Obama Responds To Gun Control Petitions Within Days, 'Mum' On Secession


Within moments of the shooting that took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School petitions went up at the White House petition site "We the People" calling for more gun control and more legislation by Congress. In other words, the desires of these people was more government intervention. While the time designated on the "We the People" site says that petitions must reach a designated goal of 25,000 signatures within 30 days and that the response could come at any time. Well, Barack Obama has already responded within just a few days.

At least thirty-two petitions got the same response. Most fell way short of getting a response by the White House's own policies. The response was to petitions started that were both pro-gun and pro-gun control.

The top petition in the group garnered nearly 200,000 signatures in favor of more gun control legislation.

One petition that received 197,073 signatures, as of the writing of this article, reads:

The goal of this petition is to force the Obama Administration to produce legislation that limits access to guns. While a national dialogue is critical, laws are the only means in which we can reduce the number of people murdered in gun related deaths.

Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution's intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve.

The signatures on this petition represent a collective demand for a bipartisan discussion resulting in a set of laws that regulates how a citizen obtains a gun.

So how did Obama respond? See for yourself:

Here's how Obama responded and yes the parentheses are my comments on the obvious hypocrisy in his words.

Obama, in his video response, said that "like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. We've got a strong tradition of gun ownership that's been handed down from generation to generation."

"The fact is," Obama continued, "most gun owners in America are responsible. They buy their guns legally and they use them safely and it's encouraging that many gun owners have stepped up this week to say that there are steps that we can take to prevent more tragedies like the one in Newtown; steps that both protect our rights and protect our kids."

Obama went on to say what he thought should happen. "This week I called on Congress to take up and pass common sense legislation that has the support of the majority of the American people (Something he obviously didn't do with the Affordable Care Act), including banning the sale of military style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips and making sure criminals can't take advantage of legal loopholes to get their hands on a gun."

"I also tasked the Vice President with leading an effort to come up with a comprehensive set of serious proposals to keep our children safe, including strengthening school safety, improving mental health care, and addressing a culture that too often glorifies guns and violence (Sort of like Obama himself, who invites rappers like Jay-Z and Korea's PSY to the White House)," he said.

"I've asked for these proposals by January and I will push for them early in the year (Obama would do it sooner but he's gotta get that Hawaiian vacation in, and don't worry about the fiscal cliff stuff, he's just fine to go over the cliff)." Obama said. "I will do everything in my power as President to advance these efforts because if there's even one thing that we can do as a country to protect our children, we have a responsibility to try (Unless you are talking about removing "Gun Free Zones" and allowing all school officials to exercise their Second Amendment rights. We can't afford to try that)."

Obama reiterated the statement that he could not do this alone. He claims that he needs the people's help in restricting their options for the kinds of weapons they purchase, own and handle, as he stated himself, "legally and... safely."

"If we are going to succeed," he said, "it's going to take a sustained effort from mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, law enforcement and responsible gun owners; organizing, speaking up, calling their members of Congress as many times as it takes, standing up and saying 'Enough!" on behalf of all our kids. That's how change happens (Yes, it is responding emotionally to an emotional argument about kids and children (What about the adults who were murdered?), instead of looking at actual numbers concerning gun control)."

He then called for those who signed the petitions on gun control to continue doing what they were doing to make America safer. Of course, one has to wonder about some form of drone control legislation concerning Mr. Obama himself as he wants to put 30,000 drones over our airspace within the next seven years. Just how many innocent children has Mr. Obama killed with his drones strikes in foreign countries, including American citizens?

Don't believe for a moment that he really believes in your right to keep and bear arms. What he is doing is trying to get people in the mindset to think they came up with the idea to disarm themselves.

Apparently for Obama anything, except allowing for free and full exercise of Second Amendment rights, is acceptable. He took time out to make this response and yet weeks after the thirty days were up for the secession petitions, where every state in the union had a petition and many had multiple ones, pushing nearly one million signatures, we have not heard so much as a peep from the administration.

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  • Lupo

    My understanding of Gun Control is if you're able to control your Gun while you're shooting at a criminal trying to murder you or your loved once.

    Anything else is disarmament and unconstitutional. Armed People are FREE disarmed People are Slaves!!! You have a First Amendment because you have a Second Amendment. No other country in the world has a Second Amendment and that's why they don't have a First Amendment. Keep fighting guys it always pays off to stand for FREEDOM. That's why I love this country so much after been raised behind the Iron Curtain. One of my classmates from high school disappeared after telling a joke at his 20ies birthday party. Till today his relatives don't know where the murderers in the name of socialism and social justice hastily buried him.

  • rennyangel

    If Congress could pass common sense leg., it would have a much better record than it has actually produced in recent memory. Common sense would assure all Cong. that leg. passed based on emotion and in the heat of response to a tragedy few comprehend or understand is not what the US needs or wants.

    • IddiKlu

      If there was common sense to be found in either house, Congress or Senate, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

    • rennyangel

      Too true.

    • sonny

      Congress and common sense do not even belong in the same sentence, or the same BOOK for that matter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Lemon/100000733237588 Steven Lemon

    Even though I signed Georgia's version of the secession petition within hours of it's inception, I think Obama might be mum on it because he's too busy laughing.

    Those who want to seceded could accomplish a lot more by an ECONOMIC secession, but our greed will prevent us from doing that.

    Obama has us right where he wants us:All bent over with our hands clasped firmly around our ankles.

    PREPARE FOR IMPACT!

  • Four more years of misery

    How about we send a petition to the White House petition site to rid the White House of its current occupants.

    • big wyo

      the same white house petition sight had anti gun control petitions and they were growing just as fast as the gun control ones.

      there was also a petition for obummer to be impeached that had 231,000 but it seems to have been removed.

  • TexasLadyJuanita

    In additions to the article by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting - how about our own government running guns into Mexico to be used against Mexican innocents, and Americans on the border . . . AND running guns and $$ to Egypt to the same enemy who our troops are fighting in Afghanistan

  • Retiree 2005

    Yeah Commies ALWAYS insist on gun control before they start mass killings. Wont happen here. If youre gonna kill a bunch of people,, they are going to be shooting back.

    • rcbobj

      I have some hollow points to send there way.

  • TexasLadyJuanita

    by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting

    Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

    In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

    The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

    According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

    The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.

    Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

    While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.

    ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      Okay, so you just described oblowhole's and holder's fast and furious! Well done!

  • texanna

    You want my guns? Come and get them. We'll see how that works out for you.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      Calm down now, really think this out! They want your guns, so what do you do?

      Give them over willingly!!!!

      Ammunition first!!!!
      ,

    • dalek1967

      and aim real good too.

