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Tying Up A Few Loose Ends In The Sandy Hook Shooting


HT_patch_sandy_hook_school_kb_121214_wgThere have been some answers that have come forth with regard to several questions I posed earlier with regards to the shooting that took place in Newtown, Connecticut at Sandy Hook Elementary School. One comes by way of a video by Molotav Mitchell and the other by means of Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. I appreciate the fact that Molotav exposes the fact that the weapon found in the trunk of the car was not an AR-15 of any kind. I also appreciate the fact that he demonstrates that it could very well have been a Saiga 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun.

I don’t know that he proves the point that an AR-15 was not used in the shooting, but he does demonstrate that an AR-15 was not in the trunk of the car.

The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance.

For the record, I don’t believe Vance is actor John Goodman, OK? The man has been with the CT State Police for 38 years, not out in Hollywood doing Roseanne and the Flintstones. I also don’t buy into the fact that the attorney for James Holmes is also an actress who plays a part as a mother in Newtown, nor am I buying into that fact that pictures of the Parker girls with Barack Obama two days after the shooting contain Emilee Parker. Clearly this has been debunked.

Molotav’s point in demonstrating the weapon found in the trunk of the car is that the police eject a cartridge, which he refers to as a shotgun shell, and they do so from the side not the rear, which is consistent with both the semi-automatic shotgun and the AR style weapons.

For the record, the Connecticut State Police have had on their website for quite some time the three weapons used in the shooting and yes, they include a Bushmaster AR-15.

As I’ve said before, there are plenty of questions yet to be answered and they involve eyewitness testimony and video footage. At least in the video Molotav answers one of those questions and that is with regard to the kind of weapon retrieved from the trunk of the black car seen in this video. For this, I’m thankful someone pointed out my own suspicions.

So, some questions I did have answered today by Lt. Vance per a phone conversation was that of other suspects. I sent him the link to the police running through the woods and pushing a suspect to the ground.

He told Freedom Outpost that “civilians don’t understand what takes place in these situations.” According to Lt. Vance, when police arrive on the scene of a shooting like this, everyone who seems “out of place” is held until they can confirm their identity and what they are there for. “Even if its a UPD driver delivering packages, he is held until his identity can be determined and his presence legitimate,” Vance said.

In the case of the suspect in the woods, it was determined that he was a man who was legitimately cutting wood and he was released.

Vance said that this was the case with the man the boy referenced as being handcuffed in front of the school, as well as, the van with the back window blown out. He said, “We had to make sure that the person driving the vehicle was not involved and fleeing the scene.”

Additionally, another question that remained was The Newtown Bee’s report of the principal, Dawn Hocksprung, calling in and reporting that a masked man had entered the school with a rifle and started shooting was also addressed. After contacting the publication, I was referred to their statement here, which reads:

Retraction And Apology

An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. The quote was removed from subsequent online versions of the story, but the original story did remain in our online archive for three days before being deleted.

We apologize for whatever confusion this may have caused our readers and for any pain or anguish it may have cause the Hochsprung family.

This clears up several things that seem to have gone unanswered. There are still questions. At least these have answers.

With that said, it will not stop the Left from pushing their agenda of demonizing AR-15s, as well as, all firearms.




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  • Nellieou

    I’d love to know IF an AR15 was found at ALL. I haven’t heard that one was found from any official sources. The latest report I heard was that four handguns were taken into the school and that was all, but shell casings of a long rifle were found in the school and there was a shot gun in the trunk of the car. So where does the rifle come in? There are eye-witnesses claiming Adam was dressed as clergy and there’s also audio of dispatch call at Sandy Hook of police looking for a” purple van with two suspects possibly in nun’s outfits” and interestingly, there happens to also be a photo put out by the AP on the ay it happened of “two unidentified nuns” from a distance looking on at the Sandy Hook scene. These nuns look like they’re wearing black tactical shoes, not normal black shoes nuns would wear. People from the area have said there are no nearby churches and of the Catholic churches in Sandy Hook, none of them have nuns who dress the way the two nuns in the photo were dressed. There are also two black items of clothing on the ground around Adam’s car out front of the school that you can see in photos taken from the helicopter. This is coroborated by the woman Katie Couric interviewed who said she arrived at the school just as the shooting was underway and said she noticed a black car parked out front with all the doors open and “black sweatshirts strewn around the car.” Maybe the AR15 went with the two “nuns” after they took off their black robes and jumped into the purple van?

