The Evil That Unions Do


What can this be? What does this mean? Simply put, are Unions today good or bad? We know that Unions had begun early with Coal Miners and helped them obtain good working conditions and the Unions did help improve the working conditions across the United States. But have they done what is right for the people or have the Unions moved into the realm of Socialist, Communist, and Marxist? This question must be asked, it must be discussed especially now when it seems that the Unions can determine national elections and when they do it would seem to indicate that Unions now back the very groups our nation has fought to stop and many lives have been lost to keep the Socialist, Communist, Marxist, and all other Anti-United States groups from becoming powerful. But in recent decades, these Unions that had helped the people now “use” the people to obtain their friends and these friends are not friends of the United States!

Before the great Depression the unions were helping to make jobs better and the money derived from dues was used to help the members through relief funds and so on, but these ideas changed soon after when the Unions were infiltrated by members of the Communist Party. Once the Unions saw this begin to happen, they cleaned house and got rid of all these Communist Party people. In 1947 Congress saw that a law was needed to stop this Communist influence within the Unions. It was then that Congress passed the Taft-Hartley Labor Act, this act made it a requirement for Unions to file financial reports and affidavits showing that none of their officers were affiliated with or members of the Communist Party.

“From the 1950s through the mid-1990s, union leadership tended generally to be politically centrist. This trend was personified by such figures as Albert Shanker, who served as president of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) from 1974 to 1997; George Meany, who led the AFL-CIO from 1955 to 1979; and Lane Kirkland, who succeeded Meany as AFL-CIO president from 1979 to 1995. When Shanker and Kirkland's respective tenures ended in the 1990s, however, they were replaced by leftists like Sandra Feldman (AFT), and John Sweeney (AFL-CIO). These individuals, along with other leftist ideologues at the helm of powerful unions, quickly transformed the labor movement into a “progressive” crusade.”

As can be seen here and at other sites not listed here, the Unions began a strong move to the left. It should be most important to mention here or maybe remind everyone that the key word in the paragraph above is “Progressive”. Once again it has to be told that this one word, “Progressive” has and is used in place of Socialism/Communism. These Union people would never get anyone to follow them if they used either Socialism or Communism as what they really want, so they replaced those words with a seemingly harmless word of “Progressive” and now this one word is looked at as being good, but it is a shadow word, one that has a meaning that does not openly show what it truly is and the Unions have today moved into the “Progressive” movement so they could disguise their real intent to move toward a more Socialist/Communist ideology. But just why did the Unions make such a wild decision?

One of the largest Unions in the nation with about 1.8 million members has had a man associated with some known Socialists. This man, according to DiscoverTheNetworks, “Andrew Stern, the former New Leftist, served as president of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) from 1996 to 2010. As Ryan Lizza, associate editor of The New Republic, notes, today’s SEIU leaders "tend to be radical, even socialist."

“In 1996, for instance, Andrew Stern told SEIU officials that he expected “every leader at every level of this union, from the international president to the rank-and-file member, to devote five working days this year to political action” in support of the Democratic Party and its candidates. Meanwhile, another major union, the National Education Association (NEA), has assembled a permanent, paid, full-time staff of at least 1,800 United Service (UniServ) employees who function as political operatives -- more than the Republican and Democratic Parties combined. Beyond this, leftwing unions like the SEIU and NEA contribute huge sums of money to Democratic candidates during every election season.”

Trevor Loudon, former vice president of ACT New Zealand, a political party that promotes free-market classical liberalism in the New Zealand Parliament, writes:

"[t]he U.S labor movement is now completely dominated by socialists and communists."

In March 2011, Loudon reported that 96 union leaders and activists from 26 states had recently gathered for an "Emergency Labor Meeting" in Cleveland to “explore together what we can do to mount a more militant and robust fight-back campaign to defend the interests of working people.” This closed-door meeting was endorsed by many of the most radical socialist labor leaders in America, including affiliates of such groups as the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, the Democratic Socialists of America, the Communist Party USA, the Party for Socialism and Liberation, the Socialist Party USA, and the International Socialist Organization.”

Now this does not represent nor help the working people of the United states. It is more like a bunch of union people at the higher levels gathering together to see what they can do to make the United States become the United Socialist States! President Obama is also in line with their ideas or he would not have met with these leaders first, before those in Congress. What good could be had with a meeting of a bunch of people that are in deep affiliation with socialists and communists. Remember, Richard Trumka, the head of the AFL/CIO, has done the following actions:

“During the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Trumka said: "There's not a single good reason for any worker, especially any union member, to vote against Barack Obama." By Trumka's telling, whatever anti-Obama sentiment existed among American voters could be attributed largely to the racism of "right-wing race-haters" who "just can't get past the idea that there's something wrong with voting for a black man."

