Milton Friedman's Historic Response To Socialized Healthcare


Factoid of the day from Richard Baehr: "It is worth noting that Massachusetts adopted an Obama care plan of sorts, and now has, by far, the highest health insurance premium rates in the country. Massachusetts was not a state with a high percentage of uninsured before their health reform plan was adopted. So they got some more people insured, at a cost of much higher premiums for everybody else."

I would add to that, the citizens of Massachusetts were forced into that state run insurance program, just like you and I will be forced into Obama's "utopian" nightmare of state run health care.

Today my life feels like a bridge, coming from one generation in time to another generation in time, traveling from some blissful sunny days of freedom moving into some unrecognizable dark fog of restrictive bondage. One side of the river to the other, from eagerly accepted personal responsibilities for my own life and my family, moving into forced responsibilities for some strangers' lives. Not for friends and families' lives, but for some unknown diverse group of people who have no connection to me whatsoever. I am being asked to be responsible for people who have no allegiance to the principles I hold dear. Responsibilities to a society that now does not reflect truth, honesty, moral character, nor adherence to freedom and natural law. Today it all seems surreal. Many of the people in my own generation were closet socialists and anti-Americans and hid their subversive ideas until now. Now that a bad election has unleashed the venom of their poisonous hate for freedom. It has been a shock to find myself 3/4 of the way across the bridge of my life to see ahead a very black hole that was being dug underneath the supports of my bridge and nothing but that thick horrible fog ahead. Worse is the thought that my children and grandchildren are heading straight into that collapsing bridge and I don't seem to have the power to protect them from the collapse. I rest my hopes in God for help and guidance.

The only thing I feel I do have the power to do is to unleash my own ability to transfer what knowledge I have and can find to keep them from losing their way. Filling that black hole with better ideas, truth, and hope is all we can do at this point. Clearing away the fog long enough to catch a glimmer of enlightenment from someone who offers wisdom. Today I offer Milton Friedman, speaking on the subject of Socialized Health Care. This speech was given at the Mayo Clinic in 1978, but the message is as strong as ever.

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  • reggiec

    "Filling that black hole with better ideas, truth, and hope is all we can do at this point. Clearing away the fog long enough to catch a glimmer of enlightenment from someone who offers wisdom."
    ***
    The only way we will ever be able to fill that black hole with better ideas is if we can take back our educational system that has become a machine for indoctrinating our youth with blatant Socialism.
    ***
    The debasement of, traditional and classical knowledge, individualism and independent thinking is necessary if a government is to control its citizens and convince them to accept an ideology that a legitimate education would cause them to reject.
    This debasement must be fought against at every turn.
    Consider this statement by Vladimir Lenin.
    “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”
    Johann Gottlieb Fichte, 1762-1814 philosopher and psychologist promoted atheism and is considered the father of German nationalism stated the following:
    "Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished ... The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen."·

  • J J

    Obama is more interested in making history than learning from it. There is so little good in Obamacare - it should never have been written. Obama and all Democrats should be required to read Milton Friedman and maybe they would learn something. Socialism has never worked and yet, that is where we are heading. And remember, the wealthy can move their money and their companies to more friendly countries leaving us with less than we already have. Wise up, Washington!!!!

    • gingercake5

      It should have been a dead give-away that Obama is a socialist when Hugo Chavez of Venezuela said he'd vote for him, and Obama replied that he'd vote for Chavez.

  • TLady62

    Milton Friedman was a brilliant man, way ahead of his time.

  • Richard

    Don't despair. The future is unknown to us all. What will be will be. The only aspect of person that matters, is the person. Life is but choices, and if not one thing forcing you to make them, another will. Pass on integrity and know that what will be will be.

  • R.Young

    Step right up ladies and gentlemen and children of all ages and get your Official OBAMACARE First Aid Kit, it's free!

    • gingercake5

      One bandage in it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Micheal-Stone-Sr/100003190509303 Micheal Stone Sr.

    Unfortunately the word CONTROL means exactly what it means, destruction of freedom!