  • idagney

    Ordinarily, Tim Brown is right on. This time, however, he is buying the whole cover-up and I don’t know why. There are so many unexplained irregularities in this event that it is willful blindness to avoid the conclusion that this entire thing is a hoax. There are no bodies, there are no answers, there is no credibility for this giant scam.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      Idagney, you say there are no bodies. Do you have evidence that contradicts the coroner’s claim that he examined the bodies? Do you have evidence that contradicts the parents had to identify the bodies? Do you have evidence that the children are not buried? I’m all ears if you have such evidence, but until you do, I stand by what I wrote.

  • pb3

    Uniformity of arms the would be tyrants fear your ar15 because you have uniformly of arms. Should you rise up to oppose tyrany then you would be able to reload your rifle with ammo from the armory of the tyrants.Your rifle would be able to accept magazines from their same armory.

    • LGreen311

      as will my handguns, which are exactly why I purchased the same caliber weapons as NATO uses.

  • Dave P.

    The events that receive the most attention in the media always have the biggest indicators as signs of a false-flag attack.

    • Mary

      The media has become very corrupt. They’ll never let a good crisis go to waste. However now they twist and lie and will change the facts to suit their agenda.
      In this case disarming us. They serve their globalist masters.

  • Mary

    Folks I found this very interesting so I thought you’d like to read this. As many of you are aware or unaware there are some inconsistencies in what type of guns were used in the shooting. I found it interesting to note that the state of CT has sealed the file on a lot of information concerning the case. Please read.

    http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2012/12/proof-smoking-guns-sandy-hook-school.html

  • Kim Bruning

    Sorry Tim Brown I’m not buying that the two men were cutting wood. They were chased from the parking lot into the woods. OK, maybe while they were cutting wood they heard screams and shots and went to the school to see what was going on, but why run? Why did they run from the cops?

  • genann59

    I don’t know why questions regarding the man in the woods had persisted this long. The day of the shooting the police had stated the man had been detained until it was evident he had merely been out in the fields cutting wood and had had nothing to do with the shooting, and was then released. It had also been stated in the first day or two that a shotgun had been found in the trunk of the car the guy had driven to the school. I also keep hearing people say he could not have fired hundreds of shots because shells were not found at the scene. On the first day one of the officers had stated the floor in several areas was practically covered with shell casings, all of which he said would have to be gathered to determine exactly what weapon(s) had been used. That had been one of the initial reasons given for why the crime scene would be closed for several days.
    I appreciate the fact that someone is taking a rational approach to this rather than a more than slightly paranoid conspiracy version I keep hearing on some areas of the internet. If people wish to be taken seriously, you have to use logic and rational thinking in what you put out to the public, and a lot of what I have been reading regarding this case has been neither logical or rational. Your, sir, is both.

  • randellmd

    The reason their are so many questions still out their is because it was a hoax. it never happened. it was all an exercise to justify grabbing your guns.

  • Mary

    Newtown had a big mental asylum closed in the mid-90′s due to budget cuts. Also back then the Doctor’s certified a mental patient as cured. He was allowed out on a patient wellness program were he went to a local flea market and picked up some butcher knives and stabbed several people to death. Many were children. But you won’t here about that on the MSM.