    • big wyo

      at a place and time of your choosing

  • kenhowes

    New York has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. It was already illegal for the guy who shot those people near Rochester to have guns. But he had them. Gun control laws only prevent people who obey the law from getting them. Those who want to commit a crime with a gun will get one. There are some 200,000,000 guns in America today. That's quite enough for someone who really wants a gun and doesn't care about obeying gun control laws to find and get one. BTW--would those who say, "Allow illegal immigrants to stay as long as they don't break any other law," apply the same logic to gun ownership? You can have a gun as long as you don't break any other law using the gun?

    • Four more years of misery

      The guy (animal) near Rochester was in prison for 17 years for bludgeoning his grandmother with a hammer...and some kind hearted soul judge released him of his captivity. What a wothless excuse for a human being.....to shoot at unsuspecting volunteer fire fighters responding to their call to put out the fire that he started.

    • sonny

      Then the JUDGE should be imprisoned. IF this country had any laws that were worth a damn, THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

    • LicketySplit

      Nope...the liberals are responsible for this one as well...they let him out to save money. Notice how you dont see them whinning about gun control over this one do you? Liberals are such hypocrites that they hide their faces when caught in a lie. How does it feel to be on the Plantation folks? Feel better now you voted this scat back into office? He has every intention of taking all our weapons...why do you think all that ammo has been purchased recently? Remember...."I want a private army to equal the size of our military"??? What do you think this man wants with all those brown shirts? Hahahaha...stand up and take this country back or were headed the way of the jews in WWII.

    • Show ME

      No, I have a better thought, let these damn judges and other liberal bleeding hearts who want these criminals out of jail, let the criminals come live with the judges and their familiess!! Let them take care of them. After all, they feel it is safe for them to be turned out with the rest of us. Take them into your home with your family!!!

    • rennyangel

      The Sullican Act in NY State virtually prevents any law abiding citizen from ever obtaining and registering a hand gun legally. But it does not stop criminals from obtaining guns and ammunition and using them in criminal and violent activities. And what does NY call for? More gun leg. If that response is not looney, nothing is.

    • kenhowes

      What you're seeing there is ideology trumping good sense; when something doesn't have satisfactory results, you don't go for more of the same.

    • rennyangel

      It is all leftist ideology, and none of it based on real life, actual experience, common sense, and experience.

    • IddiKlu

      Stupidity is doing the same useless thing over and over again, yet expecting a different outcome...

    • rennyangel

      Exactly.

    • johnhorse

      Your RIGHT look at the morons that keep voting in the SAME dumbocraps around the country (Calif. Illinois, Washington St. to name a few)expecting a different out come.

    • rcbobj

      Yea , but look who called for it.

    • rennyangel

      Yes, Bloomberg who has an "anti-" bug embedded in his DNA somewhere and Gov. Cuomo (confiscate guns) who evidently has never heard of the US Constitution let alone NY's gun laws.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      The other day bloomers had the nerve to say that he has supported the 2nd amendment more than anyone! Can we all remind him of "MAYORS AGAINST GUNS," that he started, and conveniently forgot! Bloomers is as big a liar as is oblowhole!!

    • sonny

      What else do you expect from a LIBERAL??

    • rcbobj

      200,000,000 is a lot of guns for some big mouth jerk to try to take. I think he might have a bit of a problem on his hands. He better get a bigger army than his FEMA brats. I don't think the military will back him either.

    • slickzip

      AMEN

    • MARYANN33

      Guns save lives.

  • retiredmillwright

    Denison Ridenour, thank you Sir. I grow old and worry about
    the younger people who will inherit America. Many have been dumbed down to the point they are easy pickings for
    the socialists Already we have lost much freedom and the liberals call out our
    constitution is no more than an outdated piece of paper, to be changed as they
    wish. It brings tears to my eyes to think of a gutted constitution, socialism
    and massive debt that the young people will inherit. Lady liberty is being
    molested by those who have never sweated or bleed for this country and never
    will.

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      It will only be gutted if us "TRUE AMERICANS," fail in it's defense!
      Will we let that happen?

  • Raymond

    REAL GUN CONTROL.

    Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home
    Invaders...

    Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and
    Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would
    easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left
    their two-story home.

    It seems the two crooks never learned two
    things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been
    a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.

    Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men
    broke through the front door of the house. She
    quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his
    12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

    Resindez was the first to get up to the second
    floor only to be the first to catch a near point
    blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's
    knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his
    abdomen and genitals. (I LOVE A HAPPY ENDING).

    When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took
    a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out
    into the street where he bled to death before
    medical help could arrive. (ANOTHER SCUMBAG GONE).

    It was found out later that Resindez was armed
    with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from
    another home invasion robbery. That victim,
    50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He
    died from stab wounds to the chest.

    Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS,
    PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........?

    An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended
    her home, and herself......against two murderous,
    illegal immigrants.......and she wins, she is
    still alive. (MAY GOD BLESS THIS CHILD).

    Now THAT is Gun Control!

    • Gamby

      This is a fake story that has got a lot of mileage. Check it out yourselves .Good try Ray.

    • matism

      Suck your chimp. Prepare to rot where you belong.

    • Brett Bryant

      What does "Suck your chimp" even mean? If you don't agree with someone the least you can do is make a coherent and full retort which cites some proof of the things the other person got wrong.

      How about you show me some reason to not just blow this story off as the racist propaganda piece which it seems to be...

    • http://www.facebook.com/crzydancer Richard Holmes

      The only propaganda out there is comming from the socialist anti-American commie left. If they don't like the truth they scream it is a lie. They do their best to hide the truth, distort the truth ir yell loud so noone can hear much of anything but their insane ranting.

    • oldcoyote

      RIGHT ON!!! I've said the same thing many times and have many down ratings because of it.

    • Show Me

      Tho it is fake, I see nothing racists about it. It is simply a very close call as to who might have been supposedly breadking into this not real girls house. If you read the pleas and arrest reports in the papers, you can see that the number if illegals that are arrested for breaking the laws of our land, it's ginormous as my grandkids say!! Facts are facts, sometimes they do work a few little facts into a good fictional story!

    • Carl Stevenson

      As Ann Coulter said, at some point after the same crimes have been committed over and over again by (fill_in_the_blank), it ceases to be "racist" and becomes "a description of the suspect."

    • http://www.facebook.com/grant.halverson.1 Grant Halverson

      Brettarsky, The point is that people DO Defend themselves. There are true stories out there if you look for them, you obviously Don't want to find them! Lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/al.dailey.7 Al Dailey

      hay jerk off Brett, want a reason not to blow it off, ask the DEAD SCUMS IF IT IS TRUE. this story is not racist propaganda. actually happened. true story. makes no difference what color, shape, size, smart, or stupid break into someones home that is a responsible firearm owner and the chances that you will not walk out are an overwhelmingly 99.9%. you prolly one of them whiny asses that is gonna wish he had a gun if this were to happen to them. average police response time in a situation such as this is approximately 20 minutes. response time for self defense just seconds. this girl is alive today because of what she knew and did. now you have a nice day now moron.