In February 2009, President Obama named Trumka to his Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

On September 16, 2009, Trumka was elected president of the AFL-CIO, replacing the retiring John Sweeney.

On November 3, 2010 -- the day after mid-term elections in which Democrats lost 6 Senate seats, more than 60 House seats, and 7 governorships -- Communist Party USA Labor Commission chairman Scott Marshall emphasized that his organization had worked collaboratively on political campaigns with Trumka.

On February 18, 2011, Trumka revealed the extent of his involvement with the Obama administration: "I'm at the white House a couple times a week -- two, three times a week. I have conversations every day with someone in the White House or in the administration. Every day."

During his career as a union leader, Trumka has aligned himself with the agendas of the Progressive Caucus on numerous matters, most notably opposition to welfare reform and support for a single-payer healthcare system.”

Here it is shown that Trumka, the head of the AFL/CIO, of which all unions are a part of, aligns himself with the agenda of the Socialist/Communist Caucus, or more commonly known as the “Progressive Caucus”. This should be very troubling to many union workers because they actually believe that the union is working to make a better work place for them while the union heads are sitting at the table with socialists and communists and supporting their ideology, which the union members will end up hating. Our nation will become a poor and miserable place to live.

The protests on Black Friday by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and other unions against Wal- Mart and others are taking place with the idea to increase wages, which will increase the prices at these stores to cover the higher pay they would have to pay the workers if they do get the Wal-Mart employees to join a union. The protesters are being used by the unions so they can obtain even more money to elect more progressives that will help them obtain a single wage that everyone would make. It is a very bad situation because the unions do not really have the employees concerns in mind. They are just looking at the additional dues they can collect to place into their PACS for the election of more politicians that support the Socialist/Communist ideology!

“Now it has to be shown that the 1.8 million-member Service Employees International Union (SEIU), which ranks among the largest and fastest-growing unions in North America. Led by the former New Leftist Andrew Stern from 1996-2010, SEIU is a major component of the so-called “Shadow Democratic Party,” a nationwide network -- conceived and funded by George Soros and his political allies -- of unions, nonprofit activist groups, and think tanks whose agendas are ideologically to the left, and which are engaged in campaigning for the Democrats.”

DiscoverTheNetworks has so much information about why these unions want to have the United States “changed” into the Socialist/Communist state. This alone should scare and make people question why the unions have aligned themselves with the Socialists and Communists! Why do the unions do this? The unions were first developed to help the people and protect them from the huge corporations that nearly made the workers nothing more than slaves. But today, all the labor laws and rules that have come about due to the first unions that actually worked for better working conditions, have helped the people that are not in unions. What has to be looked at very closely is the Shadow Democratic Party, which is a very bad group and they only have one purpose and that is to rule with an iron hand and control all phases of government and corporations. This group encompasses nearly all the union heads and that is not a group with workers true concerns at hand.

As noted by the posting of the Tea Party National Director, it can be shown that some of these union actions are based directly upon one or more ideologies of either, socialism, communism, facism, or even Marxism.

Terminology is everything. Are we using the correct words to define the edicts being issued by the Obama Administration that ignore Congress and the government system that the United States has in place?

Let us first take a look at the definition of Socialism so we can begin to understand what the Unions have jumped into with their members not even being aware of unless they are blind!

so·cial·ism

[soh-shuh-liz-uhm]

1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

socialism (ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm)

1. Compare capitalism an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.

2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system.

3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need.

Now this shows just what these unions are stating. The people need their union leaders to “direct” them to a better and more “equal” standing where everyone makes the same or very close to the same amount of money while working at a government owned facility that is not based upon profit, but just to keep the people working for the elite, also known as the politicians, to continue to show just how good they are at helping the unions and the people. Now as we can see from the definition of this one word it is almost the same idea that most of the unions have and that is they wish to be paid more, while at the same time they want cheap prices. If one looks at what the unions do, they always seem to force companies to accept the union and then they get mad when the companies raise the prices to pay the new union workers. Black Friday seems to have brought out the socialist unions in force and the best part is that it is the unions that want things to change, not the workers at Wal-Mart!

We had worked at unions and found that had the union not been there, the people still had ways to go to file complaints against the company and win. But the unions want all the people to join them and that will end up costing the very union workers more money. A very good example of this is the Auto Workers Union. If one pulls into the parking lot of one of their union shops, the people would see many more foreign cars than the very cars and trucks they get paid extremely well to make. Why? Because they want the cheaper, foreign car over the much more costly car or truck they make big bucks to make. How does that work for you? Is it any wonder that one sees more foreign cars on the road today than ones made here in the United States?

