Mormon, and he's only got one wife, he can't get into Heaven, right? I mean...Brigham Young (an honest to goodness PROPHET, right?) said that only those who practice polygamy will get into Heaven...so Romney's not making it, I assume?

    • Esther

      On topic: The point is Obama is your president. You destroyed any competitor he might have had. The evidence is online just prior to the election. And since you have NO respect for his competitors, I will not entertain your wish to destroy them.

    • petroskhan

      I don't have any respect for Romney, because I don't know the man. I have no respect for Obama, either. Don't know him, and from his politics, I don't want to know him.

      And how is answering a question about YOUR alleged faith going to "destroy" Romney? It's a simple question. One of YOUR prophets clearly stated that polygamy was a requirement for heavenly entry. Romney is NOT a polygamist. Does that mean that he isn't getting into Heaven?

    • Esther

      The stupidity meter, with regard to the U.S. Constitution on the subject of religion of worthy Americans, for you as per usual, is too way out in the red zone to merit sensible conversation.

    • petroskhan

      Your opinion, baseless and incoherent, is nonetheless noted. How about answering the question now? If you have one, that is.

    • RonMar

      Off topic, ad hominem attack on another poster.

    • petroskhan

      Just so we're on the same page, could you show me where in my post that you reference, I've made any sort of attack on Esther? I was responding to her rather insulting (ad hominem) comment, telling her simply that her opinion had been noted, and asking her to reply to a very simple question, which thus far she has failed to do.

      If you would call what I wrote a personal (insulting) attack, would you kindly tell me what her post was?

      So, to keep it simple, two questions:

      1 - What did I write that was insulting?

      2 - Do you feel that her comment was insulting?

    • RonMar

      You can't stop yourself from living in the long ago past and using splinter movement beliefs and practices not those of the mainstream to attack certain denominations, e.g., Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon - the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints - and Seventy-Day Adventist, and their Christian adherents.
      As I have told you many, many times by now that is not appropriate for a true Christian to do. It is like what Islamic jihadists, atheists and other godless do, and is certainly something to be avoided in public during these times when we are in a world war that Islamic jihadists started and a Culture War the atheists started.
      Since you cannot control your really bad behaviors it is obvious you are mentally and spiritually deficient. Someone else like the denominations is going to have to take adverse action against you to stop your attacks on them and their members.
      What other denominations and their members meet with your personal disapproval, that of the church of petroskham meeting in your home since you went unchurched? I'd like to know, really. You were so wrong in your assumption that I have ever been, am, or ever will be a Catholic it is obvious that your assumptions make you dangerous to yourself and others.
      That is like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and other recent Gollywood entertainers. Thus you need to be taken like them, evaluated and treated by psychiatrists, not released until well enough to be back in society if ever, and then only if you are under close community control to be sure you take your meds as prescribed and do not suffer a relapse.

    • petroskhan

      As I've told you before, when you demonstrate that you're capable of following Scripture, I might entertain the idea of actually listening to you. Until then, well...you're just barking and barking, little doggie.

      How about you man up for a change, and actually provide Scriptural answers to direct questions, which I've asked over and over? Too much for you to handle, Ron? Not enough knowledge of Scripture to back up your stands on issues? Or is it perhaps that Scripture disagrees with you, and you're well aware of it, so you avoid discussing things on a Scriptural basis, and rely instead on your incessant barking? News flash, Ron...it's not working. I don't buy anything you say, and give it all the consideration I give to any other yappy little puppy. You want to get my attention? You want me to listen to you? Refer to Scripture, show me where, in the Bible, your positions are substantiated. Otherwise, it's your opinion against the Word of God, and in that contest, you lose.

      I asked Esther a simple question, based on the tenets of HER faith. She's afraid to answer it, because she knows, as you do, that she CAN'T. If she says that Romney is going to Heaven without practicing polygamy, then Brigham Young was wrong, which means he wasn't a prophet. If she says that Romney ISN'T going to Heaven without practicing polygamy, then that means that polygamy is a requirement, and nearly every Mormon male on the planet is just wasting his time.

      My question stands, and it stands unanswered. Is Romney going to Heaven despite Brigham Young's assertion that polygamy is a requirement? Either answer the question, or butt out of the conversation.

    • Glen S

      "As I have told you many, many times by now that is not appropriate for a
      true Christian to do. It is like what Islamic jihadists, atheists and
      other godless do, and is certainly something to be avoided in public
      during these times when we are in a world war that Islamic jihadists
      started and a Culture War the atheists started. "

      Ronald, where was your indignation when your gal pal, Mary (a.k.a Esther) was bashing Calvinists?

    • RonMar

      So you lied just for fun. How very unchristian of you, further proof by you that you are not really a Christian.

    • petroskhan

      It's called sarcasm, Ronnie. Look it up.

      And when I need your opinion on what constitutes Christian behavior...well...I'll never need your opinion, actually.

    • RonMar

      You have known petroskham longer than I have. May the good Lord have mercy on you for having put up with him so long.
      Oh he and his weaker clone Glen Stevens like Scripture pills, so here is one for them - Matt. 17:17, cf., Mark 9:19 and Luke 9:41.
      (FYI, pet and Glen the more cf. there is the more solid a particular Scripture is, otherwise you might wind up playing with poisonous snakes and drinking poison.)

    • Esther

      It's a heavy cross to bear, knowing Petroskham, thanks for helping to bear the heavy burden, Colonel.

    • RonMar

      Oooh, you brought out the one of the Seven Dwarfs again with your praise :).

    • Esther

      Wonderful :)

    • RonMar

      Nice mouth, ye holier than all others. I suppose you kiss your woman, others, your momma, children - God forbid you have any - with that filthy mouth and so dirty thoughts. Do me a favor, Bible guy, go find in the Bible the Scriptures, make some pills of them and throw them at yourself, gulp them down past your dirty lips.
      Here's one to get you started: Matthew 15:11. Oh and more, open wide petroskham - Matthew 15:18

    • petroskhan

      Ron, I've tried to be polite to you. I've tried to reason with you. I've tried to direct you to Scripture. I've tried to get you to agree to be civil, and mature.
      Since you are determined to be nothing but foul, insulting, and evil, kindly keep your heathen thoughts to yourself. I have neither the need, interest nor desire to know what a godless devil-worshiper like you thinks on any subject.
      And when you demonstrate that you are capable of following Scripture yourself, then, and only then, will I even bother to look up anything you reference.

    • RonMar

      Your post above is a near perfect example of what I posted to you about the burden of proof being on you to prove your demand that Esther prove the obvious to you.

    • petroskhan

      If that post made any sense at all to you, you need more help than I thought.
      As I said...
      Keep your vitriolic hatred to yourself.

      Keep your blasphemies to yourself.

      Keep your Satanic ideologies to yourself.
      When you demonstrate an ability to follow Scripture, we can talk. Until then...

    • RonMar

      Your reading disability is your problem, not mine. You can get it fixed or not, your choice.
      As I have said repeatedly to you and others keep your attacks on Christians, Christianity and denominations you have selected to yourself, along with your trying to project onto others "your vitriolic hatred," "blasphemies," "Satanic ideologies" and lack of understanding of the Scriptures to yourself.
      Again those are your problems, not mine. You can stop showing them off here or anywhere else in public making a fool of yourself or not. It's your choice. If you like being known as a fool keep it up.
      This is not the time, however, for you, an alleged Christian to be doing what you are doing during the ongoing world war against Islamic jihadists and the Culture War of atheists against Christians and Christianity.
      Do you get it yet? Yes or no.

    • petroskhan

      I think that what YOU don't get is the scope of the war. Those who take stands, espousing doctrines NOT of the Bible, yet using the name of Christ, are just as much the enemies of God as the followers of Islam and atheism. The Bible is replete with warnings about false doctrines, and one would be a fool to accept as Christian anyone simply because he claims to be such.

      What YOU don't get:

      Joseph Smith, Mormon founder, claimed that God was once a man, and that men could become equal to God.

      Ellen White, founder and "prophet" of the SDA Church, taught many doctrines counter to the Bible's words.

      Pick a denomination that I've criticized, and I will show, FROM THE BIBLE, how they are not following the path to salvation. This is cause for concern, for true Christians, since we must adhere as closely as possible to the Word of God. Willfully practicing, teaching, and condoning false doctrines is the work of our Enemy. You think that the only enemy is the one in front of you, who's openly declared his enmity towards you, and you're blind to the one at your side, smiling in your face, with his knife pointed at your back.

      THAT is what you don't get.

    • Thomas Jefferson

      Is there any Christian denomination that you think does follow what the bible says?

    • petroskhan

      At the present time, I am unaware of any denomination (referring to the "major" ones) that adheres to the Bible fully.

      I'm not saying that there might not be small, non-denominational, churches that do so. It's just that I have not found one in my area, nor do any of the larger denominations (Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Jehovah's Witness, SDA, Mormon, etc) even come close.

    • Thomas Jefferson

      Do you think it is possible to fully adhere to following the bible? Do you think you do, for example? Or do you know anyone who does fully adhere to following the bible?

    • petroskhan

      Short answer, no. I don't think it's possible for anyone to adhere fully to the dictates of the Bible. But we are to try.

      I do the best I can, within my capabilities. It's a process of learning and growth that will likely never be finished, but the point is to try, and be willing to learn each day.

      As for knowing anyone who does...only one "man" ever did, about 2000 years ago. And He did give us a wonderful role model.

    • Marie

      No it is not, and you know why, http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/doctrine/catholic_church_admits_to_forger.htm because the people like Zagros wrote the evil parts to scare the people: You, are a damned fool: Actually you are loony tunes.

      .

    • Marie

      You are loony tunes.

    • RonMar

      With your filthy mouth and corrupted mind, get down off your high horse, pet, and try to be real.

    • petroskhan

      I have no "high horse" from which to dismount, Ron. That would be your job.

      I have told you, I bear you no ill will. I've cited a great many Scriptures for you, showing how and what I think. You've responded with derision, anger and insults. I've told you that I desire only peaceful, civil discourse. You continue to insult at every opportunity.

      I truly and deeply pity you, Ron. It must be very hard to live through each day filled with such anger and self-loathing that you must lash out at someone who holds out a hand to you, wishing nothing but peaceful discourse and brotherhood.

      I will be praying for you.

    • RonMar

      I am not surprised to see that you are horseless. We have done the dismount word game before where I told you your horse was dead, so you dismount.
      Yes, you have blathered a lot, tossed a lot of Scripture pills inappropriately. We've talked about that a lot too. Time for you to dismount that dead horse.
      Pity the fool - yourself - and stop trying to project your traits and behaviors onto me and others. It shows your insanity. Get it? Get it this time, please!
      Get this too please. You are free to hate all denominations you want, all adherents to them. You are not free to do it in public. It makes you look and act just like Islamic jihadists, atheists and other godless.
      My ministries include serving the Lord as a soldier in the Army of God in the Culture War and in witnessing Jesus the Christ to Muslims. I have not, do not and will not tolerate mindless attacks like yours on Christians, Christianity and your selected denominations.
      There is one way you can stop me from resisting you: Like the other godless, you stop your attacks!
      Keep your filthy hands away from me, your mouth too, and your prayers for yourself. I accept prayers only from Christians.

    • petroskhan

      "Yes, you have blathered a lot, tossed a lot of Scripture pills inappropriately. We've talked about that a lot too."

      No, Ron, YOU'VE talked a lot about it. You've never actually stepped up to the plate and PROVEN anything aside from your foul temper, though. You've never shown, even once, where I've misquoted or misapplied Scripture. You're a coward, Ron, and a liar. A real man, a real Christian, would either prove his allegations, or admit that he had erred. Since you're neither, you've done neither. No surprise there.

      "You are free to hate all denominations you want, all adherents to them. You are not free to do it in public. It makes you look and act just like Islamic jihadists, atheists and other godless."

      That's your opinion, Ron, which means nothing to me. Until and unless you can back up your mouth with Scripture, you're just spouting off endlessly, yapping away with your own delusional version of what is right and wrong. I've shown you from Scripture where we are to correct others, and point them to the truth of what the Bible says. You have a problem with that? Too bad...take it up with God. I've no interest in your opinion, only that of God. Show me where HE says not to reprove and correct others, and I'll desist. Otherwise, stop your barking, little puppy, I ain't listening.

      "I have not, do not and will not tolerate mindless attacks like yours on Christians, Christianity and your selected denominations."

      First off, puppy, mindless would be your rants. I've backed up everything I've said with Scripture. You back yours up with yourself and your own blasphemous opinions. Second off...LOL...you won't tolerate it? What are you going to do about it, Ron? Do tell us all what you're going to do!! Please.

      "Like the other godless, you stop your attacks!"

      First off...NO. Second...you want me to stop? Prove me wrong from Scripture. Demonstrate to me that we, as Christians, are NOT to use the Bible to correct the mistakes of others. Prove to me from Scripture that we are allow, endorse and encourage paganism as you so willfully do. Prove ANYTHING you've criticized me for, from Scripture, or stop your blasphemous, arrogant posturing.

      You're a pathetic excuse for a human being, Ron. And a humiliation to the term "Christian".

      And...do let us all know...what do YOU define as a "Christian"? Be as detailed as possible, if you don't mind. And while you're at it, I couldn't help but notice that you never answered my question as to whether or not you're a Mormon.

    • RonMar

      "Foul temper?" LOL. You said I have a "foul temper" after all of your fussing and cussing, obscene comments to paint vile, disgusting images. LOL.
      Your posts show you to be a really funny, crazy person. LOL.
      Every time you have quoted Scripture you have misapplied it, in fact, blasphemed against the Word of God. That is understandable because you are not, as evidenced by your posts, a real Christian, not trained, educated, and a person who left the SDA Church and local church piqued because the church celebrated the birth of Jesus the Christ - Christmas = Christ Mass, and His resurrection - Easter. LOL.
      And now you meet as the church of petroskham in your house. LOL.
      Sure I am "a coward" with:
      1. 21 years active duty US military service,
      2. 4 years in the Southeast Asia War to the removal of Communist Cuban surrogates of Communist Russia from Grenada as they were trying to establish another Cuba in the Caribbean area, and
      3. many relatively minor fracases in between, including
      4. deployment to the Republic of Korea - South Korea - when the Communist North Koreans, Chinese and Soviet Union combined to capture the USS Pueblo on the high seas, I stayed on alert in South Korea for 5 months, then
      5. the next year when the same worthies shot down a US Navy EC-121 that had taken over the mission of the USS Pueblo,
      6. patrolling along the DMZ between South and North Korea day and night, taking and returning gunfire, never getting hit while some with me did, and some of us took out the North Korean attackers with accurate rifle fire, and later while completing 38 years total in US Armed Forces uniform and since,
      7. witnessing Jesus as the Christ to Muslims in their traditional homelands, here in their masjids/mosques, Islamic societies, etc.,
      8. on 14 relatively long term trips to the Middle East, getting ready right now to return in the fall,
      9. living for a period of time with the Bedouin in their desert camp, traveling alone in a rental car in the West Bank of Israel and along the borders with Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and into Egypt and Jordan more than once as a missionary for the Lord,
      10. jumping out of airplanes, SCUBA diving, desert trekking,
      11. flying combat missions over hostile territory over a large part of the world,
      12. blah, blah, blah and ending up with 2 missing body parts - thank God none ever visible or vital,
      13. permanent combat-connected disability but still fully capable of doing all the above and doing it from time to time currently, plus
      14. some missions I still cannot share due to their classified as national secrets status, and
      15. earning along the way 2 Bronze Stars with V for valor in individual combat action and a Vietnam Cross of Gallantry, and
      16. the mutual respect of those with whom I served in the military and since as a missionary, including respect of real Christians, Druze, Jews, Muslims and others in the Middle East, other parts of the world and here too.
      Sure, I am a coward.
      Sure, you have such a provable track record too, and are a true Internet hero and Christian willing to call me a coward and liar. I could go on petroskham, but no, you disgust me so I am about to puke.
      I define a Christian as one who has accepted the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ as personal savior by the grace of God on faith, and one who then does essentially WORDS, as in the WORDS of God as backed up by more Scriptures than you may not grasp in the rest of your hate-filled, miserable, evil live.
      WORDS means Worship, Outreach - evangelism, Relationship - Christians to Christians, Discipleship - daily quiet time praying, reading Scripture with understanding and discernment of the Holy Spirit, more prayer, thought and prayer, all the time being quiet except for praying, relaxed, most often listening to good music, and Service - extending help to those less fortunate.
      Surely you can find the Scriptures to support every letter of WORDS. Yes, no, either way GFY - F=Forgive - and KMA.
      Try petroskham to keep your mind clean and understand what I mean by KMA.
      I am not a Catholic, never have been, never expect to be. You were wrong about that and have not yet answered why you falsely assumed I was. I am also not a Mormon, never have been and do not expect to be so.
      Tell me now please to you WTS or WTF, try to keep your dirty mind clean, does it really matter to you? I am a Pro-testant Christian, saved from my sins by the grace of God due to my faith in Jesus the Christ as my personal Saviour.
      All of your palaver is only garbage. The real Red Baron, WWI German Ace, not the comics Snoopy dog said that or something like it. His message was you win, live or die based on your ability and willingness to see, understand and do the right thing or not.
      How are you doing?

    • petroskhan

      Oh, do tell, show me some quotes of my "fussing and cussing, obscene comments..." Unless you're getting mine confused with yours, that is.

      "Every time you have quoted Scripture you have misapplied it, in fact, blasphemed against the Word of God." Please prove that, if you do NOTHING ELSE, prove that!

      "...you are not, as evidenced by your posts, a real Christian, not trained, educated, and a person who left the SDA Church and local church piqued because the church celebrated the birth of Jesus the Christ - Christmas = Christ Mass, and His resurrection - Easter."

      I'm not trained or educated, you say...and yet you refuse to actually discuss ANYTHING relating to the Bible with me. You run and hide behind your unChristian, pompous, self-aggrandizing, spouting off your grandiose opinion of yourself, rather than actually debate a single Bible topic with someone you CLAIM has no knowledge. Why the fear then, Ron? Why the hiding and dodging?

      I don't care how long you claim to have served. I don't care where you claim to have served. I could claim to be a former astronaut, Prime Minister of England, or King of Siam. But we all know how much you think of yourself, Ron. We all know your deep respect and reverence for Ron The Remarkable, Defender of the Faith, and Hero of His Own Mind. We get it. How about you consult the verses I sent you about humility? THAT might be a good start for someone so in love with him self that he can't abide criticism. I'm not saying that to be mean, or strike back, Ron. It's an observation of friendship and love. You spend way too much talking about yourself, and how much you think of yourself, for a Christian who should be humble, and think more of others than himself.

      And yes, I left a church due them condoning, tolerating and practicing paganism, Ron. If you were as educated and righteous as you claim to be, you would know that the Bible tells us very plainly, in several places, to NOT partake of pagan festivals and customs, to not even inquire about them. Where do you think Christmas and Easter come from, Ron? The Catholic Church, like the whore that it is, adopted those pagan festivals, tried to slap a coat of "Christian" paint on them, and tarted them up as the birth and death of Christ to attract more pagan followers. Seems to have worked really well with the less devout and less sincere...why are you following those pagan customs, Ron?

      So, you can keep on talking about how I left the church "piqued"...I left the church happy, brother, and proud of my decision. What, in matters of faith, do YOU have to proud of? Spreading false doctrines, paganism, hypocrisy and blasphemy? Great work, Ron. Great work.

      "I define a Christian as one who has accepted the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ as personal savior by the grace of God on faith, and one who then does essentially WORDS, as in the WORDS of God as backed up by more Scriptures than you may not grasp in the rest of your hate-filled, miserable, evil live."

      First, that should be "life", not "live". Typo, I guess.
      And, since you CLAIM (with no proof thus far evident), that you believe your stand to be "backed up by more Scriptures..." why is it you never actually quote Scripture to prove your points, nor do you ever address the Scriptures I've quoted to you to demonstrate where you're wrong? Why do you never actually substantiate your allegations regarding my "misuse" of Scripture?

      "I am not a Catholic, never have been, never expect to be. You were wrong about that and have not yet answered why you falsely assumed I was. I am also not a Mormon, never have been and do not expect to be so. "

      Why did I assume you were a Catholic? I didn't. I was answering your post, and another person's, and got my wires crossed. Sorry about that. You see, I can actually admit when I'm wrong, or when I've made a mistake. By the way, if referring to you as a Catholic even accidentally was insulting to you, I do apologize for that.

      So, since you've stated that you're a Protestant (or Pro-testant, if you wish), I do hope you will answer this question, then. Esther, whom you defend with such diligent ardor, is a Mormon. Mormons believe that all other religions, YOURS INCLUDED, are false.

      They believe that all other religions have/had fallen into apostasy, and that only they are on the right track. Do you agree with that? If so, why are you not a Mormon? If not, why defend Mormonism?

      Do you agree with them that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and their successors were prophets? If not, then why defend a religion which follows the teachings of false prophets? If you agree that they were prophets, then why are you not a Mormon?

      "All of your palaver is only garbage."

      Really? Then it should be a fairly simple matter to demonstrate where I'm wrong, using your exhaustive and extensive knowledge of the Bible...unless you can't, of course. I have stated, time and again, that I base my faith on what's in the Bible, and you, without discussing a single topic with me, have called me everything that pops into that angry head of yours. WHY? What are you so afraid of, Ron? I really want to know. I would love to know why, when I quote Scripture, you claim I'm misusing or misapplying it, but never demonstrate how, or even address the Scriptures I've cited. You flatly ignore them, and pretend that I've never quoted them. I want to know why you criticize, without supporting your criticism with anything more than insults.

      And again, I extend the same offer as before to you. Let's pick a topic, and discuss it like rational, mature, civilized adults. Then, and only then, will anything constructive be accomplished.

      "Tell me now please to you WTS or WTF, try to keep your dirty mind clean, does it really matter to you? I am a Pro-testant Christian, saved from my sins by the grace of God due to my faith in Jesus the Christ as my personal Saviour."

      WTS - Why This Should ?

      WTF - Whatever Thy Faith ?

      LOL...my mind is plenty clean, but thanks for the cautionary admonition. And it matters very little of what faith or denomination you are, Ron. I was curious, and I thank you very much for answering. I would toss out there one thing that you left out, though. Sins are forgiven based on faith, as you stated...once one repents of the sinful behavior.

      "The real Red Baron, WWI German Ace, not the comics Snoopy dog said that or something like it. His message was you win, live or die based on your ability and willingness to see, understand and do the right thing or not.
      How are you doing?"

      The quote to which you might be referring is:

      "The duty of the fighter pilot is to patrol his area of the
      sky, and shoot down any enemy fighters in that area. Anything else is rubbish."

      He was quite the man, von Richthofen, and that is a good quote of his; my favorite, however, is this one:

      "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last
      drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."

      And that is how I approach everything in life, most especially matters of faith. So, I would answer you that I'm doing just fine. You see, I can support everything I say about religious matters with Scripture, and always in context, rather than "cherry picking" as so many do. I can, and do, demonstrate to others the reasons for my faith, and the Scripture which backs it up, just like the Bible tells us to do in 1 Peter 3:15. Should anyone, you included, ask me to support or prove something I've stated, I can, have and will show clear Scripture to support my position.

      How about you, Ron?

      I would really like to set aside and stop this pointless bickering. I would really like to have a meaningful, civil conversation with you on a Bible topic of YOUR choosing. It would be more beneficial to both of us, and would demonstrate to others that people who disagree, and call themselves Christians, can actually have civil conversations without attempting to start a Holy War.

      I'm holding out my hand here, Ron. It's an open hand, extended in friendship and good will. I ask you to take some time to calmly consider what I'm asking before typing away in anger, to denigrate or refute for the sole point of refuting. I'm asking you to help me get both of us on track, and be better men than we have been thus far. Let's talk, like two Christians SHOULD talk.

      Your call.

    • RonMar

      Please stop posting your off topic, ad hominem, childish name calling, repetitive, boring posts to me trying to defame my character while succeeding only in defaming yours and making yourself look like a fool on worldwide-available, public sites.
      I am fed up with you and your attacks on me, other Christians, Christianity and the denominations you have selected to attack.
      I have posted to you more than enough Scripture to show you are wrong in your behaviors, plus logical, clearly stated reasons why you should not be doing in public what you are doing in this time of the Culture War attack on Christians, and the world war in which we are involved declared on the world by Islamic jihadists.
      What is defined "as a "'Christian'" is stated clearly in the Bible. I have posted some of those Scriptures to you also.
      I did answer you about your false assumptions that I was, am or will likely ever be a Catholic or Mormon.
      That you cannot read with understanding, you reject the Scriptures, twist them to your own evil purposes or some combination of the foregoing is your problem. I cannot help you with it. I have suggested you go to someone local to you that you trust in ministry. That will be a big step for you toward solving your problem.
      Meanwhile, I don't ever want to see another post to me or about me from you. You are in fact putting my life and ministries in jeopardy. One way of the other I will stop it by legal means. I promise you that. So cease and desist, please. Govern yourself accordingly.

    • petroskhan

      "...worldwide-available, public sites..." It's called the "internet"; you seem to really like that phrase...but you're over-using it, and sounding rather silly.

      "I have posted some of those Scriptures to you also."

      No, you haven't.

      "That you cannot read with understanding, you reject the Scriptures, twist them to your own evil purposes or some combination of the foregoing is your problem."

      And yet, when challenged, you cannot demonstrate a single example of my misunderstanding or twisting of Scripture. That is rather telling.

      As for this "culture war" to which you refer, Ron, YOU are one of the enemies of Christianity, with your paganism, blasphemy, and endorsement of false prophets and false religions. All true Christians need to avoid people like you if they value their salvation. You are the enemy, and you are serving Satan with your lukewarm tolerance for false doctrines, and teaching such nonsensical, anti-Biblical doctrines.

      "I have posted to you more than enough Scripture to show you are wrong in your behaviors..."

      No, you've posted no such thing, despite my many challenges to you to do so. Either you're suffering from dementia, or you're a pathological liar. I leave it to you to choose which dysfunction suits your ego better.

      "Meanwhile, I don't ever want to see another post to me or about me from you."

      Then stay off the internet. I have a right, called Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of the Press. I can say and write whatever I choose. You don't like it? Too bad. I haven't liked a single insulting, blasphemous post you're scribbled yet. But, unlike you, I have the courage to face your accusations, prove how wrong you are, and cite Scripture to back up what I say. Your ignorance of Scripture and your inherent fear of course prevent you from taking similar action.

      "You are in fact putting my life and ministries in jeopardy."

      Quite the drama queen, aren't you? Prove the first half. I demand it. I insist on it. Show how me calling you out on your blasphemous paganism endangers you in any way. And if it jeopardizes your ministries, GOOD. People like you need to be stopped, and shown to be the pompous, irascible, lying phonies that you are.

      "One way of the other I will stop it by legal means."

      Oh, please; again with this nonsense? Three words for you, you pompous blowhard: BRING. IT. ON. I dare you. I challenge you. Bring it on, or SHUT UP with your stupid and childish threats of legal action. For my part, I will be contacting the moderator of this board the next time you threaten me with legal action for speaking my mind and the truth about you.

      "So cease and desist, please."

      I have a simple response to that. Make me. Don't bark orders at me that you can't enforce. And I don't take requests from people like you. So...no.

      "Govern yourself accordingly."

      I've asked you time and again to be polite, and to engage in civil discourse. You've refused, and been as rude and pompous as humanly possible, and repeatedly thrown out childish threats of legal action. "Govern myself accordingly"? Okay...I'll be rude and uncivil, and threaten you with pointless and stupid things...how's that?

      XOXO

    • RonMar

      Okay, you ask for it, I will honor your request. I'll try this again, then if not successful I will take other routes available to me to stop you from committing Internet guidelines, civil and criminal violations against me and others, actually jeopardizing my life.

      To Freedom Outpost and Disqus managers and moderators:

      Please delete petroskhan's posts to me and block him from making any future posts to me or others.
      He persists in posting off topic, ad hominem attacks against me and others.
      He has tried to defame my character and that of other posters
      He has actually jeopardized my life and my ministries, especially in witnessing Jesus as the Christ to Muslims here and in their traditional homelands.
      I am planning right now for my 15th trip in the fall to the Middle East for relatively long-term stays to witness Jesus to Muslims there. I do so this year with some concerns never present before but they are now due to petroskhan's persistent attacks on me.
      If you are unable or unwilling to stop him from his dangerous behaviors I will have no choice other than to seek relief by other legal means available to me.
      I do have freedoms and rights to freedom of speech, religion, self defense and full use of the US Constitution and its following body of laws to protect myself from him, any and all who aid, abet, support and enable him. So also do other posters, Christians, Christianity, and denominations that he has chosen to attack since he left a Church denomination and a local church to hold meetings in his own home under no church authority.
      As Freedom Outpost, please help us preserve our freedoms and rights and protect our lives in the current Culture War and attacks by Islamic jihadists against all but Muslims.

    • Esther

      Thank you.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Why should he? You continue to post your off topic, ad hominem, childish name calling, repetitive, boring posts to others trying to defame others while succeeding only in defaming you and making yourself look like a fool on worldwide-available, public sites.

    • Esther

      Jeff Dixon, you and your Petroskham are so sweet. The Catholic profile you concocted and portrayed for him was right up his alley, since he loves to make fun of people also, http://zionica.com/2013/07/26/christian-fined-for-refusing-to-photograph-same-sex-wedding/#comment-982199494 but for me it points to something Ron once said about you as an altar boy, not in a Catholic Church, but one of the Reformed Protestant sects. But really it did not seem funny as you indicate it is for Catholics. You are of course on a Presbyterian, perhaps Calvinist site so you must be careful not to offend the ruling classes. Though it's okay for you it seems where Catholics are concerned. In fact, unlike the Founding fathers, you seem to be a monarchist, not unlike Bighoss and of course your infanticidal Madam Rogers in spite of your claims to the contrary. However, of course you think that is ad hominem... but have no problem with revealing others when you see fit. Only when other people do it, is it distasteful to you especially when it involves your friend, Petroskham.

      The point is you "lack ethics in civil discourse." Where have I heard that one? (a rhetorical question) You are so pompous to say "I maintain that Christians think they are above the law simply because they hold that in practicing their religion, there can be absolutely nothing they are required to do." http://zionica.com/2013/07/26/christian-fined-for-refusing-to-photograph-same-sex-wedding/#comment-981996311 That's a good laugh. Like the ones they tell in your Churches of Atheism. Actually, I know of no Christian above the law. Yet, you can libel at your leisure having made clear your superiority. Of course Petroskham is your pet because you allow him to believe he has the upper hand on me and now by extension to a man who respects and defends women. Pathetic.

      Here's a quote from below: "You can shove it up your rear end...a familiar feeling to you, I'm sure." said Petroskham, a post to this very topic: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/barack-obama-executive-order-americans-must-be-tested-for-hiv-aids/#comment-968192969 Tim Brown, Liberty Outpost Contributor 073113. Please tell me why your friend Petroskham needs a scripture "for proof" to know the utter depravity of his constant filthy babbling.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      We are simply two people engaged in a civil debate with each other. I realize you have no idea how to engage in a civil debate, but we all have our own burdens to bear.
      Petro can defend his own comments. If you have an issue with him, take it up with him.

    • Esther

      Lol ... simply two people engaged in a civil debate? Tell that to Wordmahn.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      He would be a third person. Do you comprehend math?

    • Esther

      Wordmahn understands you very well. Yes, I comprehend that adding a third person, in this case one who understands you, in terms of solutions, is like adding a third parameter in a math equation whereby doing so increases the complexity of a solution by at least a magnitude. That rather small but significant number shouldn't be a problem for you. After all, you claim to understand the universe with its infinite number of parameters. Ask Key to verify that one.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Key has nothing to do with this.
      It would be like my asking that you ask Petro to verify something.
      A third person is not just a third parameter. It is an additional parameter. A parameter that was not part of the original issue. I appreciate you continuing to show you do not understand math or science, Ms pretends to be a scientist. .

    • RonMar

      0 Jeff Dixon + 0 Thomas Jefferson = 0 = 1 pathetic weakling, sorry excuse for a man who cannot stop attacking a good Christian woman = 1 useless, miserable, in pain, lost, suffering piece of toilet flotsam, "alter" boy x 1000.

    • Esther

      I agree he must be in pain, lost, suffering, sir. The rest sounds a bit like a Gosnell production. Pretty horrible image really.

    • Esther

      Four and counting. Your complications are getting greater as we speak.

    • Esther

      Yep. Key has a lot to do with knowing the cross I carry, having to deal with you, atheist.

