Obama: We Want Your Doctor To Ask You About Your Guns

Imagine entering your doctor's office and during your visit he looks at you and says, "Before you go, I'm required by the Federal government to ask you what kind of guns you own and how many." Would you think that was completely inappropriate and completely none of his business? Well, as part of Barack Obama's sweeping 23 executive actions and orders that he signed today in an attempt to deal with gun violence, number 16 on the list may raise both privacy and legal concerns. It seems the Obama administration wants your doctor to ask about your guns for the express purpose of reporting that information to the Federal government.

According to number 16 on the list of directives:

Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

What? You mean you didn't know there was a form of gun legislation contained in the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)? Well, there is. In fact, you can educate yourself a bit by reading this article on it.

A fact sheet provided by the White House elaborates on this particular executive action: “Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence.”

The fact sheet continues, “Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.

“Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes," the fact sheet continues, "and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions."

“The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms,” reads the fact sheet.

Well, it appears that not only did Barack Obama and the Democrats not know what was in Obamacare when they passed it, but now that it has been out for quite a while they don't seem to know what it says. The portion of the tyrannical health care law in question reads:

‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—[As added by section 10101(e)(2)]
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(d) REGULATIONS.—Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Secretary shall promulgate regulations that provide criteria for determining whether a reimbursement structure is described in subsection (a).
‘‘(e) STUDY AND REPORT.—Not later than 180 days after the date on which regulations are promulgated under subsection (c), the Government Accountability Office shall review such regulations and conduct a study and submit to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives a report regarding the impact the activities under this section have had on the quality and cost of health care.

I would imagine that the Obama administration will try and tell us that not one word of this applies to doctors, but only to government employees. This is how I can see them attempting to get around this.

It was the National Rifle Association that sought to have this provision put into the bill via Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. NRA officials say they requested the provision out of concern that insurance companies could use such data to raise premiums on gun owners. The measure’s supporters in the Senate say they did not intend to interfere with the work of doctors or researchers.

Newsmax reports,

A federal judge in July issued a permanent injunction against enforcement of a Florida law that would have prohibited doctors from asking patients about gun ownership in many instances, saying the prohibition impinged on doctors’ First Amendment right to speak with their patients about gun safety.

The law would have allowed physicians to ask about guns if it seemed relevant to a patient's medical care or safety — for example, if a patient was severely depressed or experiencing violence in the home.

Six other states — Alabama, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and West Virginia — have considered similar legislation in recent years.

According to Kaiser Health News, the 2010 healthcare reform bill doesn't prevent doctors from asking about guns, but it does prohibit insurers, employers, and the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services from asking about gun ownership in many instances, and it prohibits HHS from collecting such data.

Did you catch that? Obamacare keeps everyone except doctors from reporting this. You can rest assure the Obama administration will seek to "close the loophole" on that quickly and demand that doctors ask about your firearms and report that information to the Federal government, once they "determine" they can. As far as I'm concerned you can tell your doctor to jump in the lake if he asks you about your firearms. It's none of his or the administration's business.

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47 thoughts on “Obama: We Want Your Doctor To Ask You About Your Guns

  1. disqus_DYs7w3ZVq0 says:


  2. disqus_DYs7w3ZVq0 says:

    kill obama

  3. Public_Citizen says:

    Doctor asks that kind of question you should carefully explain that it is an impertinent question and that as a polite person you ignore impertinent questions.
    If the doctor asks again your response should be that it would appear that you [the doctor] failed your etiquette class.

  4. socialisimmustgo says:

    Common sense should tell you there is nothing wrong with lying to anyone who intends to interfere with your life liberty or pursuit of happiness .......if a Doctor puts that hat on just tell him no no guns don't need them god protects me. The government lies to us and there will be some liberal socialist doctors out there who try to assert their agendas with this mechanisims but it doen't mean you have to jump into their traps........