    • mtmountainman

      You Libs claim to not like someone from the right getting a little worked up. But truth be told, the left NEVER states facts and ALWAYS falls back to the racist crap. I don't like Dingy Harry or Princess Pelosi either for the Leftist agenda that Harry, Pelosi and Little Barry are pushing in their destruction of this country. I suppose I'm racist because I feel the same way about Harry, Pelosi and all the members and supporters of the Marxist/Leftist regime.

    • Casmige

      It's Not A "Fake Story" Gamby:

      http://island-adv.com/2010/11/shotgun-preteen-vs-illegal-alien-home-invaders/

      Bolstered by One of the Commentators:

      "Montana mountain man Says:
      December 3rd, 2010 at 9:44 am
      "I lived in a small town about 150 miles from Butte Montana and i
      can tell you that this event did happen although it happened many years
      ago. Like most crime in small town America it never makes the big city
      paper’s. It was emailed to friends and family and picked up by some
      small blog site and the word of the event started to get around. Then a
      progressive web site with it’s main mission in life to hide the truth
      and promote there progress beliefs, wrote an article saying this crime
      never happened. So based on that one article write by a person in
      California this harrowing experience became an urban ledge when in fact
      it did happen and it is true.
      So before you jump to the gun and believe a website look to see if
      you can find more information and if its only in one place or all roads
      point to the same source then chances are that source is where the
      misinformation is coming from."

      Oh, Unless that poster was also a "Fake" as well??

    • dalek1967

      I saw a similar one interviewed on Fox news a while back. Not the exact same thing but pretty close. This one shot the crook through the closet door with a pistol. He was found a while later with a gun shot to the gut at a local ER. I think the girl was in her mid teens.

      This sort of thing happens all the time. We all hear stories of people using a gun to defend themselves. The liberals and gun haters just hate for us to hear about them.

    • Diviney

      Then they call them urban legends, even when they actually occured.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1187127934 Sheila Simmons

      ...When asked about the authenticity of the events described in this story, Butte-Silver Bow Sheriff John Walsh told The Montana Standard in an earlier interview that his office never investigated such an incident.

      “This never happened,” Walsh said.

      The story claims the girl shot and killed the two intruders while she was home alone. The story doesn’t provide a street address or attribute the information to any official sources.

      Walsh brushed off the story of an urban myth...http://mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html?mode=story

    • Casmige

      As stated in the previous reply:

      "Then a progressive web site with it’s main mission in life to hide the truth
      and promote there progress beliefs, wrote an article saying this crime
      never happened."

    • tetons9

      Shot you down too didn't he!

    • vet

      2.5 million scumbags just this year were stopped by legal gun owners and not any of those hit the liberal media either.

    • Vette66

      What! the lib media didn't publish the defending to the home. The only "truth" the lib media publishs is the rantings of their buds.

    • sonny

      Fake or not, the principle is the same. You break into MY house, you're going to be carried away...DEAD. Nice try, Ray.

    • rcbobj

      You are lieying thru your teeth. That story was in American Rifleman, with a lot more story's of people protecting them selves from would be criminals. If you don't believe me, get a copy and read it yourself. If you can read.

    • Show Me

      Ann Landers used to say quite often in her column, "Don't believe anything you hear, (read), and only half of what you see." Good sound advice. Especially today with all the rampant and unsubstantiated crap on the internet. I went to great lengths a few years ago when this story first went around, at least to me, and looked for it in newpapers in Montana. Didn't exist! Take such stuff with a grain of salt. There are a lot of well meaning folks out there who write very feel good fiction, but that's all it is.

    • http://www.facebook.com/grant.halverson.1 Grant Halverson

      Snooky, There are TRUE similiar stories to this, many in fact. The main street communist media does not give these types of stories any coverage, though. In fact, with more and more women (even older women like myself) arming themselves, there will be more and more stories (reported only on alternative news sights) of people protecting themselves!
      There's a true story of the 90 year old man who got tired of guys robbing from his farm and he shot them. It's inspiring to someone older, that we can still protect ourselves....instead of being frail and vulnerable to the evil ones.

    • JeromefromLayton

      Unless that was the old English gentleman who was subsequently jailed for it.

    • tetons9

      Read all of Casmidge's previous post and then say something about all of those incidences Show Me. By the way I live in the show me state.

    • medivac

      The liberals did just this type stuff before the presidential election.

    • Show Me

      Just out of curiosity, how does this magazine check the facts of stories that people send to them that supposedly happened to them?? Kinda hard I would imagine. But these stories help no one. Me, I want the real unvarnished truth.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Horton/100000278827311 Jeff Horton

      I think I can find the article then google the local paper and date to see.

    • mthighpockets

      I do think the NRA,with their reputation,would'nt be putting fake stories in
      their Mags.They have a page full every month. I read the stories everyone
      is refering to here,in those Mags.

    • Nana

      Then just listen to Obama.

    • Seymour Kleerley

      Liberals don't oppose gun ownership or use for protecting your home. You're being tricked yet again.

    • JeromefromLayton

      Look into Illinois State Senator Obama's votes on the subject of home defense. He was comfortable with the home owner being hung out to dry like a piece of jerky because he owned a pistol that the State deemed to be illegal. He voted this way more than once. Also, NY Gov. Cuomo has actually called for confiscation of firearms in his state. He may be grandstanding because the legislation is not likely to survive one or both houses. Since the firearms ban went into effect in England, self defending home owners have been jailed even when the assailant was a career criminal. Bottom line: Liberals really do want to sieze your guns just like they did in New Orleans after Katrina.

    • Seymour Kleerley

      There is no and will not be any Liberal attempt to take away guns for home protection or hunting. A couple of extreemist examples does not change that fact.

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      Liberals celebrate the slaughter of millions of innocent lives, but will pull all the stops to save a death-row serial-killer inmate and will bend over backwards for the hoards of ILLEGALS on American soil, so don't tell us that Liberals stand for ANYTHING good and right!

      chew on this, Seymour: http://blackgenocide.org/photos.html

    • Carl Stevenson

      Progressives believe that a woman who allows herself to be raped, mutilated, and murdered is morally superior to a woman who uses a pistol to kill her would-be rapist and murderer in self-defense.
      They seldom tell the truth about their motivations, but once in a while the slip up and the truth slips out:
      "Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would
      resist us have been totally disarmed."
      Sara Brady
      Chairman,
      Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
      The National Educator,
      January 1994, Page 3.

      THAT is what gun control is all about. Nothing else.

    • olddawg1

      Ms. Brady never made those statements. Unfortunately, when people keep dredging up these falsehoods, it just makes the libs jump up and down and point at us, saying that everything we say is false.

    • Carl Stevenson

      If that's true, my apologies, but I've seen that "quote" in a number of places. Clearly her agenda is to have all guns banned. The rest just seemed to be in character, and therefore seemed believable. I do not knowingly pass along falsehoods.