      Here is another support for me against your jealousy that I have earned an upper level degree beyond yours, and you have the nerve to say that I need to share it with you in spite of your demeaning of everything sacred, and your blatant degradation of the American experience, the very same as "racially motivated bullying" indicated in the article:

      Foxman: Internet a Super Highway for Hate

      The Internet is a "super highway" for bigots and racially motivated bullying, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abe Foxman, said in an exclusive interview with Newsmax TV.

      The co-author of the new book "Viral Hate: Containing its Spread on the Internet," said that the Internet has become a vehicle of racist attacks partly due to its inherently anonymous nature.

      Foxman said many good things have come out of the Internet, but it has a dark underbelly, it's a "super highway for bigots," he said.

      Foxman added that while there is no easy solution, one step would be to work with Internet providers to help stamp out the abuse.

      http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/foxman-internet-racial-hate/2013/07/31/id/518059?s=al&promo_code=14606-1

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Right, which is why we see Key voicing support for you pretty much never. Keep in mind that Key does not consider Mormons to be Christians. His support of you is basically zero.
      So, my attack on you is the same as racially motivated attacks? Hmm, odd, since the only reason I attack you is because you started a campaign of lying about me. I did not attack you before you starting lying about me, princess. You lied about your involvement with our conversations, you lied about me being gay plus, whatever that idiotic expression is supposed to mean and you lied about my molesting the friends of my daughter. All you have ever done is lie about me since I unfriended you on Facebook.

    • Esther

      Really, you and Petroskam are very cozy. I think my noticing that is what's got you so upset, Princess Jeff.

      And you do as so many atheists do, like Hitler, a closet atheist, likes to cozy up to Christians, including the Jehovas Witness, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Mormons, the Presbyterians, especially the Calvinists, and other brands of Christianity. You are the typical atheist trying to fit in... and you have succeeded to some extent because you tow the line just like any good little altar (or is it altered) boy. I do recall you making fun of the Catholic ones with your Petroskham. http://zionica.com/2013/07/26/christian-fined-for-refusing-to-photograph-same-sex-wedding/#comment-982199494

      Go ahead peddle your filth some more. It is expected of you.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      No, it is just your lies.

    • Esther

      In your dreams.
      It's what I know about you.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      You know so little, it is absurd. My dreams have never been about you.

    • Esther

      You are dreaming if you think your atheism is strong enough to overcome Jesus Christ. .

    • RonMar

      Obviously you have no idea how idiotic you look accusing someone else by saying, "it is just your lies." LOL.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      You think I like to cozy up to the Jehovah Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Mormons, the Presbyterians, especially the Calvinists, and other brands of Christianity.
      That is probably the most asinine thing you have ever posted.

    • Esther

      I forgot to say Mus'lims and Hin'di'go (!) also. You do it every day from dawn to dusk. You love God and all his religious sects. You live and breathe it.

      Here is a nice quote from a religious man on the topic of you:

      "So, I'll ask one more time, and if you still want to talk about straw men, I'll leave you alone. So, for the 3rd or 4th time, what are YOU talking about when you say "fair"? How are we to know if a given action is fair or unfair? And, if you DO answer, who decided that whatever rule or principle you provide, is the correct one? If you don't answer, I conclude that ,"That's not fair," is just your way of saying that you don't personally approve of something. Which, I'm pretty sure, is about what it means anyway." ~ Wordmahn 8/2/13

      LOL

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Yep, he asked that. And I answered him too. So, lol yourself.

    • RonMar

      It is an accurate observation. You are the "most asinine thing."

    • RonMar

      Key can answer for himself and Esther can ask him as you suggested on both counts in the case of petroskham. Consistency in your illogical blatherings is not a quality ever present in any of your silly posts. That reveals some of your mental malfunctioning and disabilities.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Yes, Key can answer for himself. As Petro has done many times. You know, I really have come to enjoy your ranting. It is so idiotic, on so many levels, that it helps to show what a loon you really are. So, I want to thank you.

    • RonMar

      LOL. You are imitating my posts to you again, and in your case trying again to project your traits and behaviors onto me, a sure sign of your insanity. You are showing yourself as a loon. So there is not need to thank me. You are doing it to yourself all by yourself.

    • Esther

      Female approach to car maintenance

      Take ten seconds to laugh out loud:

      Okay, so someone told her that her car needed a quart of oil and she complied!

      http://i.imgur.com/gpALGIH.gif

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      You know what is interesting? Every word you wrote is a normal word. But when you try to put them into a sentence, suddenly, nothing makes sense. You really need some help with your sentence structure.

    • RonMar

      Sure, expert writer, now tell me how much you have earned in your miserable lifetime as a professional writer and editor. LOL. Then we can compare earnings as a professional writer and editor.
      Please tell me if you have ever been right in your crappy life about anything. I seriously doubt it. You have never been right in anything I have ever seen you post.
      Now, all of that has to make sense even to you. LOL.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Jesse Jackson is an author and has amassed a personal fortune. He is also almost incoherent when he speaks. Tim Conway, Jr. does a game show on him every week called "What the H-ll did Jesse Jackson Say?"

      That you have been successful as an author does not mean you write well.

      I am sure you will not be able to understand any of that.

    • Esther

      "rhetorical rope-a-dope" ~ Wordmahn

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Very good. You can cut and paste. You should get a gold star.

    • RonMar

      You should try to grow up and get a life.

    • RonMar

      I posted to you: "tell me how much you have earned in your miserable lifetime as a professional writer and editor. LOL. Then we can compare earnings as a professional writer and editor.
      Please tell me if you have ever been right in your crappy life about anything. I seriously doubt it. You have never been right in anything I have ever seen you post. Now, all of that has to make sense even to you. LOL."
      Please show that you read and understood my post by replying to it, e.g., answer my specific questions and comments. Otherwise you have failed massively yet again with your petulant, childish response. LOL.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Hmm, have I ever been right? Well, I am right that Esther is lying. I am right that you are a boring and nonsensical poster. I was right that I told you my Christian son was hit was a car while riding a bike. (Which you wrongly denied I ever told you until I shoved the post in your face) I was right that Romney was going to lose since he would not be more aggressive. Your precious Esther stated it was better to lose than to change who he was. Do you think it is better that Romney lost? I don't. I have an MBA in Business. I must have gotten more right than wrong to earn my degree. You know, a real degree, unlike the theological BS that you majored in.
      You want me to post my earnings? Um, no, it is none of your business. You would also do your normal crap of stating whatever I posted is a lie. Sorry, not to going to play that boring game.
      Your posts speak for themselves on how pathetic your command of the English language is.

    • RonMar

      No, you have never been right and are not likely ever to be after your "alter" boy experience.
      You have never proven that Esther or anyone else but you has lied, liar. Your half-vast opinions about me, other people and things are only that and do not matter one whit as I have told you many times.
      So you're starting up with your one son again, avoiding talking about your other son, invalid father or teen daughter.
      I do not recall being involved in any conversation with you about Romney, and do not care if I was. You are clueless about why Romney did not win. You have been told why many times, but you deny it as you deny there is a God.
      "MBA in Business," LOL. Not in Administration or Business Administration, LOL. BTW, they're a dime a dozen. Military people on active duty in combat even got those in their spare time and still do. LOL.
      "Theological BS that [I] majored in?" FYI, I did not major in "theological BS." You made another false assumption and one of your typically nasty remarks about a Christian and Christianity. FYI, I:
      - did a bachelor's degree in communication,
      - went into the US Armed Forces,
      - after two years of initial training did in eight weeks 10 hours of graduate credit in a special Armed Forces course in communication and foreign cultures at a little school in Boston, MA, in preparation for going to Southeast Asia for a few years,
      - then did a master's in counseling psychology from a prestigious school in the northeast US, and taught there,
      - grad work at a prestigious CA school in aerospace systems management/human factors engineering, developing advanced aviation technology for pilots,
      - retired from the Armed Forces,
      - then attended a seven-year seminary and finished it in four years, all of the advanced educational pursuits while working full-time, with a family and completing many other courses, e.g., in leadership and management, international relations, military and international law, nuclear disaster preparedness, etc.
      Your MBA is impressive to you. I see and understand how you feel so accomplished by that remarkable achievement for you.
      I didn't ask you to post your meager earnings. This is what I said: "Sure, expert writer, now tell me how much you have earned in your miserable lifetime as a professional writer and editor. LOL. Then we can compare earnings as a professional writer and editor."
      Please get someone who can read to read and explain that to you.
      Yeah, sure, Jeffie, my "command of the English language" is "pathetic," but obviously far better than yours. LOL.