  5. socialisimmustgo says:

    i for one am glad the NRA lobbied for the legislation it prevents maintaining data bases or insurance increases ( not that i have any medical insurance or want it but i could see insurance companies profiling on homeowner insurance also ) i am afraid this story could be misperceieved by many as is what seems happening ......as far as the DHSS that department is complete SOCIALISTS and you should steer completely away from all their paths .........this is the path that they make people dependants and take control over their lives and violate all your constitutional rights ......they violated the fouth amendment at my house without probable cause when i was caring for my alzheimer mother as her legal guardian . Some day all these government dependant sheople will wake up and realize the government entrapped them and by the time they do it will be to late for them to do squat about it.......i repeat steer completely clear DHSS uses your county public administrater to confiscate your life and your property THEY ARE HUGE COMMUNIST SOCIALISTS THAT YOU WILL NEVER GET A FAIR DEAL FROM RUN AWAY AND NEVER SIGN ANY OF THEIR DOCUMENTS ...........AND LET YOUR ATTORNEY DO ALL YOUR SPEAKING TO THEM IF YOU TRUST HIM.......MOST ATTORNIES WON'T EVEN DEFEND YOU AGAINST THEM .

    • The doctor asked are you depressed-Yeah started when Obama became president-I don't need no stnking meds need a Republican President

  6. socialisimmustgo says:

    THIS IS A NON STORY people should be aware of it but it doesnt matter if you aren't a looney or on looney medication ..........state and federal law already make it a felony for people with a history of mental illness or domestic abuse orders on them or persons under the influence of alcohol or psychotropic drugs from posessing firearms in public or for purchasing or attempting to purchase so ...........the only people it effects is returning veterans with ptsd before you go off the deep end with an old story you might want to read existing gun laws and gun owners should always remain informed on the gun laws in their particular local ..........the best advice would be to not place yourself in the felonious categories and if you have an alcohol or dope problem get off of it and get with god to heal yourself...... if you only use alcohol or drugs recreationally then dont be carrying your guns around in public because you don't have a right to get drunk or doped up and operate a gun anymore than a vehicle it's all about common sense and doing what is right anyway!
    If you don't feel safe without your firearm in public then get off the crap or stay home with your gun , but if you abuse substance and get abusive and wave your gun around at home or threaten your family with it then most likely your family is going to get tired of it anyhow so straighten up and be a responsible family member also.......
    I don't know what to say to the vets that may find themselves faced with this issue your service and experience should have given you the knowledge that the government would limit your rights wherever they could and to be careful about what labels you let them place on you and careful about accepting any assistance or medical treatment from them......they are profiling everyone in legal documents so you aren't alone ,to get profiled all you have to do is be a white christian with a political opinion........
    break the chain and tell medical providers whether you do or dont isn't their business and if they want to discuss legal issues they would need to contact your attorney.......i would go as far as saying you are fired as medical provider and my attorney will be contacting you about infringing on my rights!

  7. Thanks for warning us that we will have to be ready to lie to our Doctors since the Tyrannical Gov. is in place! I will make sure not to tell the truth like Obama is showing us to do as we speak! In other words, now is the PERFECT time not to trust your Government!

  8. Hint: DO NOT tell your doctor you are depressed or that you have signs of depression. I understand the VA is now using this information as a method to help preclude concealed carry permits for vets. I'm a vet and damned mad about it!!!!!

  9. I suppose Obama's next move will have teachers telling children to report on how many guns their parents have at home.

  10. I doubt many drs. want to ask anything about guns.

  11. Tell your Doc >>>>> ' Unless you post a sign in the Office and give me a Form that acknowledges that visiting you and answering your Questions may be detrimental to a patients 2nd Amendment Rights, I have no comment on the subject '

    If he/she persists walk out and refuse to pay the bill saying >>>>> ' I came here for medical care, nothing more. '

  12. 1. It is none of Usurper obama's cotton picking business.
    2. Molon Labe.