  • markinla

    Who cares what Milton Friedman says. It was listening to the idiots from the Chicago "school" of economic theory that got us into our current "free market" mess where the middle class's jobs magically disappear in the US and reappear in China.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-Osbun/100001215333702 Erik Osbun

    Liberals who want health care CONTROL, did not listen to the wisdom of Milton Friedman.

    • gingercake5

      Unfortunately, the propagation of Keynes' philosophies completely superseded those of Friedman. When I was in college, we learned both and laughed at Keynes. Now Keynes is all we have.

  • /.murphy

    The author of this article is misinformed. Friedman was talking about socialized medicine in his remarks almost 35 (!) years ago. Obamacare is still fundamentally based on private insurance. If you want us to believe what you say is true, show us where private insurance is eliminated from the equation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joel.saint.3 Joel Saint

      Not hardly. If Obamacare was based on private insurance, we wouldn't have needed an act of Congress to stick it to us.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      exactly joel

    • /.murphy

      You are sadly misinformed. Obamacare is based on private insurance. A private insurance carrier provided my health insurance 8 years ago, it still does today, and still will 10 years from today. Obamacare is fundamentally based on private insurance. If you think it isn't, then you need to pick up your phone and call a local health care insurance brokerage. Ask them the question. You'll see that I am correct.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      Then there should be no need to tax people who don't have private insurance then. There should be no need to have the federal government dealing with any of this, but the point is to break the system. That will not come overnight, but it will come for sure.

    • /.murphy

      It's a penalty. It's being called a tax because that's the only way it can be imposed Constitutionally. You would have known that if you had followed the Supreme Court case. To keep the system fundamentally based in private insurance, and NOT to go towards socialized medicine, it is necessary to get more "payers" into the system. It's the same idea that was developed at the Heritage Foundation in 1989. It's nothing new. If you don't believe me, google it and you'll see. The private health insurance mandate was not Obama's novel idea.

    • jdangiel

      The private insurance companies will not be able to compete with the government, the costs will be too great over time and companies will drop their coverage pushing people onto government coverage leading to single-payer. Obama was recorded telling union leaders that that is his goal. YOU are sadly uninformed. The law makes provisions for a panel to control costs and rule on what will not be covered, hence SOCIALIZED medicine. So much for your dreams of rainbows, cotton candy and unicorns. And this guy is WAY more informed than you'll ever be.

    • /.murphy

      Nonsense. It's the government who won't be able to compete with the private sector. That's the whole idea why conservatives want to keep government out of the economy as much as possible, isn't it? You might also talk to a successful health insurance broker as well. You'll hear a different view.

    • gingercake5

      Well said. He wants the private insurers to fail or be too expensive, so companies will drop insurance and force people into the public exchanges.

    • KarenWI

      The supreme court called it a TAX..........QUIT THE FRICKIN' LYING!

    • /.murphy

      You obviously didn't follow the case...

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      I'm aware of what it is and have writte on it murph. again, the forcing of the government to purchase health insurance is a step towards socialized medicine. you have provided nothing to say it isn't. thanks for tryin though.

    • /.murphy

      All state governments force drivers to carry private liability insurance. Is that "a step towards socialized auto insurance?" Or is it a measure of protection against people who would get behind the wheel irresponsibly?

    • KarenWI

      Ha ha ha.........just wait, obama is on tape saying he wants a single payer GOVERNMENT program and he wants government CONTROL of health care.........you just don't know how bad things will be......yet

    • /.murphy

      Post the link so we may ALL see and hear it.

    • gingercake5

      Sheesh. Don't know how to use google searches? Here is one of his speeches. Only 54 seconds to see for yourself.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

    • /.murphy

      LOL! Like the insurance lobby will embrace that! As if!

    • gingercake5

      Weren't you asking KarenWI to post a link to prove that O wants single payer, government control, etc? So the links are easily available. What is your problem? This has nothing to do with what insurance companies want.