    • Jeff Dixon

      I do not have two sons, you old coot. I have just the one. Your ability to understand what you read worsens every day.
      Why did Romney lose? Because the Christian right would not vote for a Mormon. Those are you brethren, not mine. Romney got my vote. So, we are stuck with Obama. You want to complain about a group, complain against the people you think know what is best for America. Thanks to them, we get Obama for a second term. Now you hope that Obama gets impeached, but if the Christian right had voted intelligently, we would not even have to bother with that.
      Actually, MBA's are not dime a dozen. Only around 5-6% of the US population has achieved that level of education. And it is a real education in statistics, economics, accounting and marketing, unlike your useless studies at a seminary, where they teach you that 3 is 1 and I is 3, as long as you believe it hard enough.
      Where they teach you that eight people can gather two of every animal on the planet and keep them all alive on an ark for close to a year. Zoos cannot accomplish that with vets and modern medicine.
      You believe nonsense and it shows every time you post your drivel.

    • Esther

      You supported Madam Mary Rogers and Bighoss just weeks before the presidential election while they actively agitated against those who questioned Benghazi and the infanticide of Barack Obama. You said NOTHING against your Pet who actively spoke up against Romney, many, many times.

      You are a liberal pretending to be a conservative of the United States Constitution.

      Btw, you have a second son... you have adopted Pet, no?

    • Jeff Dixon

      Hmm, yet I posted on my blog about Benghazi and why Obama should be held accountable for that. I have also stated I am against infanticide.
      I have debated Petro many times over many issues, so that absurd comment also has no foundation.
      Nope, Petro is a grown man, fully capable of taking care of himself and handling loons like you and your Colonel Ron.
      If you ever made any comment that had any factual basis to it, ---, well, you never make comments with any factual basis, so there is no need to speculate.

    • Esther

      You vehemently supported those who supported your man Obama and his platform on Benghazi and infanticide.

      The liberals: Madam Mary Rogers, Bighoss, and your Petroskhan were supported by you weeks before up until the presidential election.

    • Jeff Dixon

      Repeating the same nonsense over and over again will not suddenly make it true, no matter how much you hope that it will.

    • Esther

      Be gone Satan, in the Holy Name of Jesus the Messiah.

    • Jeff Dixon

      Praying to non-existent deities does not work either.

    • Esther

      Be gone Satan, in the Holy Name of Jesus the Messiah..

    • RonMar

      I really enjoyed seeing your "reading" of the Bible on Zionica as your other user name, the childish made up one, Thomas Jefferson. I post it here for your convenience and for other readers:
      "Matthew 17
      '17 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.'
      "How could Moses and Elijah be talking with Jesus if they were not real? If it was not actually those two people, then whatever they said to Jesus was just an imaginary conversation.
      "God in the bible is said to not lie. But if Moses and Elijah were not there, then the conversation would not be real. Therefore, god would be presenting a lie."
      A relatively minor matter, first you got the verse numbering wrong. More important you misrepresented what the reporter, Matthew, said happened, in part because you stopped too early in the Scripture passage.
      Moses and Elijah were real, so real that Peter offered to erect shelters for them. The conversation was not imaginary. Moses and Elijah were there, obviously. The conversation was real. God nor the Bible lied. You lied, as usual, first to yourself.
      Also, in regard to your atheist criticism as Thomas Jefferson or Jeff Dixon that the Bible is contradictory, the passage in Matthew is confirmed in Mark 9:2-8 and Luke 9:28-36. You accept what you see and hear in news media but reject God and what you see and read in the Bible. Your mental back flips, worming and squirming, leaving out critical parts of the Bible and its passages to blaspheme God are astoundingly childish.
      I feel sorry for you and at the same time am amused to the point of laughing out loud at you. I also thank you for revealing in these news threads how the head of an atheist works so badly. LOL. You do come across as a useful idiot in your posts.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      As usual, you read without comprehension. Petro was asked how the vision is not real. That was his claim.

    • Esther

      You are an atheist. You are not a Christian. You read with selective, twisted motive, so you have no authority on the Word of God to say what it is Ron or anyone comprehends. The point is atheists cannot read a book which requires prayer and contemplation to Our Father in heaven in order to understand His Word. Your comprehension as you show daily on Zionica and other common internet sites is thus, zero. Because you are an atheist, your work is a dead end.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      I did not state that Ron did not understand the bible verse. He said that I was wrong in asserting that the vision was not real. I did not assert that. Petro asserted that. Ron was incorrect about what he read, just as you are incorrect about what you just posted. Which you would grasp if you could read with any sort of comprehension.
      However, you do your standard blunder and start with your bias about me. For someone who claims to be so well educated, it is amazing how incapable you are in demonstrating that education.

    • Esther

      Edit in brackets: My assessment [of you] goes unaltered. My standing in the academic world does not need your uneducated, un-American, atheist commentary.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      I am sure it is not. Which just goes to show that you do not comprehend what you read.

    • Esther

      Once again, Humpty, my assessment of you goes unaltered. My standing in the academic world does not need your uneducated, un-American, atheist commentary.

    • Esther

      LOL: Understatement if the year:

      Jeff Dixon replied to petroskhan

      I appreciate that. I make enough mistakes of my own, as well.

      08/03/13 10:29 AM

      Christian Fined for Refusing to Photograph Same-Sex Wedding
      ============

      It is just too sweet to see you two together.

    • RonMar

      I did not say you were "wrong in asserting that the vision was not real." The only places you will find that quote in any attempt you make to prove I said that is in your post claiming falsely that I said it, and above in pointing out that you have lied yet again in your never-ending attempts to discredit Christians and Christianity.
      My post dealt with your claim that "god would be presenting a lie." I said specifically: "God nor the Bible lied. You lied, as usual, first to yourself.
      "Also, in regard to your atheist criticism as Thomas Jefferson or Jeff Dixon that the Bible is contradictory, the passage in Matthew is confirmed in Mark 9:2-8 and Luke 9:28-36. You accept what you see and hear in news media but reject God and what you see and read in the Bible. Your mental back flips, worming and squirming, leaving out critical parts of the Bible and its passages to blaspheme God are astoundingly childish.
      "I feel sorry for you and at the same time am amused to the point of laughing out loud at you. I also thank you for revealing in these news threads how the head of an atheist works so badly. LOL. You do come across as a useful idiot in your posts."
      Re: the rest of your silly, present post -
      "I was [not] incorrect about what [I] read," nor is Esther "incorrect about what [she] posted." It is ludicrous for you to continue attacking Christians and Christianity, and specific Christians, especially so to say the things you say about her, e.g., "which you would grasp if you could read with any sort of comprehension."
      Everyone with a brain functioning above your reptilian level who reads your posts sees readily and understands how ridiculous you are to keep attacking a person who holds a Ph.D. in chemistry in the ways that you do.
      Come on, try to think, to reason logically and not be such a stupid-looking and -acting jerk. No one can earn a Ph.D. who cannot "read with ... comprehension." You don't have a Ph.D., not any two advanced degrees. So you are living proof of what I just said, and you show your petty, childish jealousy of the accomplishments of others in your posts.
      You are the one who does "your standard blunder and start with your bias about [other posters]." Thus, you are trying to project your behaviors onto others again, showing your insanity again.
      I urge you again, please get the psychiatric help you so desperately need.
      In your present state "it is amazing how incapable you are in [not recognizing that you are] demonstrating that" you are a danger to yourself and others like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and other recent entertainment drug addicts, heavy drinkers and poorly-educated and -acculturated people.
      You really do need to be taken, evaluated and treated by psychiatrists before you harm yourself anymore and others, and not be released back into society until you are "well." And then only under close community control to be sure you take your meds as prescribed to be sure you do not suffer a relapse.
      I hold Christian love and care for you, and really have your best interests and those of your family and acquaintances in mind.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Um, yes you did. This is what you posted.