Now what about the word-Communism?

communism (ˈkɒmjʊˌnɪzəm)

1. advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community.

2. any social, economic, or political movement or doctrine aimed at achieving such a society.

3. ( usually capital ) Marxism Marxism-Leninism See also socialism a political movement based upon the writings of Marx that considers history in terms of class conflict and revolutionary struggle, resulting eventually in the victory of the proletariat and the establishment of a socialist order based on public ownership of the means of production.

4. ( usually capital ) a social order or system of government established by a ruling Communist Party, esp in the former Soviet Union.

5. chiefly ( US ) ( often capital ) any leftist political activity or thought, esp when considered to be subversive.

6. communal living; communalism

What do we see here? It is that Communism is closely related to both Socialism and Fascism. But Marxism, the one developed by Karl Marx, is the one President Obama studied while he was at Occidental College. It really does not matter which one of these ideologies is connected to the unions. What does matter is the fact that they are even associated with them! Unions were at one time very good, but today with the leaders of nearly all the unions going to the extreme left, they do not represent the people as they had begun to do. If the unions are aligned with these anti-business, anti-United States, anti-individual ideologies, then why should anyone be a part of them if they do indeed believe in freedom and the Constitution? These unions now seem to vilify the very things our nation was built upon. The question now becomes, what good is the union if they do not represent freedom and the Constitution? Ask that the next time a union member asks you to help them.

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  • rchguns

    At one time unions were an absolute necessity but that time is long past. Unions now I'm more trouble than they're worth. The only people they protect other substandard worker. You have a young person who's doing a great job, full of energy, and outperforms a lazy over the hill worker. The hard times come who gets fired the useless lazy employee stays on and a good worker is fired. Or in the place of teachers you have teachers who relate and teach their students and you have teachers who come in right stuff up on the board and do not teach but endeavor to indoctrinate our young people in the social misfits of an antisocial criminals. At this point in time our schools are some of the worst in the world and that's because we have some of the worst teachers. Teachers they could give a darn about the students and are more worried about getting more money for less work.

    Police unions protect Bad Cops, just like teacher unions protect their teachers. You can find it anywhere their unions they always protect the lowest common denominator in reality could care less about the worker. You think I'm wrong look at hostess 18,000 people put out a work, no paychecks, nothing. But the union bosses and other union officials they still get their paycheck, benefits, retirement so don't tell me that the unions protect people they don't they're there to get rich.

  • lrhopkins

    Didn't bother to read the story. . . I am a former AFL-CIO and UAW union member and have seen unions change over the years. . . They have went from beneficial to useless to now being VERY harmful. . . . I will no longer even buy union made goods ! . . . When the unions have no work they will have no jobs and therefore no money to buy power with and they will cease to exist. . . . THAT is why their backup plan is to unionize all Guvmint Workers, because you can't fire them or quit purchasing their goods and they know it ! . . . My country is FAR more important than any union ever was !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Vieto/100000372915035 George Vieto

    No wonder they act like spoiled children.

  • TLady62

    This article more than underscores the reasons I detest unions and believe they will literally be the death of the United States of America.

  • E. Kistler

    I do not totally agree with your comments about the "Evil" of unions. Like alot of things in most cases they have outlived their usefulness. One of the good things I will say about the AFL-CIO is that when Bethlehem Steel and the Union created the pension program it was made so that Bethlehem Steel could not touch those dollars in the pension fund. I can't say the same of the union that was at New Jersey Zinc in the Palmerton Plant. When Gulf & Western bought the zinc operation their first move or one of the first was to clean out the pension fund because there were no efforts made to ensure that it would remain intact. So there you have an example of the pro and con of the unions. In my on situation, I had a personnel need of the union but was told to more or less get lost. The workers who are union members have to look to replacing the leaders. Just like in Washington, they are only concerned with what is best for them. Also, yes I am a life member of the AFL-CIO but that say I have to or will agree with everything they do or want.

  • har82

    I joined the - Pipe Fitters Union back in 82 just because they ,, were the only ones who had any work in the area back then.

    For the next 3 weeks people, you would not believe ,, the things they wanted me to believe and go picket for ,,,,, instead of go to work. Ohh, and I had to - pay - them for this right to picket no less..

    Needless to say, I have - DESPISED - ,, unions ever since then. Its leaders ,, are nothing more than a communist crime syndicate.... Plain ,,, and Simple ... And that is - ALL - ,, unions in this country.
    Never forget ,,, - communism - has spread in every country its taken over by way of a

    - peoples labor union - AND THAT MY FRIENDS ,,, IS A HARD ,, COLD ,, FACT ....