    • olddawg1

      Yes, I do think she would like to see a comprehensive ban, although I'm not sure she really has a pure socialist agenda--and the quote certainly is in character with the liberal mindset that it's okay to distort facts and/or lie for the "good" of the "cause". After all, that's how they justify voter fraud to elect the anointed one. Like you, I have seen that quote many times, but I have pretty much satisfied myself that it didn't happen. I wish I had time to check out all of these things going around, but I gotta work to "pay my fair share"!

    • olddawg1

      If I were you, I wouldn't be making assumptions about others' ability to read until I learned to write (in English).

      "lieying"? "story's"? "them selves"? Come on, we can do better than that; even spell-check might have caught a couple of those.

    • rob

      your a fake citizen!!!

    • johnhorse

      Gsmby is a fake citizen just like ovomit is,he STILL hasn't proved his Citizenship. I would venture a guess HE CAN'T.

    • http://www.facebook.com/al.dailey.7 Al Dailey

      he cant prove citizenship cause his dad was a citizen of the british empire when he was born. not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN per constitution guidelines.

    • slickzip

      Gamby go "intercourse " yourself ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • Palrak

      LOL! Never heard that one before! Good way to get around the moderator.

    • ATLDave

      Gamby. Defend yourself. How do you know this is fake! Don't just come off as a liberal tool who just doesn't WANT to beleive. You have been called out!

    • Marlin208

      Idiot.

    • Patty

      typical Ray. Heard it in right wing radio so it must be true. Or maybe Rush. Edifices it. So typical of people who mouth talking points. No intelligence for the ones who disparage Al the.moochers. Facts. Such pesky items. So Ray, what is your source. What city was this in. Was it on the news or just suppressed by the evil one.

    • drtevans

      gamby is a coc ksuc ker plain and simple

    • http://www.facebook.com/grant.halverson.1 Grant Halverson

      Gumby, If your fact checking site is Snopes, then you're falling for lefty progressive propaganda, I'm just sayin'....I have researched on my own and found them to be leaning left and they have stated things weren't true when I found them to be true. Used to believe in Snopes, but no more...

    • mtmountainman

      You absolutely hit that nail on the Leftist head!! Snopes and FactCheck.org are both left leaning and have been caught backing phony stories to help the left.

    • Palrak

      I usually go to Snopes, even though I know it's left-wing. Would you please give one or two sites which are more reliably truthful? Thank you in advance.

    • CheeseandRice

      It makes no difference what you think or write Gamby.
      I don't know if the NRA still publishes stories like this in their two monthly magazines, but years ago when I was a member of the NRA, they'd have 20 maybe 40 stories each month that were current excerpts of someone defending themselves with a gun against "bad guys". It happens much more often than one would think because the commie media has never wanted to print anything that would further the recognition that individual gun ownership was a good thing.
      Gun ownership in America goes way beyond defending one from bad guys. it was the intention of the Founders that gun ownership would give the "People" the only chance to fight against a tyrannical government.
      In my book, any politician who wants to take our guns is part of that tyranny.
      Death to tyrants!

    • JeromefromLayton

      My latest Armed Citizen page (American Hunter, Jan 2013) has six stories with the defenders ranging in age from 12 to 66. When seconds count, the police are minutes away, sometimes longer.

    • Palrak

      When only seconds count, it's probably impossible to call 911 or even reach the panic button on your security alarm. You also read countless stories where the 911 line is "busy."

    • http://www.facebook.com/al.dailey.7 Al Dailey

      hay gumby, true story. two dead intruders will tell you so. oh they cant, they are DEAD.

    • Seymour Kleerley

      The Right Wing Propaganda machine would never deceive or distort, and certainly never lie...

    • Palrak

      Did your handle used to be Seymour Balz? Just askin'

    • Armyof 1

      Gamby, You have been drinking to much Kool Aid.

    • fedup in fl

      You Sir, need to have your head removed from the lower oriface in your large
      intestine.

    • tetons9

      Nice try Gamby but it looks like Casmige just shoot your foolish intentions down!

    • wildbill

      Suck snot you scumbag Gamby the likes of you cannot face the truth

    • Mutley

      I could print you over 40 stories straight out of the NRA magazine (and referenced by countless newspaper stories) of people who stood up to crooks and in some cases killed them. Most were home invasions and store robberies. In all cases someone in the store or home shot the intruder (after calling 911). In most cases the police arrived 5 minutes or more after the 911 call. In all cases the person shot the intruder/robber as a last resort.

    • John Cherish

      I too have seen on live TV where people who were intent on Robbing were stopped by legal gun carrying citizens and have heard many stories from people who were first person accounts of people defending themselves with weapons. I know first hand and not from magazine or press accounts. The out come would have been different had they not been armed

    • mthighpockets

      It is'nt fake' I live in Montana and I heard about this many months ago. I think it took place in Billings'

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003457282985 Mike Slaney

      you have been schooled!

    • rcbobj

      This story needs to go to every news paper in the country. Also to some tv talk show host's

    • boone1

      That kind of news never goes to or on communist news or in communist news papers.These people don't want you to here what good guns do.

    • CherokeeDan

      The reason this story hasn't been in the papers or on tv is that it isn't true. I wish it were but we don't help our cause by perpetuating internet myths.
      http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

    • ozkwailo

      And of course, snopes never gets it wrong. Wanna buy the Brooklyn Bridge ?

    • Vette66

      The bridge still going for a buck 2.98?
      I'm waiting for snopes to say we need to do away with gun free zones so people can defend themselves. Gun free zones means bring on the killing.

    • ESQ

      Great! I'm going to make me a sign saying, "This is not a Gun Free Zone!"

    • Don

      I checked with snopes and the Brooklyn Bridge is not for sale!!!

    • ESQ

      LOL, or buy some swamp land in Florida?

    • CherokeeDan
    • Battle Born

      Snopes is not a reliable source in that it is owned by a couple that are far left wing. The information posted on that site has been shown to be in error many many times. There are better sources for facts than Snopes.

    • Palrak

      Respectfully, would you cite a few? I'd really like to know where I can find the truth. Snopes does okay with some Urban Legends, but I don't trust them with any political.

    • CherokeeDan

      How about TruthorFiction;http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/butte-invasion.htm? People.we have plenty of factual ammo to use against liberals without resorting to made-up bs. And, as for Rusttruck below, unless you can provide some sort of evidence that this story is true, I stongly suggest that you stop your ignorant ranting.

    • Rustytruck

      That's such a crock, I know the people in Montana, my nephew still lives there. We all know how to take care of ourselves here. Your Snopes site tells so many falsehoods it's amazing anybody still goes to their site at all. The reason this one story stood out is because we thought it was amusing that those two dumbass illegal bastards didn't know enough about Montana before trying that crap out here. If the rest of you took the time to put illegals in the hospital before jail they'd stop coming to your state too. At least beat the living snot out of them and then call the cops to come get 'em, it works really well, they don't come back.