      "Moses and Elijah were real, so real that Peter offered to erect shelters for them. The conversation was not imaginary. Moses and Elijah were there, obviously. The conversation was real. The conversation was real. God nor the Bible lied. You lied, as usual, first to yourself."
      You are pointing out that the conversation was real. That is exactly what I told Petro. I said that if the conversation was not real, then god lied.
      You completely misunderstood what I posted. Nothing new there, but, it is humorous that you continue to show that you did not comprehend at all what was being discussed.

    • RonMar

      You're wrong again, bar rag breath. I read your post with perfect comprehension. I did not read petroskham's post.
      It does not matter either. You took off with Matthew 17 and made all of the errors I pointed out to you that you made. You have the reading with comprehension problem, not me.
      Instead of showing petroskham wrong, you compounded his errors by adding multiple errors of your own in your wild desire to prove there is no God, that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong.
      Let's see if you can read this with comprehension and understand what a tiny minority group you have chosen for yourself and how it is declining:
      Global Study: Atheists in Decline, Only 1.8% of World Population by 2020 | CNS News

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      I comprehend that you post your usual nonsense. Your biased report does not align with what other sources report.
      Author and noted biopsychologist Nigel Barber has completed a new study that shows Atheism is most prevalent in developed countries, and, according to his projections, religion will completely disappear by 2041. His findings are discussed in his new book “Why Atheism Will Replace Religion.” A new study that clarifies his earlier research will be published in August. His findings focus on studying trends within countries around the world and the fact that “Atheists are heavily concentrated in economically developed countries”-

      http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/religion-to-disappear-by-2041-claims-new-study/

      The number of atheists worldwide increased by 3 percent in the same time period that the number who said they were religious dropped off by 9 percent. France and Switzerland led the way among countries that saw the biggest drop in those that see themselves as religious as both countries had decreases of 21 percent between 2005 and 2012.

      http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/poor-people-more-religious-rich-people-and-china-has-most-atheists-according-study#

    • RonMar

      It is not my report. Nigel Barber is an atheist advocate like you; thus not a person to be trusted in any way about any thing.
      His report is highly biased and anti-intuitive.
      FYI and his two religions are growing rapidly worldwide and will not be stopped, not even by other religions in case of the predicted final war between Christians/Catholics and Islamists.
      The Jesus the Christ will return and good will prevail over evil as it always has.
      You can worm and squirm all you want, but you cannot stop the inevitable.

    • RonMar

      Barber is an atheist advocate like you. Nothing he or any of you say has any credibility at all.

    • Esther

      Madam Rogers and Bighoss.
      My, my, you have a short memory.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      No, I have a very good memory. And I have started saving conversations. I realized that deleting everything on facebook was not a good idea. For example, here is part of an e-mail that you sent me where you stated you present a false persona on Zionica. This was after you started attacking me, fyi.

      "i have no intention to continue arguments with a man I have a deep respect for in spite of the public persona I present in zionica."
      Why would you need to present a false persona on Zionica?
      So, between the two of us, you are the one who states they are not being honest. Which is of little surprise, since you are the only one not being honest.

    • Esther

      ""And you've been ducking and weaving ever since." ~ said Wordmahn to you.

    • Esther

      That statement I made respecting you, since YOU now use it against me, should be made public, so others who judge me know that my statement was connected to YOUR paranoia of KentPerry. Go ahead read/publish for everyone the entire email I sent to you which included that quote on respect to you, not something I wished to share with folks on Zionica or anyone for that matter, my private life, which you have made public is not of interest to anyone but you like to present it as sordid.

      LOL. Gee, why did KentPerry feel that way about you? Now I can make a true educated guess. But since you have not mentioned that he showed up at your house to "bash your face in," I suppose you are/were wrong about him. Striking similarity to your treatment of RonMar, for whom you have shown considerable disdain, same as you did for KentPerry. hmmmmm.... you do like bashing those who protect your freedom.

      I would love to hear what goes on in your work-place. I have not a shadow of a doubt whatever is said, it is detrimental to the United States, as you compliment your foreign employers excessively while you degrade good Americans. That is what you take to your house every night and we have to get it so you can release it to make yourself feel good. For one who so projects a feeling of confidence in ridiculing Americans you are likely rather, a pariah, the lowest of caste systems of as I am sure you are perceived by your Asian employers and thus, have learned to place others beneath you, a learned response from them, a petty tyrant. If ever you remember you are an American, perhaps you can be saved, but I hold little hope for that miracle, as I see you as a person contrarily bent on this country's destruction.

      In the very least, you do not deserve respect, much less the accolades I gave you, which you now use against me.

      You are a twister of words ... it is how you operate. I no longer recommend you for anything. Go ahead. I don't expect you to care. Show more of your baseless, un-American, atheist ignorance.

    • RonMar

      Grow up, be a man, and post the part where you made the criminal request to her. Oh, never mind. The evidence is at hand. No problem. Big problem for you, putz. LOL.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      So, you consider posting lies to be manly? What am I asking? Of course you do.

    • RonMar

      No, and I didn't say that. Your reading disability and dislike of Christians and Christianity have made you look like a fool again on a worldwide-available, public site.
      Based on your posts you must be using a lot of illegal drugs and drinking a lot here lately. Your usually poor quality posts, really going to stupid, have gotten much worse.
      I am so bored with you again, I'm going to take another break from you for awhile. I'll be monitoring to see if you post something else so stupid I can't resist pointing it out to you and others.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Please do keep posting. Your inability to comprehend what you read is quite amusing.
      You stated you would take a break a week or so ago and that lasted about a day, so I am sure your compulsion to post more nonsense will continue to occur.

    • RonMar

      Of course I don't little boy.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Of course you do. You post your lies and you support Esther's.

    • RonMar

      You are the liar little boy, pathologically, habitually, proven so, the perpetual attacker of Christians and Christianity, off topic, trying to defame and only defaming yourself as if your character can be defamed, and trying to project your traits and behaviors onto others constantly - sure signs of your insanity.
      Calling me a liar, saying Esther I lie are more of your lies.
      I feel so sorry for you, but not near enough so not to do my best, whatever it takes legally to shut you up and down from posting anywhere, about anything, anytime except on your blog that hungers for attention.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Hmm, well, let us see. You claimed that you were not banned from Zionica and that you asked to be blocked because the site was not Christian enough or some other nonsense.

      But this is what you posted about the situation.

      RonMar • 10 days ago

      Thanks for the really good news.
      I have found your site to be the place for real Christians as opposed to some other sites online who claim to be Christian and to support the God-given freedoms and rights affirmed in the US Constitution. Some of those others have shown themselves not to be Christian at all and not supporting our God-given freedoms and rights either.
      A current case in point is the so-called Liberty Alliance and some of its sites, e.g., ClashDaily, ConservativeByte, and Zionica - a site claiming to be Christian but is not since it has shown favoritism to atheists, false Christians and other godless
      people. By the work of one person people are banned or blocked from those sites with no reason given, then they do not respond to polite inquiries about the banning and blocking.

      You state that people are blocked with no reason given and that they do not respond to polite inquiries.
      Yet, your stance on the issue has been that you have e-mails that show that you asked to blocked.
      Just another example of the lies that you post.

    • Esther

      In the name of Jesus Christ, be gone Satan.

    • Esther

      Key supports me in my struggle to be a good Christian woman, just as he supports you to be a good Christian man.

    • Jeff Dixon

      Never have been a Christian man and never will be, so his efforts are in vain. In fact, if I ever claim to be a Christian man, you can assume I have developed Alzheimer's.
      You, a good Christian woman? rotflmao
      If people knew what we discussed on Facebook, the idea of you being a good Christian woman would be laughed at all day long.

    • Esther

      That is beside the point that you are a hopeless case... Key does not give up.

      You are a hopeless case. I don't give up either.

      Be gone Satanic one.

    • Esther

      The plan of atheism with their religion of evolution:

      Survival of the fittest... means it is ok to kill infants as they are born .... also:

      =============================================

      Jeff Dixon • 5 minutes ago

      If we cannot legislate morality, common sense or plain old decency, why do we bother passing laws against murder, theft or sex in the public square?

      http://zionica.com/2013/08/02/secular-group-attacks-college-dorm-with-values-oriented-twist/#comment-990138087

      ===============================================

    • Jeff Dixon

      It is like reading the posts of a five year old.

    • Esther

      I am speaking to Satan. Be gone Satan, in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ, (Why do you keep answering, little Jeffrey?)

    • Jeff Dixon

      Because you are responding to my posts. If and when I see a post from someone named Satan that you respond to, I will let you two battle it out.