    • lrhopkins

      Yep ! . . . You become the cancer that devours you, especially when the unions are involved in Government jobs !

  • retiredmillwright

    Unions once did some good, but in modern times have just
    became a way for the socialists to be tapped into the paychecks of the working
    people of America through high union dues that union bosses give them. Millions of dollars of union dues go straight into the pockets
    of the socialist politicians through the union bosses, who do not give a rip
    that the socialists are trying to kill our constitutional rights every day. The
    union bosses are all about feathering their nests of power, money and special privileges.

  • R.Young

    Unions, the best thing that could have ever happened for Amerikas workers. All jobs in Amerika must be unionized, in cluding the U.S. Military!

    • mudguy1

      Do you don't even know what FREDOM is. You can't even spell AMERICA. You need to move to Russia they spell AMERICA way you do.

    • R.Young

      FREEDOM is just another word for NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE!

    • mudguy1

      You really don't know the meaning of FREDOM. When we lose our freedom we have lost everything.

    • R.Young

      Our Freedoms whave been erroding away for many years and now all Loyal Subjects of the current Regime are will to let them go in the name of SECURITY!

    • lrhopkins

      I sense you are making these statements in the vein of irony, no ?

    • R.Young

      SARCASTIC and I have a Smart Mouth Attitude, it's a natural defense against DRAMA, BULLCRAP and STUPIDITY!

  • jsmithcsa

    I believe unions are unspeakably evil. They serve no useful purpose today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/arleen.blackstone Arleen Blackstone

    First hand experience: both my husband and my father were royally screwed by unions. Unions have outlived their usefulness. The only ones who benefit are the elected union officials. And you know what happened to Jimmy Hoffa...well, you Don'T know what happened to Jimmy Hoffa. Point well taken.

  • stoptheworldandletmeoff

    As a former member of the UAW all i can tell you is they are just another big business now with a thirst for money and power and a disregard for the membership other than a source of income and votes to get what they want.

  • Bobseeks

    Unions are one of satan's most effective tools. Jesus will deal with them harshly when He returns.

  • Raymond

    Christians are being silenced all across America: in the political debate, the public square, the schools, the workplace, and even in the sanctuary of their own churches. Read these signs of the times:

    - Christians threatened with prison for protesting the homosexual agenda.

    - Employees of Fortune 500 companies fired for quoting the scriptures or forbidden to display family pictures in their office cubicles because they offend homosexual employees.

    - Christian churches ordered by the government to perform lesbian marriages.

    - “Antibullying” programs explicitly promote homosexuality in public schools.

    - Municipal workers forbidden by the city to say “family values” because those words constitute a hate crime.

    - Proposed federal laws supposedly aimed at preventing employment discrimination that would make discrimination against Christians the law of the land.

    - Other “antidiscrimination” laws make Christian charities illegal.

    - Secularist liberals in Congress seek to censor or bankrupt Christian broadcasters.

    - The IRS “cracking down” on Christian pastors who oppose homosexual propaganda in schools, abortion on demand, or same-sex marriage.

    - The real impact of same-sex marriage? Any criticism of homosexuality would be legally defined as bigotry. Christians who protest could lose their jobs, go to jail, or see their churches shut down by the government.

    - The Christian haters are becoming an elite class of super citizens whose moral views are actively sponsored by the state while Christians are increasingly censored, penalized, and even prosecuted.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PTIF6KGUK7QASUBRKKR5A6LM2Q Tod

      Well Raymond who do you think Jesus would of voted for???Answer;NOBODY,Jesus didn't concern himself with government dealings,and were to walk in Jesus footsteps. God chooses all our leaders,and when we don't follow his 10 Commandments,like keeping his true Sabbath and celebrating God's Annual Festivals forever,and instead worshipping on the first day of the week, and making up man made holidays by blending Christianity with Paganism to make up Christmas and Easter instead of living by every word of God and our bibles,God gives us leaders like barry that we can't take down even when the Whole World knows he's not even a U.S. citizen.Only God has that kind of power, not barry. And the Devil fooled the Whole World !!! Nowhere in the Bible does God, or the Bible tell us to celebrate Jesus birth ,or death,but to walk in Jesus footsteps and honor the same as he himself celebrated.

    • Raymond
    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PTIF6KGUK7QASUBRKKR5A6LM2Q Tod

      What's this Raymond more of your comic book religion ?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PTIF6KGUK7QASUBRKKR5A6LM2Q Tod

      Just looked,it was. Raymond Watch any Sermon on lcg.org instead of your Man Made comic book religion,and finally maybe learn some real Wisdom.