  • Mary

    Assault rifle left in trunk of car. Handguns used

    http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=2E10716E6FD870ADECD5461A6778F3AB

  • Tonto

    “My experiences with science led me to God. They challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?”
    –Werner Von Braun

    “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil.” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

    “Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid.” — Ronald Reagan

    “The most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’.” — Ronald Reagan

    “The world is indeed full of peril and in it there are many dark places. But still there is much that is fair. And though in all lands, love is now mingled with grief, it still grows, perhaps, the greater.” 
    – J. R. R. Tolkien 

    Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.”  – Mohandas Ghandi, An Autobiography, page 446

    911 may take three to five minutes to reach your house.  My AR-15 responds at 3,200 feet per second.

     
     
     
     
     
     
     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5P73LT3ABJXXILIHMH6SK6B7OM Wild Thing

      3 to 5 minutes? damn! that is quick I am going to move to where you are at. In Houston, Tx you are doing good if they can make it in 11 minutes.

      3-5 minutes? Who would have ever thought?

  • C. McKenzie, MD

    I have evaluated known killers in the past, and I am an expert in psychosis and mental illness. Something is very fishy here: An insane individual might shoot everyone in sight, but it is highly unlikely that he would go around shooting everyone twice in the head afterward. That is done by someone who wants to make certain that there are no witnesses left to tell how many shooters there were.

    the following urls show video and police intercom reference two other suspects, one of whom had four assault weapons — but somehow this was not reported. Who has such power over the newsmedia???? .

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-newtown-school-tragedy-more-than-one-gunman/5316313

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/20/sandy-hook-massacre-official-story-spins-out-of-control/

    Our administration has been intent on taking away our guns. We have seen similar events in the past. The 1993 bombing of one of the twin towers — which the former chief of the FBI for California said was the work of the US government, and that the FBI made the bomb — and the second of which of which he said there was no way possible the FBI would not have been aware of 19 aliens getting flight training at the same time, and boarding the planes at the same time. The first was the excuse to pass the Patriot act and the second was the excuse to go after Iraq’s oil.

    Wake up America!!! They want our guns. What comes next, our lives???

    • Stumper24

      Good points and I feel there is a lot going on we don’t know. But, i disagree about the oil. That is a great diversion or convenient detour to many. But, If you think about a communist or Islamic world domination…Then you may be on the right track. as in a diversion of the public mind from the motives for the long term..Anyone that believes our Government can’t be infiltrated over a period of this countries existence is just wearing blinders.Especially when considering it only takes one generation of illegal to have a child that is considered a citizen.

  • charlie

    having lived in connecticut and almost losing my daughter because the arrogant psuedo military ct state police would not help me get her to the hospital– a local small town policeman took her in his patrol car when he saw what was going on, saving her life.

    They even threatened to arrest me for telling them off for not helpng us. The local cop saw what was going and intervened and also told them off. Thonnecticut state po;ice are arrogant scum.

  • sha49tn

    I SAW the picture of the little girl with Obama, & she either has an identical twin, or something is fishy. A picture of her in the SAME shirt is among the children killed, so SOMETHING is still fishy! And, since the coroner SAID some were killed with ammo from a semi auto, where did it go, & WHO used it?

    • Chicot

      Amen, we all hear about the AR15, but where is it and why was it not identified along with the two pistols which were with Lance.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      it was identified, but the AR-15 is not the problem. the person that did the shooting is

    • Chicot

      No the AR was not the problem, it may or may not have been Lance., but who ever it was they were deranged or a member of obumers hit squad, eitherone, it played into the administrations hands for gun control. Guess I need to get a cc for my walking cane, since the article the other day of the 84 year old man being arrested in the middle of the night for assault on an off duty parking ticket officer over an expired parking permit…Our whole judicial and governing system has gone off the deep end and lost all common sense.

    • big wyo

      Where did you see pics of the children’s body’s?????

      The author’s statement that the gun in the trunk had a side ejecting bolt is not totally correct. The ar-15 ejects to the right side on a right handed gun but has no bolt handle on the side as seen in the trunk video. The ar-15 charging handle is out the rear of the upper assembly and is very much different than the gun pictured. That gun does not have a pistol grip. I must admit that the action of drawing the bolt ejecting shells seem almost too short to be a shotgun but is hard to confirm with the low light and lack of scale.