    • Nassany

      Yes that make plenty of sence! statements like that one are the reason why people hate Americans; even most Americans hate Americas; because they don't trust you lunatics! Hear is a question for you, tell me one thing that you can blinbely trust an American with? I america, you better guard your kids from even your own family, your money, your properties, yourlife, ect, ect. You can't even trust your own family in this country!

    • Roger12266

      First, learn to read, write and speak English using proper spelling and grammar. Once you have done that become a legal alien instead of an illegal alien and then GET A Job instead of staying on the welfare rolls.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darlene-Thecolaratlady/100000275763531 Darlene Thecolaratlady

      Just like with here in colorado, we CAN use deadly force against a criminal in certain situations, cant be arrested, tried, sued..nothing...so long as it is a legit kill. determined by the police, da. I SO LOVE OUR MAKE MY DAY LAW

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darlene-Thecolaratlady/100000275763531 Darlene Thecolaratlady

      Colorado is also a shall issue state whereas some states are may issue, meaning you can go through all the hoops, pay fees etc and can still be denied a concealed carry if they feel like, but here, if you pass through all their hoops, are perfectly entitled to have 1 they have to give you 1

    • Jimdandi

      I believe I recall this story from a few months ago. Doesn't necessarily make it true, but I would be hesitant to accuse Raymond of making it up or perpetuating a false story. He usually seems to have done his homework. Shouldn't be too hard to check it out outside of Snopes.

    • CherokeeDan

      I saw this "story" years ago. Raymond is a prolific copy and paster. This time he didn't do his homework....perhaps for the same reason so many are defending this fairytail. They WANT to believe it. Once again;
      http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/butte-invasion.htm

    • dshevlin

      I agree with ya on Raymond. Both sides are messing with our information. But copy & pasters aside, what does any of this article or anyone's comments have to do with Newton or other similar lunatics? Stricter gun laws would not have changed one thing regarding this massacre! The guns were legally purchased and owned. A mentally ill person got their hands on them without permission. That's it. After 9/11 all aircraft cock pits got new lock system doors and pilots got permission to be armed. And NO guns were used on 9/11. Amazing. Why is school any different???????? Here's an idea, why not lock all school doors during classes and arm all teachers. Just like the airlines did. Too many paxil brains out there to think logically. Did you know that most fluoride added to public water systems has the same ingredient as paxil? Did you know that just one of the stimulus $ grants available to states for infrastructure & utilities is to add more fluoride to the water? The gov. will pay you to put more drugs in the water. Fluoride is a drug, on the back of every toothpaste box just look at "drug facts - ingredient = fluoride". Did you know that approx. 30% of America is on paxil, prozac and the like? Anyone notice how most of these coo-coo's are 20 ish in age and did you ever think about ridlan ingested by 10 year olds? Now they are the 20 ish crowd, all grown up ridlan heads. The gov.loves and cares for our kids so much that they put them on mind altering drugs, they limit their school food to leaves, they cut out field trips, they frown on playing a sport to "win", and they won't allow God in the class rooms. Maybe this is what the problem is, not the law abiding citizens but the gov. induced lunacy that is growing up in progressive America. How about addressing this and stick your gun control where the sun does not shine!

    • Mike

      Snopes is a liberal husband and wife team operating from their basement...whether this story is true or not I don't know, but I DO KNOW that Snopes is NOT an authority on ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Another Guest

      In the snopes location you cited,they had three other stories of children from 11 to 17 that did use deadly force to save their own lives.Just because the first story wasn't true,doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BEKQKDHQCDR7CNBD46XHTJWT4Q James

      Maybe it's not,but there is one that is in the last year. A 19 year old mother who lived in a remote area and as documented on a 911 call that two men were casing her home out.She told the 911 person that she had a shotgun and asked if she could use it.The 911 person told her she could not answer that question but she had a right to defend herself and her 2 month child.While she was talking to 911 the door was kickd in and she shot and killed the suspect .They later caught the other suspect who confessed that they were looking for drugs because her 21 yr old husband had died of cancer the week before.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BEKQKDHQCDR7CNBD46XHTJWT4Q James

      Definition of gun control. Hitting your target.

    • Fleur in Texas

      Ame, brother!

    • Fleur in Texas

      This IS true. It happened in Oklahoma and it was on the News. The lady's husband had just passed away from cancer and the two criminals knew him and also knew that the deceased had been taking large doses of heavy pain-killers. His wife was a very young woman with a relatively young baby. The girl did ask the 911 operator who told he she couldn't tell the girl tgat she should shoot someone but that she certainly had the right to protect her bqby qnd herself. So she shot them.

      Good for her! Glad she had the guts to do it. Glad she had a gun. Glad she stopped the criminals. God bless her.

    • Lifetime NRA

      Since everyone here wants to believe the story and will dispute Snopes as a left wing liberal media. It was also debunked by "defensive carry.com and the montana Standard

    • ALHL

      Snopes? Are you kidding me?

    • Fleur in Texas

      It IS true. I have family in Great Falls, Montana and they CONFIRMED it. And Snopes.com is owned by GEORGE SOROS. Nothing on this Liberal website is credible. Wise up, man. Read more. And don't trust Snopes.

    • cyber_hackster

      Find a non-liberal TV Talk Show Host---

    • joycersjoyr

      Fox News

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BEKQKDHQCDR7CNBD46XHTJWT4Q James

      But there are stating to evolve to the left.

    • Marines-help1

      Dr. Michael Williams web radio show is going to address on his show "The Patriot Report" next week. Go to webtalkradio,net (have use a comma or this site won't show this posting) to listen to the show. The Patriot Report really hits the nail on the head!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wayne-Bauer/100000780337244 Wayne Bauer

      Newspapers are worthless today, less than 10 % citizens ever look at them, we're paying for PBS make them show FACTS>

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darlene-Thecolaratlady/100000275763531 Darlene Thecolaratlady

      i used to get the news paper, only thing it was good for is putting underneath the dogs potty pads in the hallway and at the bottom of my bird cage

    • dndvaughn

      Thats good buddy, the extreme left people have NO IDEA of how many well learned people there are in this great country. To them, there are only a 'few' crazies that are aware of firearm handling. Because they are SO wrapped up in there belief that everyone is from a culture of followers of sheep herders from the many metropolitan areas. When in fact there are millions of people who 'dispise' these SHEEP. They let politicians do as they wish, and believe that the politicians are right, and know what they are doing ! When in fact, moist of them are folding 'under' pressure to make a few more dollars at the Real taxpayers of this countries expense !! Dispicdable people, they need term limits to get rid of these money-suckers.!!!