    • Esther

      Look in the mirror little Jeffrey. Be gone Satan. In the name of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

    • Jeff Dixon

      Many religious people have absurd delusional beliefs. You are no different.

    • Esther

      Be gone Satan. In the Holy Name of Jesus Christ the Messiah.

    • Jeff Dixon

      And some, like you, are tediously dull.

    • RonMar

      First, to be on topic, I do wonder why petroskham so fears being tested for HIV/AIDS or other STDs.
      Great job of defending Christians and Christianity against the attacks of atheists, fake Christians and other Godless including Islamic jihadists in the Culture War the atheists have waged for centuries, and the war the Islamic jihadists declared on the world, again, in the mid-1970s.
      Those two are so lacking in experience, education, civility, decency, good morals and intelligence they consistently make fools of themselves on worldwide-available, public sites and can't stop themselves from doing it even after it has been pointed out to them many times.
      They will be judged harshly both here in US criminal and civil courts and on their Judgment Day before the Supreme Judge - Jesus the Christ-Messiah-Savior that one has rejected and the other blasphemes most notably.
      I offer a few tweaks in your excellent counter to their foolishness in online posts:
      - JD's aka TJ's testimony online is that he served as an "alter" boy in a Methodist Church while attending with his mother.
      - The UMC is a Pro-testant church in the style of Martin Luther, but not one of the Calvinist Reform movement. It is rather a church on the lines of John Wesley who did not favor the Reform movement for many reasons.
      - The UMC has outed itself in recent years by appointing practicing homosexual perverts, both men and women, to positions as pastors and other leadership. Thus the UMC has abandoned the Bible and God in its beliefs and practices. What a shame for a church denomination that started so well and had so much influence in educating the less fortunate, establishing
      schools and many other good things in its early history.
      Fortunately the great majority of local Methodist churches do not follow the UMC in these and other practices. Most individual Methodists are good people and true, faithful Christians.
      - JD/TJ has little-no understanding of absurdum ad hominem Most often shortened to ad hominem it is a logical fallacy and is so well defined in many dictionaries and other sources with such good examples that even an altered boy like JD/TJ should be able to understand it and know my use of it is exactly as it is defined and used by others.
      Logic, reasoning ability and intelligence are high on the list of JD's/TJ's many problems that have led him to be an obnoxious atheist.
      - I agree with you that Christians are certainly not above the law, but we do answer to a higher law - God's law - over the contrived laws of mere humans.
      - petroskham's babbling is not only depraved and filthy, it
      is blasphemous in his misuse of God's Holy Word as Scripture pills proof texted in his convoluted attempts to belittle and harm others in his attacks on Christians, Christianity and certain denominations he has selected to try discrediting as an unchurched person by choice, with zero authority, working in his home.
      - In that way the efforts of both these sad cases are the work of Satan and aids, abets and supports all Godless including atheists and Islamic jihadists. They will pay some day for their sins against the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ and Holy Spirit, and petroskham should at least know and acknowledge that.

    • Esther

      I know that their stance is ultimately un-American, as they see their little ploy as just a game to be played as a side bar entertainment in their day-to-day existence. I think they all missed boot camp. Thank you for the compliment, sir.

      Secondly, I have read and reread your story posted by Tim Brown 02/22/2013. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/military-veteran-says-obama-is-greatest-threat-to-america-world-since-wwii/ Thank you for your contribution to liberty. Its time we take your caveats seriously.

    • RonMar

      Imitation [let alone plagiarism] is said to be the greatest compliment. Thank you for your effusive praise, but it really is not necessary. LOL.

    • Glen S

      I particularly enjoy the vain, repetitive, childish, irrational, unfounded threats of legal action.

    • RonMar

      Imitation [let alone plagiarism] is said to be the highest compliment. Thank you for your lavish praise of my work. LOL.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      You really do not grasp sarcasm, do you?

    • Esther

      Petroskham doesn't have high horses, Colonel. He likes rainbow horses.

    • Glen S

      These sorts of childish remarks are unbecoming of an individual with your purported education and reputation.

    • RonMar

      What are you implying now but afraid to say in your off topic, ad hominem attack again on a good, Christian woman? Glen Stevens you are awful, and your behaviors are going to cost you an awful lot, young man.

    • Glen S

      I'm not implying anything you old fool. I'm coming out and saying it. You are an old fool and Mary is an immature little girl dressed in a Ph.D.

      Is that clear enough for your foggy brain?

    • Guest

      I'm not implying anything, but let me spell it out for you since your powers of comprehension are so dull.

      You, Ronald, are an old fool; and Mary is a childish puppy dressed in a Ph.D.

      Is that clear enough for your dull skills of comprehension?

    • Esther

      Glen S always pretends he knows me like he knows Ms Ross or any of his targets. He thinks the way he functions is typically the way people function. He doesn't realize what he seems to be to me. She really fooled him. I did not intend to do so, but I have really fooled him also. Lol.

    • RonMar

      If I were petroskham - thank God I am not, not even close - I might say something like, he is a horse's @$$ and likes other horse's @$$#$ like you know who. I won't mention any names here but their initials are Jeff Dixon, Thomas Jefferson, Glen Stevens and Ted Slater. That happy little crew is a real piece of work.
      They want the playing field tilted in their favor because they know they are so weak and cannot compete on a level playing field.
      It is ironic that sites called Liberty Alliance and Zionica, etc., who claim to be all about Constitutional freedoms and rights, Christian and Conservative do not support our God given Liberties, freedoms or rights, and in fact do not come across at all as Conservative, Christian or in favor of personal Liberties for all.
      I hope that is a reflection of Slater and not the top management.
      If it is top management policy and practice we are dealing with a major fake and scam on those sites like Zionica and maybe a few others in that Alliance.

    • Esther

      Another cake from Petroskham.

    • petroskhan

      That offer extends to you as well, Esther. I truly wish only to discuss things in a friendly and mature fashion.

      I do have criticisms of your chosen faith, but don't you also have criticisms of mine? Seems like we're about even on that score, right?

      I can accept your criticism, and would welcome discussing that in a mature and polite way. I'm open to the possibility of being wrong, and if shown such by Scripture will gladly admit it. That's MY answer to your disagreeing with me. In short, "You disagree? Fine, let's talk about that."

      Your answer to the fact that I disagree with you is to become inordinately hostile, insult me and refuse to actually discuss anything. I don't see this as being very productive, nor is it very Christian. I would welcome some fresh air, Esther. I would love to actually discuss a topic with you (any topic) in a constructive and adult manner.

      As I've told Ron, I'm holding out my hand in friendship to you, asking you to help us both do better than we have in the past. It's me asking, but it's up to you.

      Your call.

    • Esther

      You are far from trustworthy..

    • petroskhan

      LOL
      That's because you don't know me, of course. Nor do I know you. Trust is built, trust is earned.

      How about we give each other the chance to earn that trust?

    • RonMar

      Oh holier than all others, you certainly reveal yourself from time to time when you lose your temper and post words painting obscene images of someone you do not like.

    • petroskhan

      Yeah, well...at least I have to get angry to lose control and behave in an unChristian fashion. But it's par for the course with you, isn't it?

  • Larry Eaton

    Why doesn't he sign an executive order requiring all presidents and their press secretaries be subjected to truth serum?

  • Lucius Snow

    Idiot....truly....an idiot!

  • guestimate

    AZT stops DNA replication needed for tissue repair. So it stops AIDS but kills you by cell attrition. Dr. Duesenberg said on Tony Brown Journal a decade ago, that AIDS is a combinational illness of poor nutrition, parasites and often, recreational drug toxicity. But let's say your blood-work comes back as positive, the conventional treatment will kill you over time. That's a perfect opportunity to give you some other Baxter laced vaccine. Some AIDS patients stay healthy by eating a diet high in plant-based essential oils (see vinegar of the 4 thieves) and then there's ozone, and colloidal silver.

  • ladyhuckleberry

    Now I know the Fearless One's lost his marbles and had em replaced with ball bearins. Makin it an Executive Order to be tested, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can think of folks who haven't been exposed who'd love to tell him where to take hi Executive Order. Why not make it an Executive Order for P-losi to have plastic surgery to that mug of her's?? I get the chills every time I look at her. She reminds me of the Wicked Witch out of the Wizard of Oz.