    • mudguy1

      If God chooses our leaders why should anybody even vote. When we follow in Christ's foot steps he will tell us who to vote for. People like you are part of the problem that we are in as a country and thats who we got Obama in the White House. God will hold us accountable for not doing our part in combating evil. You give a wrong impression of the Bible believers you represent you are in the minority. If you think Christ was not political why was in in the temple throwing out the money exchangers out. We are not a Theocracy God has given us the ability to choose our leaders. By not voting we let leaders that are evil take control we are responsible for the evil that takes place. True Christians do set down and just let bad things happen. The only way bad things can happen is for good men to do nothing. God dose not intend for bad thing to happen to his people. God fearing people will vote for God fearing people. Just because some don't believe the way you do dose not mean they are not God fearing.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PTIF6KGUK7QASUBRKKR5A6LM2Q Tod

      Why do you call me Lord,Lord and not do as I say? Breaking one Commandment is the same as breaking all Commandments .You don't live by bread alone but by every word of God .

    • lrhopkins

      HE knows our failures and shortcommings better than we do, even before they come into play. . . . HE also knows what is in our hearts and will forgive us if we repent. . . . It's not necessarily how many times you fall, but more importantly how many times you get back up and continue on the road to salvation. . . So sad you choose to belittle that which you do not know, and I say you truly do not know or you would not blaspheme the name of the Lord for you surely will be lost.

    • mudguy1

      Your answer makes no sense at all.

    • tod

      That's because you have ears but cannot hear and eyes and cannot see.What I'm telling you is for those who have ears to hear,let him hear.

    • mudguy1

      Much learning has made you mad.

    • William

      Mudguy1, I agree with you. Politics and governments are man-made, not made or controlled by God. He leaves that up to humans, but he holds us responsible for what we do with the power and money that falls into our hands that are supposed to be used legally for the good of the people. God does not choose our leaders for us nor install them on their thrones, irrespective of any scripture that says He does. God doesn't meddle in politics, but those humans who do should be guided by His laws of love and righteousness.

    • tod

      God's warned almost every generation about blending Christianity and Paganism ,when the bible talks about under every green tree on every high hill he was speaking about it if only you had ears to hear and eyes to see.

    • mudguy1

      God also warned us that we could be listing to the wrong voice. You still have not given a coherent answer that makes any sense at all about the comment I made. My comment was not about mixing Christianity with Paganism which I agree with. It could be that you are not seeing and hearing what God wants you to see and hear. It is clear what religion you are coming from. And you have given a negative impression of them.

    • lrhopkins

      Not celebrate ? . . " Do this in remembrance of me."
      Doesn't concern himself with gov'mnt ? . . "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's."
      On one hand you say He doesn't concern himself . . . . Then go on to say he chooses our leaders . . . ?
      I agree with parts of what you say, but other parts, well, not so much !
      This is not meant as an indictment, merely an observation.

  • Raymond

    What do the top ten cities
    (over 250,000) with the highest
    poverty rate all have in common?

    Detroit, MI (1st on the list)hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.

    Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.

    Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.

    Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.

    Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.

    St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.

    El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.

    Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.

    Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn'telected a Republican mayor since 1952.

    Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.

    Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing
    over and over again and expecting different results.'

    It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats
    yet they are still POOR!

    Stupid is not fixable.

  • Raymond

    Two Texas Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on Hwy 77, just south of Kingsville, Tx.
    One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles approaching the town of Kingsville .. The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour and climbing.
    The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and then it suddenly turned off.
    Just then a deafening roar over the Mesquite treetops on Hwy 77 revealed that the radar had in fact locked on to a USMC F/A-18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying exercise near this, it's Naval Air home base location in Kingsville Tx.
    Back at the Texas Highway Patrol Headquarters in Corpus Christi the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the US Naval Base Commander in Kingsville for shutting down his equipment.

    The reply came back in true USMC style:
    'Thank you for your letter....

    You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it shut down. Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also automatically locked on to your equipment's location. Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status, and was able to override the automated defense system, before the missile was launched to destroy the hostile radar position, on the side of Hwy 77 So. Of Kingsville ... The pilot suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the video systems on these jets are very high tech.

    Sergeant Johnson, the officer holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It appears the filling is loose.. Also, the snap is broken on his holster.'

    Semper Fi

    • har82

      HAHAHAHA, gotta love the Marines lol.

    • TexasJester

      Love it!! Raymond, always look forward to your posts - they are without fail either quite humorous, very informative, and insightful..