    • dalek1967

      I like the part in parenthesis myself. It adds a good tone to the subject. ;-)
      Sort of points out the bonus system. o_O

    • slickzip

      AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Patty

      yes right. What about all the fun guys that shoot up innocent bystanders. That doesn't make your LSM either. Get over it. We are moving by popular consensus toward gunncontrol. Just like the last election. I know, I know fraud. Well prove it. America is changing. You are not. Too bad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Horton/100000278827311 Jeff Horton

      Registering all guns is exactly what Hitler did. Then he took them away and when he came for the people they couldn't fight back FACT. In U.S.S.R. they did the same thing FACT. CHINA FACT. I can go on why do you think our government will be any different.
      There is no real reason If you watch the news NOT JUST FOX but all of it. And watch both sides you can see propaganda on both sides. But I see the left being much more violant. Look at the left now wanting to kill everyone in the NRA. The NRA had nothing to do with any of these shootings. In fact they want everyone to learn gun safety. And that is because you never know when your kid visits a house what has a gun there. My kids learned gun safety. First to leave them alone and next to leave if a kid gets one out. They also learned how to safely handle them. My son can careless about firearms my daughter will go target practicing nothing wrong with that. They know what is safe and what isn't. better for all people to know gun safety.

    • http://www.facebook.com/grant.halverson.1 Grant Halverson

      Pattycake, Oops, you are on the wrong site, The 'sheeple' site is 2 blocks down and on your LEFT.

    • Rick

      Sorry Patty, Those of us who really back and love this great country will NOT change to, or back, the hedonistic, homosexual, communistic slime that is happening in this country. Yes, Obama IS a fraud, controlled by Soros and the Bilderberg group to suck in sheep such as yourself. Go have a late Christmas cocktail of the Kenyans kool-aide.

    • CheeseandRice

      You are being misled Patty. Nothing of the sort is going to happen. obama may declare whatever he wants. It makes no matter. The gun owners of this country are not going to give them up. And the government is not powerful enough to take the guns away.
      That is the purpose of all this anti-gun propaganda. The globalists HAVE to remove the guns in this country before they can enslave all of us.
      There are millions of gun owners, far more than anti-gunners. America IS liable to change. If the commies keep pushing, a war will change everything, and your kind is going to be gone.

    • pissed off conservative

      patty most people as you say are not changing there minds on the 2nd ammendment like you wishfully think you are distorting the facts and are a liar..but i bet you have no problem with 2000 babies being aborted every day of the yr..no patty you are a dieing breed..gun sales are at an all time high ..so GFY..

    • http://www.facebook.com/rick.jason.77 Rick Jason

      I'll be circulating this amongst my contacts and advise to do same thing with all of theirs.

    • Bob Marshall

      Raymond, maybe because over 30 major news organizations are linked to George Soros and his Open Society Institute. Everyone you just mention is part of that 30. George Soros and his Open society institute have spent over $9 billion funding, supporting and giving in some cases grants to 152 organizations. whistleblower publication December 2010 not only named these organizations but gave a little info about each. The title was certainly appropriate. GEORGE SOROS AND HIS EVIL EMPIRE Semper Fidelis

    • Alexander Davidson

      The least deadly (to defenders of the constitution) method to stop the rot, is to remove all congressmen and senators from office (unless they are the ones trying to OPPOSE Obama) - consider all those who don't loudly speak their mind (and ACT on their statements) as being intent on creating a dictatorship in what was once a fairly free country. Never challenge the Army... they don't like what Obama does either, get them ONSIDE defending the Constitution, even if you have to give out leaflets (since shortly internet could be cut off, and News Media wont publish anti-Obama stories - as they also want a war to sell more papers!)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1187127934 Sheila Simmons

      Except the story is a hoax.

      ... Patricia Harrington is a Short Mystery Fiction Society Derringer award winner.
      She has published many short stories including Antiguan Memories and Lonely ...
      http://museituppublishing.com/musepub/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93&Itemid=82

      ...http://mtstandard.com/news/local/article_bc1ff1a9-cbe1-5f34-a63e-9e90b5530103.html?mode=story

    • Armyof 1

      Shame on the Liberal media for not covering this story they are so CORRUPT. I hope Fox News will air it.

    • azjen

      Raymond, for what it's worth or FYI : http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp I haven't gotten around to checking out TorF as of yet. I was pretty sure that I had seen this before. In case this comment shows up twice. I wasn't trying to prove a point to Raymond. My first comment is probably down at the bottom of all the comments b/c I forgot to reply to Raymond. I should say that I think it's great that young peoplea are able to handle guns. We should have more of this sort of thing today.

    • http://www.facebook.com/samuel.j.saladino Samuel J. Saladino

      Sorry guys, that story is 100% Fiction. When hearing stories that sound like they may be too good to be true, check them out on Snopes.com

      This one has been floating around since April 2007

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

    • JulieB

      Snopes is financed by none other than George Soros. There have been facts originally posted on many different topics on this site, then immediately scrubbed; another example of the lefties agenda to keep the information from reaching all of us. You need to better understand the machine.

    • JulieB

      You must know your sources. Snopes is an untrustworthy site since it is financed by George Soros. There have been posts later scrubbed because the lefties attempt to keep the truth from us. That is their agenda!

    • Raymond

      Snopes receives money from George Soros.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darlene-Thecolaratlady/100000275763531 Darlene Thecolaratlady

      I LOVE IT! GOD BLESS THAT CHILD! it's not MORE gun control we need its more CRIMINAL CONTROL WE NEED, LOCK THE SOB'S UP, If they take a life, their lives should be taken by the state. disarming the law abiding ppl will only empower the criminals even more, Odumba, other gun control nuts need to have the bloods, the crypts and other ARMED gangs over to their house, ask them how they obtained their weapons, what crimes have they committed using weapons, ask them what made them turn into such bad little boys, "its societie's fault".. everyone's fault but their own for turning into CRIMINAL MURDERING THUGS and lets see how well that visit turns out for them. $100 SAYS THEY WONT SURVIVE THAT VISIT.

    • Alexander Davidson

      Obama, from all what I have read about him (I am Australian) seems to be intent on disarming all Americans. This is what people say that he wants America to be involved in overseas wars, supposedly to "free" the people, so that he has no defence at home... and they say that only then, could a Muslim Army have the ability to almost walk in and take over. But while Americans have guns, it means that a DEFENSIVE CITIZEN FORCE would cost any invaders so dearly, that they would have almost all their armies wiped out! --- so I guess that looks fairly right.

    • ozkwailo

      oi! oi! oi!

      Remember the Martin Bryant farce that Lil Johnny pulled to disarm Australia. Reeks of CIA .

    • Vette66

      Sounds like the EU to me. If you think the muslims that are taking over the countries are unarmed, you're saddly mistaken.

      They are like the crimminals in the USA. Heavily armed and with some powerful weapons. If you think those are registered you're just a dumb as the libs. If you think they (the muslims and criminals) will register their weapons when BO tells them to you're still a dumb lib.

    • Nassany

      You're wrong for accusing the wrong guy, Obama; Americans are the ones who want to disarm American whites; because paronoide white take their guns and mow down innocent Ellementaty and Pre-K 5 and 8 year old babies; every week in America some crazy American turn their guns on the innocent then kill them selves; we're tired of the horrible slaughters of the innocents!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=541404010 Joe Reid

      Nassany.....you're an idiot. I'm not paranoid and my privately owned weapons have killed no one....period. Are you so dumb that you can't grasp the concept that the bad guys are always going to have weapons because the DON'T OBEY THE LAWS......I, for one, will never be in a position to not be able to protect myself and my family. If some idiot dcides that he wants to break into my house....he will die...end of discussion. On the other hand, I'm sure that any and all criminals that wanted a house to rob would feel very safe going to your house......

    • John Cherish

      Then how about we end the millions of abortions

    • Fleur in Texas

      We have in Texas.

      No more Planned Parenthood state funding for abortions to be strictly enforced effective today, 1-01-13 New Year's Day!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BEKQKDHQCDR7CNBD46XHTJWT4Q James

      If you want to see real slaughter of innocents move to a Muslim country.

    • hollygreen9

      That happened in Butte Montana. (My home state)

    • eddyjames

      God how I love a happy ending, Brings a tear to ones eye. And the point about the knee to crotch aim, a smile. You go girl! 2 down and only 19,999,998 to go. Speedy and Paco weren't to bright and way to slow.

    • Carl Stevenson

      But in blue states, the girl's father would be prosecuted for her gaining access to it and she would be removed from her parents' custody by "social services."

    • Nassany

      The question I have is this, when will you crazy people going to mowing down Americans with your AR-15 ? Here we go again, another crazy white guy who have paroniode feeling towards liberals took his guns and mow down white people from the small town in which he also live. My opinion is this, take the guns and other weapons from white people; because, they love to kill white and black people to-much!

    • Raymond

      Nassany,
      You're just another flaming racist piece of swill.

    • vietnamvet1971

      The Phoney Hypocritical NON NEWS you mentioned would never show this to the American people it would Expose their Lies & show them for what they are COWARDS hiding behind their fearless leader with no brains or Guts "Odumbo".

    • joyfulmom

      You said it,brother.

    • jamiefox@yahoo.com

      i live in bozeman, montana - a good friend grew up in Butte who is an attorney and knows most attorneys and law enforcement in the state - this NEVER happened --
      all made up !

      Are people born
      conservative?

      Published on April
      19, 2011 by Nigel Barber,
      Ph.D. in The Human
      Beast

      Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during
      states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.

      The results are not that surprising as they fit in with conclusions from other studies. Just a year ago, researchers from Harvard and UCLA San Diego reported finding a "liberal" gene. This gene had a tiny effect, however, and worked only for adolescents having many friends. The results also mesh with psychological studies on conflict
      monitoring.

      What It Means

      There is a big unknown underlying these findings. Supposing that the size of one's amygdala really does increase the likelihood of being a conservative. Is the size of the amygdala determined at birth, or does it perhaps increase with frightening
      childhood experiences, such as authoritarian parenting and corporal
      punishment?
      Similarly, one might ask whether the gray matter difference is affected by exposure to educational challenge, social diversity, or childhood cognitive
      enrichment.
      The born versus acquired perspective on political attitudes is important to
      psychologists. After all, if political proclivities are fixed at birth in terms
      of brain anatomy, there is little hope of change. Most of us would probably like
      to see a world in which political attitudes were less polarized, and more
      changeable, but that may be a pipe dream.

      Meanwhile, the neuro-scientific fact of two very different political creatures helps clarify much of the political antics of modern democracies.

      Most societies are divided into a party that wants change (the more liberal party) and one that is afraid of change (the conservatives). The liberal party is generally more
      intellectual and the conservative party is more anti-intellectual.

      The conservative party is big on national defense and magnifies our perception of
      threat, whether of foreign aggressors, immigrants, terrorists, or invading
      ideologies like Communism. To a conservative, the world really is a frightening
      place.

      Given that their brains are so different, it is hardly surprising that liberals and conservatives should spend so much time talking across each other and never achieving real dialog or consensus.

      As scientists we hope that these results are replicated because they shed so much
      light on political behavior. As citizens, we would prefer if politicians were
      not divided into such different categories of political animal.

      If
      everyone was born with the same brain potential to acquire either conservative,
      or liberal, views, then we could be more optimistic about prospects for
      political communication and consensus-building. If voters were of like brain,
      perhaps they could be of like mind.

    • John Cherish

      all his published works are just theory's the bulk of which are unproven and just as in theory's which is a hypothesis they could be wrong with the addition of more facts. To believe this as gospel just because he has a PhD in the human beast, a self appointed doctorate does not make any of theses statements true but only presents his hypothesis. and like many of his other hypothesis's have been disproved based on empirical facts of other studies. Thus I am saying because he has a PhD attached to his name does not make this a fact

    • Never again

      Hear! Hear! and Hooooorah!.

    • CountryGirl

      As a child, all three of us kids (my brothers and I) had gone through a safety hunting course and would go hunting every year as most if the meat we ate was from hunting. I was eight years old when I got my license and my little brother was seven (everything had to be read to him, but he answered well enough to pass his course). We were raised knowing guns are not toys. You don't play with them. And ours were always loaded. We never had an issue! Why? Because wer were trained to know better. We also weren't being indoctrinated by video games that numb people to the dangers associated with guns if not taught properly.
      I haven't owned a gun my entire adult life, and I'm now thirty-nine. But looks like it's time, and time to stock up while I still can!

    • Mr.Mike

      She was State Champion in her age group in skeet shooting. In Colorado I believe.

    • gamby

      Lets keep shouting this fake story to enrage the fanatical gun owners into the false sense of " I gotta gun so I'm safe BS " You and your children are not safe from this gun obsession and the resulting tragedies

    • keepersleeper

      What an AWESOME STORY! When the good guys have equal access to guns, the odds change in FAVOR of the good guys! Thank God that child knew how to defend her life and take out the trash!

    • TexasJester

      Raymond, I know you are simply posting a story, but the guys weren't illegal immigrants, they were ILLEGAL ALIENS!

      Let's not forget the story not too long ago about the 9-year-old girl who shot the intruder in her home through the closet door when he came after her.

      Or the young widowed woman, with a babe-in-arms, who was on the phone with 911 for TWENTY MINUTES before one of the intruders broke into her bedroom and attacked her and her baby with a large knife. She killed him with a shotgun. The cops didn't arrive for another TEN MINUTES.

      We need our arms to protect ourselves and our families. For God's sake - and our children's - TEACH YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO PROPERLY HANDLE ALL FIREARMS IN YOUR HOME - and teach them how to shoot ACCURATELY!

    • TexasOlTimer

      We need more stories like Raymond posted... kudos to Patricia Harrington and her parents who taught her to shoot!