    • Public_Citizen

      The "problem" is that" /.murphy" is most likely an alias for a paid apologist for O-care.
      The democrats have had no success in swaying public opinion among those who are actually ~paying attention~ to the goose-stepping march of this legislative travesty. They are now at the point where they are employing people to troll conservative blogs and websites in an attempt to bolster their support.
      One of the first clues to a paid troll is in the name. The use of special characters and punctuation marks, particularly as leading characters, is the first indicator. Second would be the absolutely parrotlike echoing of published bullet points in favor of the legislation. Third is the argumentative attitude and inability to engage in rational discussion without resort to personal attacks [straight out of Ruled For Radicals].
      Fourth is the inability/unwillingness to cite actual documentable facts to move discussion forward and provide a concrete point on which to anchor debate.

    • Public_Citizen

      /.murphy
      You are parroting the bullet points of a script.
      You sound like one of the dwmocrats paid apologists.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      It's fundamentally based on the federal government forcing people to purchase insurance. Goodness murph! All you can see if what takes place today, not where this thing leads to. Really want to see where private insurance gets eliminated? Watch as the coverage for "pre-existing conditions" tanks the system.

    • /.murphy

      There's always a new Boogie Man just around the next corner, isn't there? Well, Obama never came to get my guns, either, like you said he would 5 years ago.

      The mandate in Obamacare is about eliminating a good number of the "takers," and forcing them to become "payers," just like the rest of us. We're talking about a portion of Mr. Romney's 47% here. I don't know about you, but I don't think it's fair that people who bought insurance in the past were forced to pay for those who chose not to buy through higher premiums caused by the costs incurred to treat the uninsured when they became sick, and couldn't be turned away. Now it's their turn to pay their own way, instead of standing there coughing, with their hands out.

    • jdangiel

      Then is it fair that working people have to pay to support able-bodied adults and their kids? This new "law" is chock full of new bogey men and I can't wait for them to come for you. Off topic - just what flavor is the Kool-Aid, anyway? Just curious.

    • Remnant-of-the"D"

      Exactly jdangial! And if Murphy thinks for one minute this is somehow going to cost those of us that already pay for private insurance less - he/she is nuts! Our insurance premiums have tripled in the last three years! And we now have fewer choices not more/better ones!

    • Public_Citizen

      /.murphy
      T*R*O*L*L

    • /.murphy

      Yeah, yeah... we know what you are. You don't have to keep telling us. We're more attentive than that.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      ahhh and you think it is fair for small businesses to be forced by the government to provide health care insurance for their employees? or should that be a free choice between the employer and the employees? your colors are showing murph and they are communist red.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      by the way you will continue to be paying for the takers. guess you didn't get the memo on that one though.

    • Gar

      Murphy - you are incredibly naive to think that there will be no takers once the fine/penalty/tax is implemented. Btw - the cost of policing the new tax is 100s of IRS agents - where does that cost figure enter the equation? But to think that the government isn't about redistributing the health care costs across the board, much like their weak argument of "fair and balanced" tax rates, is one deluding his/herself plain and simple. What would the point be otherwise (for the govt to get involved by forcing conditions on the health industry)? To make the services better? NO. It's to make you and I pay for everyone else in one bug happy family playground.

    • /.murphy

      I didn't say that there wouldn't be any "takers"... I expect there will be fewer.

      In addition, because hospitals can't turn anyone away, we already are paying for everyone else who's not insured. That was the problem. Then, when Bush's economy tanked in 2007, many companies had to drop health benefits, reducing the number of payers further, and imposing on even stronger upward pressure on insurance premiums. Most of the HB brokers I talked to expect Obamacare to exert a downward pressure on premiums. We'll see.

    • KarenWI

      Guess what? My father was in health insurance for over 30 years, I learned a lot from him. Small health insurance companies will be out of business soon, larger companies will be told WHAT THEY HAVE TO COVER and doctors will be told who they can treat for what. The profit margins will be very low to nothing because the government also dicates how much insurance companies can spend on adminstrative costs. Funny this from a PRO UNION president.....the workers will have to be paid almost nothing in order to meet the strict federally mandated administrative costs that can be spent. If you've read ANY of the 2000+ page bill (much of it was nebulous so they can impose whatever interpretation they want to now) you will see that is is very anti business. Sorry to say people like me will be proven right and you and your loved ones will be suffering under reduced and more expensive health care like the rest of us.

    • gingercake5

      You are right. Here's Obama saying it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE