Socialized "Christians" & Government Theft

There is a quote that is attributed to Abraham Lincoln that goes like this: "You can't help the poor by destroying the rich."

Whether or not Lincoln said this has been questioned. But nonetheless, the tenet stands.

The following quote is from the late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005) who was the pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church and founder of Love Worth Finding Ministries.

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

So I tackle the hard subject of what Christians in America are being taught about the role of our government. As far as I know from my Christian teachings, Christ was all about personal charity and compassion for the downtrodden. Period! The key word there being 'personal.' Christ, as far as I know, did not suggest that a government bureau or the reigning class should have the right to take from some people to give to others. There is no biblical teaching that I can find where God says it is O.K. to steal from rich people to give to poor people. Or that says, it's O.K. to steal from anyone, rich or middle class, to give to someone else. In fact, biblical scripture teaches exactly the opposite.

Somewhere along the way, Christian churches in America have nearly collectively decided to condemn wealth, create an atmosphere of guilt among the middle class, and encourage people to tolerate the intolerable. Ministers are admonishing Americans for their own hard earned livings and telling them, in order to be a "good Christian," they must support the designated poorer class through government policies. Ministers tell their flocks to vote for diversity, give understanding to criminals, tolerate other faiths who are sworn to kill Christians, and tolerate all kinds of behaviors that are anti-Christian. Affirmative Action is one example of this. (Ask Thomas Clarence, Thomas Sowell, or Walter E. Williams what they think of that dastardly scheme.) Welfare is another. Medicaid and Medicare are further examples. Social Security and the The Community Reinvestment Act are yet other examples. The new Affordable Care Act is the latest example. On and on and on.

So, I would like to ask good Christians across our country, what gives the government the right to steal from you to give to another? Can you recognize the difference between theft and charity? Do you know the difference between force at the point of a gun and a gift from the heart? What is the proper role of government? Where in the Constitution does it say that stealing from some people to give to others is the way of our America?

And asking another serious question, why would ministers do this? This push toward government collectivism was not part of my religious catechism when I was growing up. Church teachings used to be about your personal commitment to God's laws, not about giving over your spiritual or physical energies to a government agency. Do you think it might have something to do with protecting themselves from government intervention...i.e. if they don't play the government game, will they lose their exempt tax status? Said another way, what would happen to these churches if ministers actually stood up to the government and if preachers told the truth about government stealing? When did being a good Christian become a reason to vote for force from government to take from my neighbor to give to someone else? Theft by proxy? Do you suppose God thinks that is just fine?

There is something going on in the way of collusion, either voluntary or not, between the Christian Churches in America and the government. Some invisible pressure is being brought to bear. The successful are being told to feel guilty by both the churches and the government. That much is clear. The middle class is being told to feel guilty for living in a country that used to afford opportunities for all. The entire country is being told to be ashamed for living a better life than those poor third world countries who struggle or those poor in our midst who didn't work as hard as I did, or as hard as you did. Our hard working citizens are being told it isn't fair that we have what we worked to earn, but rather we have too much. We are being told in churches and by government to feel guilty about everything, the air we breathe, the land we till, the homes in which we live, the goods we manufactured, the ability to buy what we need, the very life we live. And churches, along with government are in the business of playing on the guilt they try to make you feel. And, in the process, the churches and the government now are holding hands in a collective propaganda operation to fleece the flocks.

Well, I guess I'm not playing the game. I don't feel guilty. I feel grateful for the life God gave me to live in a country for some years that recognized that God blessed us with this gift, along with the lives and blood spilled to save us in defense of it. I don't believe that gives the government the right to steal from me to give to others without my consent. I have no choice in the matter as long as I have some income from my work. The government, politicians, have taken that right by force. That is not God's law. That is not to say, I don't believe in charity. I do. But I don't believe in theft. I don't believe God says I need to regret and feel bad about whatever small successes I have had in life. I don't think you should either.

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  • Donna Louise Johnson

    Amen. "Social Justice" has infected our churches. God loves a cheerful giver, and I am not happy to give money to a government that promotes the death of innocents and deviant sexual behaviors.

  • rah

    until our churches realize that they are worshiping the gov instead of God because of the tax status, things can only get worse. our God is a jealous God and He tells us so.

  • servant

    If MR: ACORN insists upon taking ALL the wealth from ALL with a wage/payscale of $200.000 or more, HE can run his huge government less than 30 days!
    Because there are only a few in that group, but the MIDDLE CLASS, well folks that's where the money ins because we are nearly 200,000,000, thus he has many more pockets to steal from!
    1. b y tax increases and removing deductions
    2. By the huge inflation of the money supply, thereby making you dollar worth much less!
    Do YOU know that the 1996 $1.00 had... yes HAD, the equal purchasing power of a 1905 NICKEL? And the 1996 $ has lost some 30% of it's value to date!
    Just to show you that inflation is the most cruel of all taxes, because it hits those on the bottom the hardest!
    SADLY these hardest hit folks are also the very same one who keep voting the Dems into office, is that not ironic? They keep kicking the very ones that put them into office over and over and over!

  • ARMYOF69

    WE do need the country protected, so I am very willing to pay a reasonable fee towards that, and to help those that cannot help themselves. SKREWTHEREST.

  • Mare Hohnholt

    The Bible does teach personal charity - Welfare and medicaid are not charity. People did not freely give that money. When I give freely, then it becomes charity. The BIble also teaches to pay ones taxes. Taxes should be spent on running the government and the community, not pay for "charity."

    The bible also teaches not to give to the poor who do not work with the parable of the talents or as some Bibles say bags of gold. The Master (boss) went on a trip and gave his servants (empolyees) 5 talents, 2 talents and 1 talent. The servant with the 5 talents invested and made 5 more talents. The servant with the 2 talents made 2 more. They were both called good and faithful servants. But the servant with the 1 talent buried it and just handed it back to the master. He was called a lazy and wicked servant because he did not at least put it in the bank to make interest. That talent was taken from him and given to the man with the 10 talents. Just the opposite of what our government is doing.

  • DD 823

    All churches need to band together and take action by putting pressure on our elected officials . . . or they will be marginalized out of existence. Now is not the time to turn the other cheek!


    Was not the income tax supposed to end after the first world war was paid for and wasn't the Federal Government supposed to be financed by a tariff imposed on imported goods?

    Didn't the first few elected congress' serve WITHOUT COMPENSATION? It's no wonder Jesus has turned his back. Look what YOU'VE DONE----IDIOT !!!!

  • jimpeel

    The welfare state is the result or abrogation and abdication.

    Charitable organizations had always taken care of the poor but the poor knew there was a limit to their benevolence. Charities would give temporary assistance to those in need so they would have a chance of recovering and bettering their circumstances. The poor knew this was not a career move.

    Then came the government and they started giving charitable help to the poor. The difference was that the government aid was without end. It was permanent, not temporary, and the poor soon found that out. The poor started to make welfare a career.

    So it was by the abrogation of government of a service which had always been provided by charities and the abdication of that duty by those charities which has led us down the path to where we currently stand. The charities simply threw up their hands and willfully gave over their duties to the government. They did not, however, give up on seeking charitable gifts to their organizations.

    Through the years, the charities have used more and more of the monies they take in for "administrative costs." The United Way and Red Cross are notorious for high administrative costs. The Salvation Army has low costs and the Children's Miracle Network has zero administrative costs.

    Read the article here entitled "Charities With the Highest Admin Costs."

    There is also this site which tracks the administrative costs of over 5,500 charities.

  • mickey

    First of all,, Pastor Rodgers didnt write all of that... Pastor Rodgers knew tht social security and medicare are not charity or hand outs,, they were fully paid in advance by the working people that are elegible to recieve them.. I am one of those,, I along with millions worked and invested in the social security/medicare program,, badly run by the government,, it is not a hand out by any means.

  • 2012 Watcher

    Amen. God rewards us for our work, he does not expect you and me to give away our blessings. Perhaps that's where we erred. Those who work hard and grow from their earnings have failed to praise God for the good health and job that made our success possible. Therein we became cold to hard work pays rewards and began to expect more for what we earned, forgetting God or giving him praise for our doing good. This opened the door for our government proclaiming we have too much and must share with those who have nothing, or less than I have. Charity was changed by the churches to the word "love" in the process, and have received God punishment for those who think themselves wiser than he. Charity is an act performed without thought of self, but for the need at a given presence and time. It is unconditional, without merit, and from a pure, honest heart. Let's put charity back in the Bible and teachings, and responsibility back into need.

  • Greg137

    Ecclesiastes 6:1-2= I have seen another evil under the sun, and it weighs heavily on men: God gives a man wwealth, possessions and honor, so that he lacks nothing his heart desires, but God does not enable him to enjoy them, and a stranger enjoys them instead...
    This is meaningless a great evil.
    The Bible knew about socialism long before Marx came around!
    You reap what you sow, and that is also biblical too!
    Socialists seek the perfect world which does not exist...
    Ecclesiastes 7:20= There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. Everyone is a sinner with the only historical exception of Christ who is God in the Flesh.. Hence the Socialist pursuit of a perfect utopia is essentially a chasing after the wind.. Young people now days have been fooled into supporting barack Obama, because of the teachers unions.. We need to get rid of the NEA... And all of the Left!!

  • richardcancemi

    It's called brain washing and it's been going on for a hundred years. Our nation has been bound up as in a spider's web by the 'poisonous' Democrats/ Progressives/ Socialists. Half of the general population react like automatons waht Lenin called "useful idiots". They are thrown a scrap now anf then and they are as happy as any dumb animal.

  • Bob Marshall

    " I am for doing good to the poor, but i differ in opinion to the means.I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving thm out of it. In my youth i have traveled much, and i observed in different countries , that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer, And on the contrary, the less was done for them , the more they did for themselves and became richer." Benjamin Franklin

  • Gail

    Come on you guys. The point is that we worship Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Our country is in trouble and regardless of where you go to church, in a building or a park, or with your bible in your living room, we all need to pray for our country. We as believers can't turn on each other now...

    • Beverly Alfonso

      Many believers already turned on each other - last week's election proved it! If anyone should have known better than to vote for the person and agenda that won, it should have been those who worship and obey Jesus Christ! His agenda doesn't include abortion, same sex marriage, redistribution forced by government, lying from the top to the American people - all anti Biblical stances, BUT the uninformed and easily duped did just that! All of America is now affected - not just the ones who made the future of America devastating!

  • Phillipe Violette

    They are not taking from the rich and giving to the poor they are taking from the middle class who pays most of the taxes and giving it to those who don't care to work.

  • Justin Time

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

    • Skeptical_Boomer

      Again, Jesus advocated "personal charity". I don't recall a gospel passage where he advocated, be charitable to the poor, or else I expect the government to take it from you and spread it around. If the rich choose not to be charitable, that is between them and God. They will have to account for themselves in the afterlife.

    • mickey

      I'll bet that you have no idea what that means,, but you throw it out there with no explanation.. I would bet you dont even own a Bible!!

  • poor grampa

    Maybe YOUR church preaches like that, Mine does not. You are criticizing what you don't know. Perhaps YOU are Not a BELIEVER??

    • mickey

      Did your pastor do what thousands of pastors did before the election???Tell them not to vote for a morman?? Stay home and dont vote!!!!Thats why we still have a muslem in office..

  • Krazeehors

    Well, MY church certainly doesn't advocate this garbage. They advocate Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.

    • Ray Downen

      Well, good for your church. But let's remember that a church is people. It's not an organization It's not a building. It's people who love Jesus and serve Him daily. And one member is not able to speak for all the members. This writer says: "I feel grateful for the life God gave me to live in a country for some years that recognized that God blessed us with this gift, along with the lives and blood spilled to save us in defense of it. I don’t believe that gives the government the right to steal from me to give to others without my consent." I agree!

    • Krazeehors

      I agree with you, however, Jesus did tell the people to give their first fruits to God -- NOT the government!!
      And EVERYONE in MY church advocates FOR Jesus Christ, period.

    • Dale Robbins

      If I was a betting man I would bet you that not 10% of any church gives the required 10% of gross income that God tells them to. I know there are some who do but many more do not than do. That is a fact. I have been in church all my life and it's always a small few that carry the whole load. God usually gets a couple dollars or if someone had a really good week and they feel good it may be a $10 or $20 but nothing more. But the Bible does teach that giving to the poor or needy is to be done willingly and in addition to your tithes.

    • Krazeehors

      I am very well aware of that, sir. Our church ALSO gives to the poor and needy. We are a mission oriented church and I am really happy to be a part of it as well as a part of Christ's kingdom.

    • mickey

      A national survey done sometime back,, shows that 18% of so called Christians give back to God the 10% that he demands.. The other 82% voted for the muslem I guess.

    • 2012 Watcher

      How about the "church" is the people saved by the Grace, Mercy, and gift of God's son, regardless of color, race, gender, religion or any human standing. The church is God's people all over the world. That leaves out those violent, terrorist group who call themselves a religion, or worship some human prophet or other human deity. That church is "hands off" to government, and if the people stay prayerful and true to God's teachings, it can overcome. Just look how the people who fought to come here to America were blessed. Every building in Washington, D.C. has love, honor, and recognition of God's Blessings on this country. Why else would the devil be working so hard to take God, the Commandments, and all Biblical symbols out of our American life?

    • ricbldwn

      But many churches do.