      It appears that anything is available on the black market if one wants it - be it guns, drugs or anything else. It doesn't matter if it's legal but cheaper or illegal - it's there. No matter how many laws the government passes to control guns, the only thing it is doing is exerting control.

      In Harrold Co., TX, the school district has teachers who hold conceal carry licenses (CLH) have guns at school (concealed guns). Any official help there is at least 20 minutes away. At Sandy Hook, even 5 minutes was too long a response time.

      Those with a military background have been on TV stating that they train day and night for their jobs and teachers shouldn't carry for that reason. I know that the police don't train day and night at the range nor do the Secret Service nor the pilots and air marshals nor the bank guard.

      So why is all right to have those armed guards at the White House, surrounding the President, his children at school, air marshals and pilots on planes and in banks but not to protect our children at school? In Israel they have security right - they don't pat down grandma in a wheelchair nor the newborn at the airports and they do have armed guards at school - even to guarding the children on field trips.

  • Raymond

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
    Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated.

    • Bigolfascist

      And I know one of the people who can verify that this did happen. He saw it; I went to college with him. His father's family was very important in politics and economy. There is even a port named after his grandfather, a leader of the 19th Century revolution. The Indians were openly hunted with a bounty on each. Since they were not "pure Spanish", only Indians, they were considered less human. He saw them routinely hanging like game trophy all over Guatamala City.

    • dndvaughn

      Raymond...if I was a women, I would be seeking you out for Marriage !! Don't get me wrong, I as straight as an arrow, but man, you got class. I just wish there was someway to rid this country of the "TRASH' that has aspired to the office of 'President'. As a former military guy, I should 'honor' this guy as a leader...BUT, he has not earned that position, and I will NEVER recognize him as a leader of this country, nor as a real respectful person of the GREATEST honorable position a person could achieve in our Great country ! He is right up there as a piece of sewedge floating down main street in Vietnam !!

  • Raymond

    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
    political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated.

    • slickzip

      Yep , thats what ODUMBA wants to do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/grant.halverson.1 Grant Halverson

      Raymond, Yes, Hitler outlawed Jews from having guns, too.....that is AFTER he propagated CLASS WARFARE against the 'rich Jews' (sound familiar). There are lots of similiarities with obama and communist dictators and one of the well documented strategies is the 'death by a 1000 cuts' technique.....he will chip away slowly at our freedoms and finances and come off as being so 'caring about people'. The sheeple followers will eat this up. We are the folks who are AWARE and can see what he is doing....If obama was a great patriot who loved American and believed in American exceptionalism and prosperity, the folks on this site would be rejoicing and supporting him.

  • Raymond

    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
    of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
    rounded up and exterminated.

    • Bigolfascist

      And.....my son-in-law's mother survived Dachau. Her father, a decorated WWI veteran, cared for the inmates----He had been a veterinarian after the war. Oh, those comical Nazis!

  • Raymond

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
    Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated.

    • Patty

      Most civilized countries have gun control and far fewer murders. That what a majority of Americans are supporting. They outnumber yiu. That's a good thing. Gun control will be implemented. Rant away.

    • thisoldspouse

      One man and the U.S. Constitution outnumbers millions of socialist automatons.

      Try to ban them. It won't happen.

  • Raymond

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
    about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
    up and exterminated.

    • Zod

      And in 1938, the Nazi gun control act (which GCA68 here is empirically based on), followed by the edged weapon act, followed by the (essentially) blunt weapon act.

    • Nathan51

      Yes and millions more were simply starved to death by the Communist goons!

    • johnhorse

      Raymond,I have been telling people to read The History of Gun Control.They will then understand what ovomit has in mind (if he still has one) what he will do to this Country and Citizens The History of Gun Control can be found on line.

    • oldcoyote

      Remember Odumba is just a shill doing every thing his jew puppet masters tell him to.

  • Raymond

    A democrat tries to rape & rob a woman,
    but she defends herself. Obama supporters
    fly into a rage & call the woman all kinds of
    names. :-)

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/11/just-a-reminder-to-pack-your-heat-during-the-holidays/

    • Brett Bryant

      Come on, really? Why are you willing to be so politically naive?

  • Raymond

    The Lord hath sent His Angel to restrain a demon.
    As we all know this demon known as Obama wants
    to get rid of the elderly. God has other plans

    http://www.chick.com/catalog/artprints/images/ministering_angels.jpg

    • Stan

      Yes, sorry but I'm not ready for Obamas shovel ready job of digging my own grave! You talk about inhumane treatment

  • sks

    If he can't pass gun control through Congress, just wait until the Arms Trade Treaty comes around again- (I believe sometime in March). Keep an eye out.

    • Zod

      He can NOT unilaterally sign us into an international treaty. That won't stop him from trying however, his actions to date prove that much out..

  • retiredmillwright

    Obama has a Socialist agenda which includes disarming the
    law abiding citizens of America. We have some citizens who would trade their
    freedom for a false promise of security, who just seen to beg for the
    socialists to put more of the boot of big government on their necks. Our
    forefathers gave us the second amendment so we could take our government back
    if tyrants took it over. They meant for us to be well armed. Those who would
    disarm us are either stupid or the enemies of America. The second amendment has
    absolutely nothing to do with hunting and anybody who mentions hunting as a
    reason for the second amendment are playing you for a fool, which there seems
    to be a bunch of people doing. Most of the people who want to disarm the law
    abiding citizens of America have sold their souls to the Idea of big government
    doing everything for everybody, even thinking for them, they sound like birds
    in a cage asking for more of their freedoms to be taken away.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000273964326 Denison Ridenour

      This is a very brief, concise and to the point explanation for the attack against the 2nd Amendment. I totally agree and thank you for your activism and true patriotism.

    • wontbruled

      that was awesome millwright!! You are so right it hurts, I cannot believe the idiots in this country that actually like obama, is quite sickening, I have a saying, load em if u got em, if u don't have em u better get em cuz your gonna need em

    • slickzip

      AMEN the sooner ODUMBA is buried the better off America will be ,,,,,,

    • dalek1967

      You are right. Here is a quote from one of our founders:

      "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear
      arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
      government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

      Nothing in that about self defence either. You seem to have Obama pegged pretty good to.

    • http://www.facebook.com/grant.halverson.1 Grant Halverson

      Retired, This is what I have been saying to ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN!! To all who read this SPREAD THE WORD!! Even some who are responsible gun owners need to be REMINDED what the 2nd ammendment is really for - to defend ourselves against a TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT! It has nothing to do with hunting, when the constitution was written you had to know how to hunt to eat and survive and the words do not say 'for hunting', but are VERY SPECIFIC to protect against tyranny in government! The people who support gun control are going down such a slippery slope....and don't realize that a CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT can quickly turn into a dictatorship.......especially if it's citizens are unarmed and defenseless!

    • MARYANN33

      We need to take back control now. All this is just talk..