      The videos from the news helicopter clearly show 2 people running from near the school into the woods pursued by officers. At one point you can see 2 individuals cuffed on the ground although not real clearly. “There may have been someone cutting wood but that does not explain why the 2 people came from the school area.
      The boy and women stating that a man cuffed prone on the sidewalk does not fit the situation either. A suspect would be taken directly to a squad car and would not be taken back to the school sidewalk where he would contaminate evidence

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      Have you seen pics of bodies from every shooting that has taken place? Does that mean it did or did not happen? That is not an argument.

      As for the ejecting, you would have had to have watched the video to understand. Molotav explained perfectly the difference. Both eject from the side, but it’s the means by which they eject that is the issue.

      Yes there were people running in the woods, no doubt. Again, police come on the scene and anyone who is out of place is held until they can be identified. That would be common sense approach coming into that environment.

      As for your last guy, well again, it wasn’t just those who were apprehended. There were others. They were detained until they could determine their identities.

    • Mary

      One kid that was killed had a twin. The Twin survived because she was in another first grade class.

  • NMN

    Clearly this boy was deranged, perhaps he was schizophrenic or he was extremely angry at his mother and killing her wasn’t enough to quench his crazed mind. No on will ever understand him or why he did this but what gun he used isn’t going to change what he did. Obviously his Mother underestimated how sick he was and wound up paying with her life. If only it could have ended there instead of him having to take it out on the children but if no one in a school is allowed to carry a weapon then schools are targets for deranged individuals and this has to change. Guns should be on a school campus and it will stop them from being targeted by sick people. Gun free zones are not working to protect the children only the criminally insane!

  • 1coachretired1

    It is heartwarming to see so many people trying to support the families in Newtown. But,I must say that most of the gifts,candles,flowers and wreaths are all simply- “symbolism over substance”.

    The tragedy has happened. It was horrific! Now look for and deal with the reasons!

    Evil is out roaming all around us. Much of it is found in the culture of- “Do your own thing”, “If it feels good do it”or “There are no absolutes”

    The movies of Hollywood,violent video games,criminal entertainment TV,and yes,rap music- available for the youngest to watch and experience-all contribute mightily to the culture of immorality and acceptance of criminal acts! Then we have those in the shadows that slink around on their own,un-noticed,or at least they are endured in their odd sick mentalities!

    Finally we try to blame the weapon (of which there are millions) and rarely take a hard look at the person’s behavior and attitudes about right and wrong and good and evil!

    There are ABSOLUTES and good and right morals! They are based on a loving God who created this universe and set down the laws for proper living in a civilized society! When people know that there is punishment for evil and immoral acts- they make the effort to resist those acts. If they have no standard values and beliefs in a God who will punish those acts-we have horrific criminal tragedies!

    The first actions that families,members of the community, and the general public engendered were to seek God’s comfort and solace with their prayers. Would that more of them had been asking for God’s support,guidance and direction and lived His values in their everyday lives.

  • Joel Saint

    Really confused. What did the rifle in the back of the car have to do with anything? Clearly, it was not used in the killings, right?

    • JannyMae

      There have been allegations that NO rifle was used in the killings, and that the only “rifle” was a shotgun that was in the trunk. The police on the scene confirm that there WAS an AR-15 used in the shootings…and that there was indeed a shotgun in the trunk. Because the initial reports were conflicting some are alleging that there was a conspiracy.

    • BigUgly666

      But, Lanza was found dead from a self-inflicted wound from a handgun – and was found with two handguns .. .but NO RIFLE. Where did the rifle go?

    • JannyMae

      (CNN) — Adam Lanza
      brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December
      14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a
      Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns — a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer
      9 mm.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5P73LT3ABJXXILIHMH6SK6B7OM Wild Thing

      It was not a rifle, it was a pistol gripped shotgun.