Mitch McConnell 'Bursts Into Laughter' At Obama's Fiscal Cliff Proposal


Apparently Barack Obama's fiscal cliff proposal is so one-sided, partisan, and ridiculous that Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell says he "burst into laughter" during the talks on Thursday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner explained the Obama administration's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff.

The Weekly Standard reports,

Geithner’s visit to his office left McConnell discouraged about reaching a “balanced” deal on tax hikes and spending reductions designed to prevent a shock to the economy in January. “Nothing good is happening” in the negotiations, McConnell says, because of Obama’s insistence on tax rate hikes for the wealthy but unwillingness to embrace serious spending cuts.

Geithner suggested $1.6 trillion in tax increases, McConnell says, but showed “minimal or no interest” in spending cuts. When congressional leaders went to the White House three days after the election, Obama talked of possible curbs on the explosive growth of food stamps and Social Security disability payments. But since Geithner didn’t mention them, those reductions appear to be off the table now, McConnell says.

This is what I've been saying all along. Neither side has been putting forth real spending cuts. If something has been put forth as a cut, it's always been in proportion to the growth of spending and therefore not a real cut. It continues to grow spending.

In addition the Daily Caller reported that Obama wanted more stimulus and be allowed to control the nation's debt ceiling. Neil Munro writes, "President Barack Obama has dramatically upped his demands in the fiscal crisis negotiations: He wants Congress to levy twice as much in extra taxes from Americans as he urged during the election campaign, give up its control over the nation’s debt limit, and fund an immediate $50 billion stimulus for his political priorities."

"In exchange, Obama offered to consider," Monro wrote, "but not necessarily accept — GOP proposals for cutting $400 billion from Medicare and other programs strongly favored by off-year voters."

Geithner in this case demonstrates that he really doesn't understand economics at all. In an economy that is struggling you don't come in and burden the people with $1.6 trillion in tax increases and not cut spending.

House Speaker John Boehner said in a closed-door meeting on Wednesday, “We’ve staked out a principled position. It’s important that everyone in this room continue to be clear with our constituents about what that position is: We’re fighting for spending cuts. We’re fighting against increases in tax rates that destroy jobs. And we’re fighting for pro-growth tax reform and entitlement reform, the keys to economic growth.”

Well I certainly hope so, though I'm not sure with all the commenting on tossing the tax pledge to the wind by Republicans helps to give me a lot of confidence in just how hard the fight will be. However, I'll wait and see.

According to Democrats that are involved in the process, they realize they will more than likely have to cave to cuts to entitlements in order to make a deal.

A top Democrat official said, “Republicans want the president to own the whole offer upfront, on both the entitlement and the revenue side, and that’s not going to happen because the president is not going to negotiate with himself. There’s a standoff, and the staff hasn’t gotten anywhere. Rob Nabors [the White House negotiator], has been saying: ‘This is what we want on revenues on the down payment. What’s you guys’ ask on the entitlement side?’ And they keep looking back at us and saying: ‘We want you to come up with that and pitch us.’ That’s not going to happen.”

With that said Obama's most recent budget proposal demonstrates that he is unwilling to deal with real spending cuts.

One thing is certain at this point and that is according to Speaker Boehner "no substanitive progress" has been made.

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  • joev

    B.S. is B.S.no matter how you look at it. Our current government is reprehensible. I want to see deep cuts made and not more out of control spending! Damn them...

  • kkc003

    First, Obama has to get his "house" in order, he spends like a drunken sailor who can take him seriously when he spends, spends, spends..... Cuts need to start at the White House, no more trips, parties, concerts, galas ( you have Camp David you can go to or use your own money to vacation - not citizens $$),
    then cut all govt jobs back to 2009 wages.
    All govt employees need to be on time with taxes and drug tested (if they fail, they lose job- never to re apply either),
    no Obama care (that's a money pit), all people on any benefits have to be drug tested to get benefits,
    no benefits for illegals, no money to nations that hate us- ever!,
    NO cell phones for welfare people, they can buy their own if they have a job!
    People on welfare need to live 2 families to one house- its welfare, not the ritz. you dont like it- get a job! If anyone moves into apartment that is not approved- you lose benefits- that means no more loser boyfriends mooching off of your welfare!
    Get rid of FDA and TSA and make them private enterprises-(4 regions in the USA, East, West, South and North, to be run independently (private) and audited by another region annually NOT govt controlled. They also can not be unionized!
    Cut IRS workers 25% january 1.,
    Cut fraud in govt agencies - private enterprise can find fraud since the govt can not- such as fraud with medicare etc.,
    Freeze all govt pay on all workers for 5 years.,
    Govt workers have to take the same medical care as all other US citizens on average. No Pork at all- ! I never want to hear another word about global warming! its a lie.
    And reduce taxes for any company any size who has 100% US workers on US soil ! Bring jobs back to the US of A. Lastly allow drilling in all states and we can be a seller of oil, not a buyer!
    Oh and get out of the UN - those people are criminals- let them survivie without the usa!

    • henry bowman

      I'd like to see: Take welfare? No voting for you

    • rosech

      I agree. You are not paying taxes, hence you do not have any skin in the game! We know they will vote for their selfish ways and against a great country. They do not appreciate America and its Constitution but only if they can have what they want on our dollars.

    • SuzanneCN

      Great ideas.

  • ginger

    Time to clean house in D.C...these clowns forget why they are there...or perhaps most of them are there to enrich themselves and to heck with the country. Disgusting..I too would laugh if it weren't so serious. McConnell has it right...hope he and a few others keep their word to us and not cave. (I"m not holding my breath). I am at the point of dismissing ALL the regs and "laws" of the past four years and disregarding them all.

  • looneytoonsindville

    Obama himself is a joke but nobody is laughing!

  • ReduceGov

    The Republicans through Ryan have placed numerous proposals on the table that Dirty Harry Reid threw in the waste basket.

    • ginger

      Can someone with some common sense please explain to me how that one senile old man can hold up the entire country????

    • http://www.facebook.com/nicholas.trull Nicholas Trull

      Ginger; there have been many of us that have warned about this, for a long time! There is an agenda, being worked out and, although voicing your opinion with your representatives (which I highly encourage), is a great thing, we must expose those that are at the roots of this 100 year long scenario that is being played out!

    • henry bowman

      oh that is so true., so many don't realize that this has been going since Wilson

    • ginger

      I am stuck with Boxer and Feinstein and between them they have the integrity of a gnat. The always vote the party line ...no matter what.

    • MARYANN33

      A gnat has much more integrity than those simple minded fools.

    • ginger

      so true/

    • Stan

      Because he can? There is nobody to challenge him, least not any I've seen!

    • ginger

      seems to be the case.

    • MARYANN33

      Dirty Harry is dirty alright.

  • Tiredofsocializm

    The speaker of the house should have one more press conference and here is what he should say "It has become apparent that the President really does want the fiscal cliff. He and his party will get the balanced approach he claims that he wants taxes will go up on everyone and all social programs and defense will be drastically cut and this will balance our duvet and reduce our debt. We support him in this effort"

  • http://www.facebook.com/macantrell Melissa Ann Cantrell

    Impeach him

    • rebel

      I agree and put him in prison

  • Mercyme

    I hear that Switzerland is a great place to live, but alas Obama and George Soros would find their way there and destroy that country as well, not to mention bringing along their union bosses!

    • rosech

      Probably they wouldn't go to Switzerland because everyone HAS TO OWN weapons and be ready at all times to fight! Love it! We should do the same and am so glad that
      gun sales have skyrocketed in the last year and half. Yea!

  • dpsinohio

    I love Monte's comment about making Obama pay for his vacations. Maybe Michelle will then think twice about labeling their kids as "senior staff" and taking a $425,000 vacation to Africa for a safari. This Washington group needs to start paying their own way and get off of our backs!

    • DSmith6605

      When we go on vacation we have to pay for our vacations so why shouldn't they have to if they did they would stay home and on the job more.

    • Deb

      You mean you actually get to GO on vacation?! We haven't seen a vacation since this hoodlum took office, and we're STILL expected to pay for this Muslim!

    • DSmith6605

      I hear you I didn't mean me I can't afford a vacation I am retired on SocSec and for 2 years Obama didn't give us a cost of living raise said the cost of living didn't go up but at the same time congress gave them selves a cost of living raise of $3000.00 a month that is more than twice as much as my SocSec check is a month wonder how there cost of living went up but not mine.

    • DSmith6605

      ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO NOW IS THAT
      OSAMA BAMA IS A MUSLIM > WHAT DO MUSLIMS DO > DESTROY > HE HAS ALREADY
      DESTROYED THE UNITED STATES FINANCIALLY / NEXT STEP > SOCIALISM / .
      COMMUNISM / MARXISM / ETC / YOUR TAKE OVER DICTATOR GETS WHAT HE WANTS WITHOUT
      FIRING A SHOT > TRUE HITLER FASHION> THE ILLITERATE DUMB STUPID IGNORANT
      FOOD STAMP WELFARE LYING LAZY SHEEPLETS FOLLOW INTO THE SLAUGHTER HOUSE > BE
      HONEST WITH YOURSELVES > IT'S TRUE !!!

      "BO MUST GO"

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.bernett.1 John Bernett

    There is no more "debt ceiling" we spent too much already and it is gonna crash on us.....now to see how much we can get before we are refused. its at last option. hope we all bought some sort of security when the buck was worth a buck this whole deal is REALLY gonna hit the kids just graduating H.S. and then its so f'n huge their kids and grand kids, and probably their great grankids get to pay for our foibles. aint we done ourselves proud?

    our kids get a 3rd world country.......with obama tellin em how good it is. we are truly screwed.

  • sha49tn

    If they aren't going to make REAL spending cuts, & NOT from our military, it's not going to get any better. Even if the Republicans DO cave on taxes, it won't fix the problem. You can't keep spending money that you don't have. Eventually, reality WILL hit, & that is NOT going to be pretty. IF I could afford it, I would definitely find a new country to call home.

    • Dustin

      We need to set aside our creature comforts and take back the one we already own. remember THEY WORK FOR US. Obama and his FEMA Army are already waiting for us. Its either kick ass or be subjected.

    • Somekindofpatriot

      There is no better country, never was, never will be, period, stand up and fight for America before it's too late. Call your Senators and Congressmen, get involved on the local level, spread the word about Agenda 21 in your home town.The focus of Agenda 21 Sustainability is the abolition of private property, the societal undermining of the family, and the abandonment of Constitutional protection of our unalienable rights as described in the Declaration of Independence. http://polymontana.com/agenda-21-summary/ If we let them, this administration will hand over control to the United Nations all the while leading from behind, then when things are completely out of our control they will turn around and make the president king, pharoah and caliph in chief all rolled into one. The most important thing we can and should be doing at this point is praying for God's forgiveness, thanking and praising Him for His amazing grace, then thanking and praising Him for America, all it has afforded us, and the world, as the greatest nation in history . Amen

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/D2RSFYLCINMEZQKQRSC4KM6SCA Patty

    Well, I'm all for Impeachment for being an incompetent idiot and trying to lead with out any brains. Its beyond me why he is still in there! Do you realize he's taking his whole family and secret service to Hawaii from 12/17/12 to 1/06/12 at our expense? I have Hemp rope if anyone wants a linching?

    • del

      that would work well for me and millions other if only!!!!!

    • BoxingKitty

      Only if you take care of Uncle Joe at the same time. Can't have HIM become POTUS!!

  • Dustin

    Time to kick the tea off the dock again

  • vet

    Let him through his tantrum and sit his ass down and explain to him how to create a budget.Just say no.

  • Gorba

    Basically, the GOP should let the tax cuts expire and the automatic spending cuts go into effect. That way Obama & the Democrats own the fiasco. They will then quickly back track and be interested in a deal when the automatic spending cuts kick in. Then the GOP can offer a deal to keep some of the spending cuts and have Obama agree to tax cuts. But unfortunately I don't believe the GOP has the "Cajones".

  • http://profiles.google.com/pudbertsavannahga Mort Leith

    ODumba55 wants to CONTINUE to destroy our economy in order for his to declare Marshall Law and himself as DickTater of the Socialist States of America....

    • Old Observer

      The plan is to destroy our economy, eliminating the middle class, leaving only the super rich and the poor---then sign us up for the global govt the UN plans---he knows an America with a strong economy would never stand for this, so he has to ruin us to accomplish it!

    • ginger

      And doing a darn fine job of it isn't he???? Seems the "people" have the guts and integrity,,,D,C. not so much.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Peterson/100003526607299 Jesse Peterson

      Not 50.8% of the people. They want want the gravy train to go on.

    • rosech

      Ah, but the gravy will not last long with no taxes going in from jobless people, rich people moving out of the country, and companies closing down or laying off more people. Then what Obama do? What will the ones who make it a life living on charity via taxes? Hmmm.

    • ginger

      you are right. that is what is wrong with this country now.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H6J3TFF72CJO56C2QAY5Y5UTXU germeten

      This "plan" as you call it has been ongoing, at least 40 years, with the economic deconstruction/outsourcing of US jobs and factories. You TEA partiers like to harp about spending, but it's really hard not to spend on entitlements that address human needs like food & housing because without those, people perish. This wouldn't be true if there were more jobs. Simply reducing entitlements won't bring jobs back, there are too many people in other parts of the world who globalists found will work for peanuts, 7 days a week. Anyway, start cutting entitlements without creating more jobs and you will have social upheavel at your doorstep, and these people would not be altogether "wrong" for rioting, given how government policies toward business (no worker stake in factories, letting companies raid retirement accounts, or moving capital assets overseas, as if they were one person's property, put one russian billionaire in prison. TEA party members share the philosophy of 'puglicans and business class (bankers) and investors for the most part, i.e. that the average person is entitled to nothing, and therefore easy to disenfranchise. That is a hostile environment in which to compete, your type tend to deem as normal or natural; some people don't do well under those conditions. And it's also very anti-Christian, whatever you have to say to the contrary. The world has improved in many ways, but reptile-brains keep trying to drag US back to the tar pits. This last election, the majority of Americans rejected your views.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Peterson/100003526607299 Jesse Peterson

      We do not need to "staple a green card to the diploma of every Foreign STEM graduate" when there are 1 million unemployed or underemployed STEM professionals in America,

      We do not need any more immigration, legal or illegal. Only about 10% of them are skilled.

      We don't need any more insourcing (H-1b) or outsourcing.

      We need to bring our manufacturing back home.

    • rosech

      Thanks to Bill Clinton for NAFTA and the start of joblessness here. Thank the Demos who have been in power in the Congress for 40 years of not doing anything about the border and thank them for wanting open amnesty which means more legal Americans out of work, even professionals! What this means is an even dumber society in this country.

    • Hoosier Mo

      Tea Party members believe in the philosophy that those who are able should take responsibility for their own lives, and that those who are old and/or helpless need a certain amount of government assistance. Unfortunately, the bleeding heart liberals believe the entire population is helpless and wants big government to supply their every need. The result breeds dependency and greed (can you say "Greece"?) It's the old Cloward and Piven strategy -- overload the system until it collapses under its own weight.

      Most Tea Party members I know are of average means, not rich by any standard. Most of us hold Christian beliefs, and do care deeply about the less fortunate -- we give because we want to, not because the government mandates our charity. Also we don't necessarily identify as Republicans. We are more precisely Constitutional Conservatives, and have as our goal preserving our Constitutional Republic from destruction by the tax-and-spend frenzy promoted by the liberal/progressive/socialist/communist forces trying to bring the country down.

    • rosech

      Right on! I stopped giving to the homeless through our church because they took the clothes, sleeping bags, etc, and sold them and then return each year for more. I give directly and I like giving to our wounded military, especially. I give to those I know who really need it, not those who take and take and never give nor even say thank you, but ask for more!

    • FOLLOW 1010

      SORRY, AMERICA WAS NOT BUILT ON ENTITLEMENTS, I WAS TAUGHT YOU WORK HARD, TRY AND GET A GOOD EDUCATION, SAVE AND EVEN CREATE JOBS I WILL GET AHEAD. I AM NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING IN THIS LIFE. WASHINGTON THINKS THEY ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING WE THE PEOPLE CREATE AND MAKE. THATS NOT WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON. GET OFF YOUR "I'M ENTITLED HORSE" AND GET A LIFE!!! TEA PARTY STANDS BY THE WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON, AND THATS NOT ENTITLEMENTS!!!

    • rosech

      We support those who were laid off or in dire straits, but not those who have made it several generations living on our tax money and there are plenty of those right her in my town. 3-6 generations who never "find a job" and don't want to, but want to have the big TV, the SUV, and buy lobster with food stamps. Think again and really look around you. They wouldn't starve if they had gotten an education and a job, but hey why do that when we saps are paying their way. I was a Costco the other day and Mexicans were lining up to buy BIG TVS and expensive toys, but little food.

    • Joseph C Moore USN Ret

      Marshall Matt Dillon (from the series "Gunsmoke") is not going to step in, you meant to say "martial (military) law".

    • rosech

      Not socialist, but communist. Loved it when the Pravda printed that we were stupid to elect a communist president, which I have been saying for the last 4 years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monte.williams.716 Monte Williams

    Let's start by making obummer pay all the expenses of family vacations, golf, White House parties. He's had more vacations in 4 years than I've had in 40.

    • Ellie

      I agree with you about their expensive vacations and the way they spend our money. Let them pay for their own as we have to. Also stop giving freebies to all the illegals who broke the law by coming here using fake ID and social security numbers, they even get food stamps, housing benefits etc. This isn't right, how about all the unemployed and they jobs they would have if we would stop bringing in foreign workers to do their jobs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Peterson/100003526607299 Jesse Peterson

      The care and feeding of the HNIC costs us $1.4 billion a year. Let's start cutting there.

    • timpclimber

      Make the President pay for using Air Force One when making political speeches. that would save a bundle.

    • rosech

      He was supposed to, but you know Obama, he never will because he is the "messiah"!

    • Anne_PA

      And speaking of which... Wonder how many $Millions THIS is going to cost the taxpayers?

      Obamas’ Extravagant Hawaiian Holiday Plans

      http://minutemennews.com/2012/11/obamas-extravagant-hawaiian-holiday-plans/

      Residents living near the beachfront homes where President Barack Obama and First Family vacation with their friends every year since 2008 were alerted
      on Monday to some specifics of the Obamas’ holiday vacation plans.

      The report delivered to residents living along the ocean and canal
      that surrounds the multi-million dollar homes at Kailuana Place where
      the President stays, informed them of restrictions that will be
      implemented for 20 days beginning December 17 and running through
      January 6.

      In a matter of weeks, Kailua residents will see the familiar street
      barricades fronted by U.S. Secret Service agents and Navy Seals and the
      U.S. Coast Guard stationed in canal and ocean waters.

      The President, who spent some of his childhood years in Hawaii,
      brings his wife, two daughters, Sasha and Malia, with dog Bo in tow,
      each holiday season. They settle into the small town community known for
      its spectacular sparkling beaches, warm turquoise ocean, rolling surf,
      country shops and restaurants and friendly people.

      The homes where they stay are just a two-minute drive from Kaneohe
      Bay and the Marine Corps Base Hawaii, where the Obamas and friends can
      access private white sand beaches and military workout facilities.

    • Robert

      Talk about rank and its privileges, all other Hawaii newcomers are forced to quarantine their pets for several weeks. The law used to be 6 months in the 90’s and was reduced to 4 months and eventually down to 2 weeks because I made this a personal cause when I lived in the islands. I left in 2008 and it is still a law on the books and now you can bypass the State facility on Oahu and have your pet sent directly to your prospective Vet on the outer islands for the two week stay. All of this is nothing but a money maker for Hawaii and doesn’t matter if you have paperwork on the pet from birth on. This is yet another example of Obama’s arrogance and hollier than thou attitude. Why can’t he just vacation in
      his Chicago home? All of his relatives and any friends he may have had in Hawaii are no longer there. There is no proof that he was really born there anyhow (yes I guess that means I’m a racist birther who does not buy the photo-shop copy) and I notice that Kapiolani Hospital has always been mum on the topic and microfilm, so he needs to stop the expensive facade.

    • Anne_PA

      Oh Robert, don't even get me started!!!

      I have thought from the very beginning that there was much more evidence that he was never born in Hawaii than "evidence" (and I use the term loosely) that he was. The final blow for me was when he had that bogus BC uploaded on the WH site, and my son-in-law who is a package designer and works with Adobe and Illustrator, etc. every day, was able to layer that document and tell me what was bogus and how he knew.

      Call me a fellow "racst-birther" too.

      And here's another little tid-bit. For the eight years Pres. Bush was in office, he and Laura spent the holidays, especially Christmas, at Camp David, in large part, so the Sec. Service wouldn't have to spend any more time away from their families than they had to.

      Obviously not a priority with the Obozos.

      These Hawaii vacations are nothing more than a thumb in the eye to every American, and class-warfare at its finest. No different from all the commie countries... Obvious distinction between the "haves" and the "have nots." And especially with so many people out of work, and losing everything they have.

    • http://twitter.com/theoldstorytell Gary Alan Adkins

      The people didn't send Barrack Obama to the White House to take a vacation on us every week! He thinks he is above the law & so far he is! White House Classified leaks,Fast & Furious & executive orders, Benghazi where they watched Americans die! We can go into Pakistan without permission to kill Ossama Bin Laden but we are afraid to offend Libya to save our own people. What if it had been the President trapped in the middle of TERRORIST'S. Do you think they would have let him die? All hail to the 1st. King of the United States!

  • Anne_PA

    Actually, I'm just a little amazed that every Republican in the room didn't just stand up and walk the hell OUT!!!

    • Dave

      I'm not, the republicans act like they've been castrated.

    • MARYANN33

      They certainly do....They are a do nothing bunch of slaves to government..They make a good wage for life and do not have Obamacare. Why would they care about Americans?

    • oldwaryur

      they simply lack the spine to do that.

    • Anne_PA

      I'm afraid you're right, and what a disappointment.

  • aryton senna

    Fortunately, I had sense enough to vote with my feet and wallet in 2003.

    ret expat MD

  • retiredmillwright

    For years now there has been one heck of a party going on in
    Washington. The business of running America sets on the back burner. They spend
    like they have won the big lotto, it’s not their money. Well the small monkey
    on our backs called government has grown into a full sized gorilla. If we do not
    put this gorilla on a severe spending diet all the taxes in the world won’t be enough
    to feed it. I am old and retired and my share of taxes is already heavy, and if
    taxed any more I fear I will have to find myself a good dry road bridge to live
    under.

    • babygirl825

      when you FIND that bridge, the epa will find a toad or something that will be declared an endangered species, and YOU will be removed and fined for trying to live there !!

    • Harold

      DITTO; With these nincompoops in the this adminstration, we'll have to do something. Isn't that why the Colonies rebelled against England?

    • Mercyme

      That is why the Tea Party was formed! Thank goodness for all of us that are that concerned about our country that we go out and declare our unhappiness with what is happening to our great country.

    • groberts116

      The Tea party was funded and promoted by the Koch brothers. What was thier motive for forming the Tea Party movement? The guy we should listen to is Warren Buffet. He has no problem announcing that his secretaries tax percentage is higher than his. Please consider what Mr Buffet has said.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Peterson/100003526607299 Jesse Peterson

      Quit spewing the NPR crap, libtard. We Tea Partiers are paying for our own movement.

      BTW, the hypocrite Buffet is fighting a $1 billion tax bill with the IRS right now. It seems that the really rich like to prevent others from getting really rich.

    • retiredmillwright

      Good post Jessie! As a tea party member I too pay for all of
      my expenses, transportation, hotel rooms, tee shirts and food. I make my own
      signs and wear out my own shoe leather. I make sure all the trash gets picked
      up along with the other tea party people. I believe in smaller less expensive
      and less intrusive into our lives government I enjoy all the freedoms left to
      us in the constitution and hope to help save them for the young people of
      America. I strongly object to what Obama and his socialists are doing to
      America. I have fought for this country and worked hard all my life and will not
      give up without a fight. Mark this old man down as one who will not go away quietly
      into the night.

    • LadyforLiberty

      God bless you retiredmillwright!

    • Chicot

      As well as all those government employees in obama's administration who owe the government in back taxes and no one is going after them for payment, neither is the main stream media making an effort to expose this fact.

    • fridihem

      So whats a billion here or there.......chicken feed..............................especially when the USA has UNFUNDED LIABILITIES exceeding $120 000 000 000 000.....................$120 trillion

    • disgusted democrat

      Another squak from the turd bird from across the sea. Butt out turd bird as you have no dog in this hunt..................................!!!

    • fridihem

      Yet another arrogant reply from a sh1t for brain imbecile

    • Truth goes 100 MPH

      Hey Frid; How come your country sends the unemployed to Norway?

    • timpclimber

      Warren Buffet made his bundle buying up companies and selling off the assets. If he believes so much in taxing the rich let him set the example by giving 20% more in taxes. Don't hold your breath waiting groberts.

    • Palrak

      Let's have him pay his back taxes first. He is such a hypocrite.

    • Hoosier Mo

      The Koch brothers don't have anything to do with financing the Tea Party. The Tea Party and other patriot groups like the 9-12 Movement are entirely self-sustaining. We dig deep into our own pockets to finance things like printing voter guides and educating the public on issues, candidates and elections. And a lot of us (myself included) are retired or semi-retired, with fairly limited resources. We just feel so fervently about saving our country from destruction by the progressive/socialist/liberal agenda, that we are willing to sacrifice our livelihoods to protect the future of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren (and yes I have 3 great-grandkids). If you and Warren Buffet want to pay more taxes, that's fine. I'm sure Obama will take your money.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

      Amen HOOSIER ! Trouble is they don't care if we live! They got our money over the 55 years and now want us dead !! Warren Buffet & the likes have screwed people their whole life and now want US to pay ?

    • Nassany

      No sir, Mr. W. Buffert want the rich guys to pay higher taxes; he is the first to come out against keeping the Bush tax cut for people who make over $250,000.00 he is a good man. The Republican Party is the one who took away most of the safty nets that Americans who hit hard times or the so-called lazy American could get; remember Newt Ginrigh with the contract with America' George Bush Jr. who reduce section 8 by $20 Billion, Bush Sr. change your triditional retirement and employers provided health insurance which was subsidize by government. Do you want me to keep going? Any way it wasn't the Democrats, it was the very same nice folks who now disguises them selves as so-called Tea Party members. They can't fool me because I have cammonsense.

    • groberts116

      There is no way I can prove that the Koch brothers are funding the Tea Party Movement. However, I think it’s fair to ask if your 100% sure the Koch brothers are not funding the Tea Party Movement Warren Buffet does pay a lot more in taxes than his secretary, but as I’m sure you are aware Buffet’s income is from capital gains and not ordinary income. His secretary pays taxes on ordinary income, which has several different brackets. If her income is between $60,000 and $85,000 she is giving up 25% of her annual income to taxes. Most of the wealthy receive income though capital gains, thus their tax rates are 15%. If your retired as I am, than you as I pay taxes on our IRA investments not on capital gains which would be capped at 15%, but as ordinary Income, which is bundled with our pension and social security. Your and my annual tax rates are subject to the ordinary income tax brackets, which means that we are taxed at anywhere from 20% to 30% depending on our total income. Paul Rand on a CNN interview claims the wealthiest of America make up 50% or more of the nation’s revenue. Paul Rand further stated that raising taxes on the wealthiest alone would do little to affect the national debt. If it’s true that the majority of the wealthy are paying taxes based on capital gains at a rate of 15% and that 15% makes up 50% or more of our nations revenue, than another 5% or 10% would greatly help reduce the national debt. As far as Warren Buffet is concerned, he probably is as bad as any of the wealthiest in avoiding paying taxes that are based on ordinary income brackets. The wealthiest of our nation I’m sure worked hard for their money, but so did you and I. If we are in the 20% to 30% annual tax brackets so should the wealthiest. Explain to me how waging a war on borrowed money is conservative. President Bush projected the Iraq war cost would not be above $50,000 or $100,000. His financial analyst reported on ABC or CNN before the war, that the war would easily exceed $200,000…..he was immediately fired. For six years the Iraq war was not included in the national budget and was borrowed largely from China. The cost of the Iraq war alone was $100,000 annually. Over six years that comes to $600,000 and that does not include compounded interest. Add the compounded interest and the total cost is above 1 trillion dollars for six years. Borrowing that amount of money and paying the compounded interest can in no way be called conservative budgeting. If, as you suggest, Obama has a socialist agenda, than you and I are caught in the middle with no representation, because than the executive branch would be pandering to the bottom income class on welfare and the legislative conservative class is pandering to the very wealthy. Either way, as the middle class, our future looks bleak. Social Security, Medicare and Military pensions are all considered entitlements and all are being targeted for cuts. My concern is how will that affect our income?

    • Vette66

      President Bush projected the Iraq war cost would not be above $50,000 or $100,000.
      Did you forget a few zeros here. No war as large as the one we went off to can be fought for $50,000 to $100,000. Heck the pay of 3 PVTs, well maybe 4 PVTs, would eat the amount up. A days worth of ammo would cost more than that.

    • Ron G

      Vette66: Had to force myself to read more then the first three lines of groberts66 comment. It confirmed the fact that he doesn't have any idea what he is talking about. I don't have any idea where he gets his figures, but wouldn't it have been great if 6 years in Iraq had only cost $600,000 dollars! Obama spends more then that in one day flying around in Air Force One.

    • LadyforLiberty

      Ron G: Divide $600,000 by $17 TRILLION to get the percentage attributable to an ex president since December 2008!

    • RonMar

      There is no such thing as "the Iraq war," or Afghanistan war either. we have been in a world war with Islamic jihad terrorists declared again by them since about the mid-1970s.
      So far they are winning, and they are well-positioned here in the US already and have been for some years.
      Terrorism is a method of waging war, not an enemy. Anyone who does not identify an enemy properly cannot fight the enemy, let alone win against the enemy - Islamists, adultery, alcohol, tobacco, gambling, the foregoing together, or whatever.
      The fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan - Obama‘s Stalingrad/Dien Bien Phu - Yemen, Somalia, North Africa and elsewhere is only battles in the world war, like the attacks on the WTC, Pentagon and US embassies for some years now.
      Please search online for Worldwide Terrorist Incidents, focus on those since the mid-1970s involving Islamic jihadists. Then you can see what I am telling you.
      Republican Presidents have been doing far better than Carter, Clinton and the current usurper, thief, pretender to the Office of POTUS/CINC. Again please search online for U.S. Presidents List, compare it with the Terrorist Incidents list, then you can again see what I am telling you.
      There are an estimated 7-10 million Muslims in the U.S. of the world’s 1.9 billion claimed by Islamic leaders. That is up from 5 million estimated 10 years ago. I believe the 7-10 million is a low-ball figure. No one knows for sure because our Census laws do not allow us to ask about religious affiliation.
      All Muslims say the same shahada - confession of faith - There is no God but Allah. Muhammad is Allah's prophet. That sets the stage for taking over the world for Allah, the establishment of a worldwide caliphate with Shar'ia Law, etc.
      Obama has said there are 2000 mosques, Islamic societies and such in the U.S. now, up from 1200 10 years ago. Obama should know due to the strong influences on him by Islamists and Marxists, his installing Islamist and Marxist operatives in his tyrannical, despotic, evil regime, and hosting hundreds of Islamist visitors at the White House for consultations with him.
      The Islamists include Valerie Jarrett - Obama’s closest advisor, born in Iran - and SecState Clinton’s advisor Huma Abedin with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
      Again you can search online and get maps of the locations of: 1) the mosques, etc., 2) Islamic jihad terrorist fundraising sites, and 3) Islamic jihad terrorist training sites in the U.S. The mosques, etc. and fundraising sites maps are near mirror images. The training sites are under Jamaat al-Fuqra.

    • Vette66

      Being retired military I'll not agree or disagree with you. What you hear on the "news" and read on the internet isn't quite right.
      If you served in the military, you know this.
      If you served, thanks for your service.

    • RonMar

      Thank you for your service. I served in the military on active duty 21 years, 38 years total in uniform, 4 years in Southeast Asia beginning in '65 and in other combat assignments to the removal of the Soviet-surrogate Cubans from Grenada.
      I don't trust any US and few overseas media. I use the Internet only to access foreign news sources including friends worldwide who live where the news is happening. I spent an hour this afternoon on Skype with friends in Israel getting the truth, facts and real current events news on what happened there earlier last month (Nov) and since.
      My contacts there include Israeli Jews, Arabs, Muslims, Christians and members of other ethnic and religious groups in the region including Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon currently. My contacts in Syria are unreachable right now.
      I have little-no doubt about what I post here. I never use only one source. I have a wide spectrum of contacts here also including Afghanis, Iranians, Jews, Jordanians, Pakistanis, Saudis, Turks, etc. from various faith beliefs. I know first hand of fundraising for Islamic jihadists in mosques here, and two Pakistani brothers, US-naturalized citizens were arrested yesterday or today in South Florida for plotting against the US with weapons of mass destruction involved.
      Briefly put we are in a world of Shi'ite especially with Obama, and most people are unaware - ignorant - and don't care, don't want to hear it. I believe it scares them.

    • LadyforLiberty

      RonMar: I agree totally with your post. Unfortunately for US Citizens the present President is DEMOCRAT!
      History shows that only Republican Presidents, (With the exception of FDR) stand up for America against aggression!

    • RonMar

      True of FDR and HST with the additon of the word effectively. Democrat presidents have a habit historically of getting the US involved in wars and lesser conflicts and pursuing the fighting ineffectively. Examples include HST - Korean Conflict, JFK and LBJ - Southeast Asia, Carter in the loss of the US Embassy in Iran and horribly botched rescue attempt, Clintoon - Bosnia, Kosovo, pursuit of Osama bin Laden and the end in Mogadishu, Somalia with the Black Hawk Down fiasco.
      Also, Obama presently in the battles in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya - both his using the US military without even consulting with Congress and the Benghazi tragedy that he created, US troops in harm's way with Jordanian military on Jordan's border with Syria, preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons and delivery systems while providing weapons and ammunition to Islamic jihad terrorists, e.g., Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria, al-Qaeda in many places including Africa, etc.
      Briefly put Democrat presidents are inept at providing US national defense. Obama not only has not protected our borders, he is also guilty with Holder of the Fast&Furious providing weapons and ammo to Mexican drug cartels. They are disgusting and dangerous to themselves and others, yet they keep getting elected, or in Obama's case stealing elections through massive voter fraud.
      There only two conclusions sane, half-way intelligent people can reach: US voters are insane and stupid voting against their own best interests in large ways for the little hand-outs they get, and they deserve exactly the government that they get in their insanity and stupidity.
      Unfortunately others - always about half of US citizens - must suffer as a result of those who vote for Democrats in their insanity and stupidity.

    • LadyforLiberty

      Erm! Pres GW Bush LEFT OFFICE before Obama began his reign of incompetence.
      The debt that GWB ran up is a PART of that $17 TRILLION debt cliff that has continued since 2008. Obama`s Washington has been unable to do anything, as the President, (look it up if you do not believe me), when an agreement was finally on the table between the Dems and Repubs, demanded at the final hour TAX Raises....his mantra!
      So the deal which could have ensured that fiscal debt did not get so enormous was torpedoed.
      By a left leaning (his IS Democrat isn`t he?).President with an agenda which includes dodging the Constitution and Congress by use of EX Orders, and signing into law a measure under "Terror" fears which neatly removes the Innocent until Proven Guilty, from people targeted by a State Institution!
      If all that does not mean anything to you, wake up.
      The silence of the WH on the Islamic takeover of Egypt should ring warning bells.
      But it will not!
      For half USA is asleep and the other half are complicit in the whole "Change" agenda!
      Wake up folks. This President CANNOT stand again. His "OUT" date is 2016!! Unless of course his "Change" plans include tinkering with two term limits???

    • Ron G

      groberts66: Read your first three lines. You say you cannot prove something, (probably just something you heard), but you say it anyway and tell others they have to prove you wrong. I didn't read the rest of your comment. Why should anyone when you accuse someone or a group of something, then say that you cannot prove it. But because you said it, someone else has to waste time proving your statement wrong. You sound like Harry Reid.

    • RonMar

      You can't prove anything you say, but that doesn't stop you from saying it. That's one of the big reasons you have no credibility.

    • boccagalupe

      You and your math both SUCK!!!

    • Nassany

      You are a funny person; I feel sorry for my children and my grand-children; because, if this beautiful country America have to-many folks like you in it then their future look lousy; just kidding, there're plenty og smart folks like me in this country; we will work hard to steer this country on a straighr path.

    • Ron G

      I was born in this country. I went into the service the beginning of Viet Nam and stayed in until we started reducing the number of troops in Nam. I've worked all my life and at 70 I cannot afford to retire. You came into the country in 73 and retired in 2009 at the age of 53. Something is wrong with this picture.

    • Nassany

      Ron G. this country America, it's a big beautiful country and anyone can make it here, but in order to do so, they have to be smart and be able to avoid getting caught up in the nonsence talk; they will have to understand the American culture; a good country but some of its people can be cruel. I just stayed focus.

    • Truth goes 100 MPH

      Nass: You worked hard and fullfilled the "American Dream." What some are trying to say is that they object to people who come here illegally, siphon billions of dollars from the economy and send money to "their country." I too was in Vietnam as was Ron G. but see it just a bit differently than he does. You held a job where you were able to retire and that is wonderful. I am eligible to retire and collect SS but I decided no to. We just want the man in charge to stop spending our hard earned dollars. You cannot spend your way out of debt. You of all people should understand that. Please forgive some folks but understand the anger they feel. We all grew up with core values that we now see disappearing. Our families, churches and schools taught us many things but this guy now wants to punish people that have saved and barely made it by so our kids would not have to endure what we had to endure. I sense you are a good person and love this country as much as I do. Keep the faith.

    • LadyforLiberty

      Truth goes 100MPH: Great post. Many agree with you 1000Percent.
      God Bless you and God Bless America!

    • Anthony Butler

      With forty years in the United States behind you, you should have a better command of the English language.
      Just a thought.

    • Nassany

      Anthony, yes sir, I should have a better command of American English; I use my time learning how to be a decent, caring, and a honest American; Another way that I use my time was to find a company to work for who's signortory to a union contract; I also used my time figuring out how to save some money, because I wanted to retire at a young age; which I did accomplished; finally, I used my time practicing how to be a intelligent American, so I was quite busy all those years.
      I must tell you this, speaking perfect American English, wasn't as important to me as learning how to understand and respect my neighbors rights and feelings; I didn't want a life of being on the defensive against the citizens of this country, race or their belief. I feel very proud of myself for not being a hateful person; although, I don't have a better command of the English Language.
      I am not suffering from an inferior complex like some folks in this beautiful country.

    • Nassany

      It is not true that the Koch brothers don't fund the Tea Party; have you ever heard the name Grover Norquist? where do you believe his funding come from? The Tea Party I believe started with a good idea to protect working Americans, but it was highjack by big money people whict turn the Tea Party on its self; example, the Tea Party begin arguing against Wall Street for ripping off people saving, taking our homes, and also for the lack of good paying jobs. The money people who control the media then turned it around to complaint about abortion, guns, welfare Obama Care, and the Mexicans / illegal allians. The reason for the very low turn out for the last two Tea Party protest march, is because the intelligent folks who march in the original Tea Party realized that they were taking over by the very same group of folks they protested against.

    • http://twitter.com/theoldstorytell Gary Alan Adkins

      Du? OK Boo,Boo!

    • groberts116

      Ok, Ok I admit I have no idea whether or not Buffet is avoiding payment on all the taxes he owes. However, Buffet’s income is from capital gains and not ordinary income. His secretary pays taxes on ordinary income, which has several different brackets. If her income is between $60,000 and $85,000 she is giving up 25% of her annual income to taxes. Most of the wealthy receive income though capital gains, thus their tax rates are 15%. If your retired as I am, than you as I pay taxes on our IRA investments not on capital gains which would be capped at 15%, but as ordinary Income, which is bundled with our pension and social security. Your and my annual tax rates are subject to the ordinary income tax brackets, which means that we are taxed at anywhere from 20% to 30% depending on our total income. Paul Rand on a CNN interview claims the wealthiest of America make up 50% or more of the nation’s revenue. Paul Rand further stated that raising taxes on the wealthiest alone would do little to affect the national debt. If it’s true that the majority of the wealthy are paying taxes based on capital gains at a rate of 15% and that 15% makes up 50% or more of our nations revenue, than another 5% or 10% would greatly help reduce the national debt. As far as Warren Buffet is concerned, he probably is as bad as any of the wealthiest in avoiding paying taxes that are based on ordinary income brackets. The wealthiest of our nation I’m sure worked hard for their money, but so did you and I. If we are in the 20% to 30% annual tax brackets so should the wealthiest. Explain to me how waging a war on borrowed money is conservative. President Bush projected the Iraq war cost would not be above $50,000 or $100,000. His financial analyst reported on ABC or CNN before the war, that the war would easily exceed $200,000…..he was immediately fired. For six years the Iraq war was not included in the national budget and was borrowed largely from China. The cost of the Iraq war alone was $100,000 annually. Over six years that comes to $600,000 and that does not include compounded interest. Add the compounded interest and the total cost is above 1 trillion dollars for six years. Borrowing that amount of money and paying the compounded interest can in no way be called conservative budgeting. If, as you suggest, Obama has a socialist agenda, than you and I are caught in the middle with no representation, because than the executive branch would be pandering to the bottom income class on welfare and the legislative conservative class is pandering to the very wealthy. Either way, as the middle class, our future looks bleak. Social Security, Medicare and Military pensions are all considered entitlements and all are being targeted for cuts. My concern is how will that affect our income?

    • RonMar

      Obviously you are clueless about elementary school math. Buffett's secretary's tax % can be way higher than his, but he still pays a lot more in taxes - real money - than she does. Also his money is taxed more than once unless he can figure out and use some ways to avoid that. He cannot in all cases. She has available to her lots of deductions, etc., close to the same ones he has if not exactly so.
      It's real money that counts, not a %.
      All this is more of Obama's class warfare, his intent to get "revenge" on the rich because he was not born rich, and he is not now and probably never will be as rich as Buffet or Romney. Getting rich takes a lot of hard work. Obama does not have a hard work ethic, but rather a gimme ethic and history. Obama is way richer than he has ever deserved to be.

    • Eddie

      Barecrack Osambo is a NEGRO from Africa. If you look at the BLACKS in Africa, they are still living in the mud huts that they lived in 3,000 years ago. Blacks have NEVER built anything - NOTHING ! ! ! With the exception of a handful of blacks that grabbed their bootstraps and PULLED themselves up. And we all know who those blacks are.....and Barecrack Osambo is NOT one of them. He is a FREELOADER as are most of the millions of his followers.

    • rosech

      He is also a white man with Arab coloring, not black. So don't call him a black man because he isn't. However, the frump is a black who got her education paid by us.

    • disgusted democrat

      Dont belive him. look at detroit.Fifty years of black building apond a wonce great city!

    • RonMar

      Okay. You say so, and I have no argument with your points, except for a few of the details. I am not sure if he is Kenyan African or the son of Frank Marshall Davis more likely. I have also been told by people who ought to know and that I trust that he is more Arabic than African, but that conflicts with his being Davis' son.
      With Obama and all the conflicting stories he has told, the many documents he has hidden it is tough to know anything for sure about him, except that he hates the US and all Americans including his supporters. He is showing those things clearly in his actions and plans, some times in what he has said and is saying presently.

    • RonMar

      But, Eddie, Black Africans have done such a great job governing :). NOT!

      I went to England when the US Air Force hauled a British peace keeping force to Rhodesia as the Brits were turning the country over to become Zimbabwe. There were three warlords fighting to become leader of the country.
      One of them won in an election similar to what Obama and his henchmen and women run here and like the one in Kenya that he helped Odinga win before Obama stole the '04 election by massive voter fraud. More then helping I believe Obama was learning from Odinga.
      Anyway the Brits left Rhodesia. It became Zimbabwe under the victorious warlord, and look how well that has worked out for Zimbabwe and its people :).

    • rosech

      Sorry, but Obama has approximately 11 million dollars. The question is where did he obtain it? Probably illegally. Rice owns stock in Iran's crude oil, so she wants to protect Iran and the muslim brotherhood so she can get more money. Now, that is objective for a Secretary of State isn't it? People, wake up and smell the coffee. The frump spent over $600 for a skimpy pair of sandals. A poor man could not afford her as a wife but they have miilions so she can spend her money sometimes (otherwise she spends your and mine).

    • Chicot

      she spends more of yours and mine than she does of hers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

      Now she is going to muddy the waters off of Hawaii on OUR TAX DOLLAR !!

    • panors77

      "Daddy Soros"??

    • RonMar

      Yep, rosech, you're right on all points. 11 mill is not rich compared to Buffet, Romney and lots of others. Neither Obama nor Michelle earned a penny in their lives through honest work, nor will they ever do so.

      Thanks for the info on Rice-a-roni. I did not know that. I can't remember if I mentioned here or somewhere else that 2/3 of Great Britain's billionaires left GB when their taxes soared. Really rich people in the US started a few years ago moving out of places like NYC and CA to places like TX and FL that have no state income tax. Some even left the US for friendlier places overseas or for sure put their money outside the US. Right now lots of them are selling off their US assets for money and putting it out of the US. They did not get filthy rich by being slow or dumb about money.

    • FineTexan

      She is something to be afraid of. Look at her empty eyes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

      He has too much now for someone who NEVER worked a day in his life!!
      He got taxpayers money by being an ORGANIZER ? His Daddy Frank Marshall Davis taught him right !

    • RonMar

      Frankie Davis, a bi-pedophile, porn writer and photographer, heavy drinker and illicit drug user, taught little Barry Soetoro lots of things. The things Davis taught Barack Hussein Barry Obama Soetoro Davis are in great evidence now in Davis' son and mentor just as Obama's slutty momma wanted them to be.

    • groberts116

      Your exactly right Warren Buffet does pay a lot more in taxes than his secretary, but as I’m sure you are aware Buffet’s income is from capital gains and not ordinary income. His secretary pays taxes on ordinary income, which has several different brackets. If her income is between $60,000 and $85,000 she is giving up 25% of her annual income to taxes. Most of the wealthy receive income though capital gains, thus their tax rates are 15%. If your retired as I am, than you as I pay taxes on our IRA investments not on capital gains which would be capped at 15%, but as ordinary Income, which is bundled with our pension and social security. Your and my annual tax rates are subject to the ordinary income tax brackets, which means that we are taxed at anywhere from 20% to 30% depending on our total income. Paul Rand on a CNN interview claims the wealthiest of America make up 50% or more of the nation’s revenue. Paul Rand further stated that raising taxes on the wealthiest alone would do little to affect the national debt. If it’s true that the majority of the wealthy are paying taxes based on capital gains at a rate of 15% and that 15% makes up 50% or more of our nations revenue, than another 5% or 10% would greatly help reduce the national debt. As far as Warren Buffet is concerned, he probably is as bad as any of the wealthiest in avoiding paying taxes that are based on ordinary income brackets. The wealthiest of our nation I’m sure worked hard for their money, but so did you and I. If we are in the 20% to 30% annual tax brackets so should the wealthiest. Explain to me how waging a war on borrowed money is conservative. President Bush projected the Iraq war cost would not be above $50,000 or $100,000. His financial analyst reported on ABC or CNN before the war, that the war would easily exceed $200,000…..he was immediately fired. For six years the Iraq war was not included in the national budget and was borrowed largely from China. The cost of the Iraq war alone was $100,000 annually. Over six years that comes to $600,000 and that does not include compounded interest. Add the compounded interest and the total cost is above 1 trillion dollars for six years. Borrowing that amount of money and paying the compounded interest can in no way be called conservative budgeting. If, as you suggest, Obama has a socialist agenda, than you and I are caught in the middle with no representation, because than the executive branch would be pandering to the bottom income class on welfare and the legislative conservative class is pandering to the very wealthy. Either way, as the middle class, our future looks bleak. Social Security, Medicare and Military pensions are all considered entitlements and all are being targeted for cuts. My concern is how will that affect our income?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wolff-Bachner/100000356049591 Wolff Bachner

      first of all you are talking out of your butt. you financial analysis is naive and pointless. buffet is worth billions and at this point taxes and percentages are irrelevant to him.

      the entire income tax code needs to be rewritten. there is no other solution.more importantly to Federal government needs to stop treating American citizens like we are the government's property or its personal piggy-bank it is simply time for the government to do what the rest of us should and stop spending more than they take in.

      consolidate all the duplicitous government agencies and defund the useless ones. for example, there are more than 30 different agencies spread across 4 different cabinet level agencies to find housing for the poor. the GAO found they were wasting billions every year duplicating each others work and that just one tiny example. the estimate is the Federal government wastes 300 billion a year by duplication, over staffing and outright fraud.

      its time for the federal government to get out of the business of the states especially when it comes to health and education. the founders never intended for the federal government to manage those areas instead of the states

      and while we are on the word Federal, CLOSE DOWN THE THIEVES IN THE FEDERAL RESERVE. It is time for the USA to stop paying a private bank to print and manage the tax payers money. they have stolen an estimated 14 TRILLION dollars from us. enough to reduce 80% of the deficit in one gulp.

      i could go n and on.i will just add, it is time for America to stop playing the world's policeman and sending our sons and daughter to die in some distant hellhole for people who despise us. we should support our true allies like Britain and Israel and let the rest kill each other.

      the bottom line. buffet is a publicity stunt to cover for the fraud, ineptitude and dishonesty of our nation's out of control Federal government. Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc etc. are all irrelevant they are figureheads for the globalists who are sucking our life away. THE 535 VULTURES IN CONGRESS SHARE THE BLAME.

    • RonMar

      You've made a lot of false assumptions and are obviously copying and pasting your screed. I saw you posted it word-for-word to someone else. I am curious, therefore, if you got it from your Dem Lib Obamaniac Parrot Squawk Book.
      One of your false assumptions is about me and money management acumen, especially preparing for or in "retirement." I dumped all of my IRAs and put that money where it cannot be touched or taxed well before Obama and his handlers stole the '08 election by massive voter fraud as they did this year's election. I was onto Obama the moment he first appeared on the national scene telling his lies at the DNC in '04.
      I take advantage of every tax break available to me just as Buffet, his secretary and anyone else with a grain of sense does. I have not calculated my effective tax percentage lately, but I know it is well below 20%. Too bad about you, your IRA(s) and however you deal with the tax code.
      I have an incoming call from overseas. I would like to shoot down more of your nonsense, but this call is way more important to me than trying to educated you.
      Goodbye and good luck.

    • groberts116

      Ron, thanks for taking the time to respond to my comments. I would be interested to know how you removed your money from your IRA. How much were you taxed for your total IRS distribution? I would also be grateful if you would share what type of investments your using to insulate or reduce your savings distributions from taxes. I did not copy and paste my comments from any other source, I did however, copy much of what I had written in response to another email. I do apologize for such a long message.

    • RonMar

      Long messages are not a problem for me as long as they are truthful, factual and based on real history and current events, not just half-vast opinions pulled out of the air or from somewhere by unqualified people or one-sided political talking points to address the issue(s) at hand.
      I do not do financial counseling. I suggest you find someone who does and pay them fairly for counseling you.
      I cannot remember exactly the steps I took or their exact order. I do recall I pulled everything I had out of IRAs and other investment-type programs. I moved the money first into tax-protected CDs. I was not taxed on transfer of the money from IRAs. It was not a distribution. Later I used interest paid on some of the money to buy real property.
      Over the years of my lifetime I have bought and sold homes, rented some to others, bought and sold airplanes and boats ranging from 47'-12', motorized and a sailboat. I have never paid capital gains tax. I have used some of the assets in commercial business and taken write-offs that are allowed on taxes for repair, maintenance, depreciation, etc.
      I have used CPAs and my own knowledge of the tax codes to be sure all the transactions are legal and meet IRS requirements.
      That's all I can tell you. Good luck in your dealings with the Obamanation and his money grabs as part of his plan, successful so far, to diminish the US and hurt all Americans including his supporters.

    • groberts116

      Ron,

      Thanks for sharing your method of moving you IRA to a tax-protected CD. I did not know IRA’s can be moved to CDs. I thought my only option was to move my 401K to an IRA. I’ll check with a financial advisor and get the proper directions necessary to move my money from my IRA. What you have told me is very helpful. Thanks again.

      Gary Roberts

    • RonMar

      You're welcome. Maybe that's what I did, move money from a 401K to an IRA. I might have had both a 401K and IRAs to move to an IRA-type CD. It has been a few years now, actually more than a few. I'm getting up in years, thanks to God, the VA and other medical care. Your financial advisor most likely knows way more than I do about all this.

    • http://twitter.com/DonBahn1 Don Bahn

      His secretary pays according to a different tax law. Buffet makes his money buying and selling stocks, not working.

    • The Big Easy

      @-grubert--------COMRADE---------IS YOU CRAZY???????? Just look at what the ole COMRADE buffat is doing with the i.r.s.,fighting to KEEP his money FROM the gubermint.For some 10 or so years,he has been in court with the i.r.s.,,-----So all this GARBAGE about his girl friday is just a SMOKE SCREEN !!!!!!!!!!! You need to look at actual FACTS,not the snow job the state run media is dumping onto the likes of you.

    • kpjlaw

      You like paying Obama taxes so much that you ought to voluntarily send in a lot extra.

    • Lisa K

      Warren Buffet is a huge LIB. And he misrepresented the secretary thing. Read up on income taxes vs. capital gains tax-there IS a difference, He's also a globalist-a crony capitalist, in bed with this socialist pushing administration. So what if Conservative businesses are supporting the Tea Party Movement-they should! We need all the funding support we can get to counter the Libs, Unions, fraudulent voting, illegal funds from outside the country, leftist media! And the Koch Brothers didn't pay my way or the millions of other citizens who went on their dime to walk in the 9/11 march on D.C. or any other rally/march! Buffet wants you to listen to him-he's making big bucks off the ignorance of those not clued in about him.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7P2QVCRUFO4ML7Y7XUQJ64BAPY Great Day

      We need to pull together and and work on a plan to take back our Country please visit this site and sign the Petition? http://wh.gov/IPTJ Thank You

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJNJTSN3EHQNFSJ3BJQ36BDOYY Hedy

      impeachment, we need to fax and email to the congress , the have to apprufe the impeachment, ore we demand that all the votes be counted againe , there was big big voterfroud,

    • WASP

      If we don't get a REAL, intensive investigation of the election fraud in the 2012 election, and some appropriate action and changes, we will never see another honest election in this country again.

    • LadyforLiberty

      WASP: Sorry, but seems you can forget an investigation. ALL the media are on board with Os Socilaist message!

    • fridihem

      Horse CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • disgusted democrat

      WAS that you lunch??

    • joycersjoyr

      Buffett is in Obama's pocket, why should we listen to snything he says??s

    • Vette66

      It might be the other way around. Buffett may have bought BO. Buffett has his fingers in a lot of pies.

    • Robert

      How
      naive and uneducated you are on the facts. First, I’ll admit that Warren
      Buffets sister (Elaine Bryant buffet) is a stellar role model and mentor. She
      and brother Warren inherited huge sums of money and she uses hers to fund the non-profit
      Sunshine Lady foundation where she actually spends money to fund and help
      individuals in legitimate need with surgeries and other devastation in their
      lives almost like the Red Cross does. Brother Warren does not contribute or
      participate in her efforts. He is nothing but a loud mouthpiece for Obama and if
      he really wanted to, could easily write a check to the US Treasury department
      and donate through example to the treasury deficit. This whole exercise on his
      part was political theater. Warren Buffet is a liberal hypocrite that was born
      with a silver spoon in his mouth and is merely doing his 15 minutes of fame for
      the lame stream liberal media history books. You are clueless and need to drink
      the TEA and not the Kool-Aid.

    • groberts116

      Your probably right about Buffet I really have no idea what taxes he actually pays. I’m sure Warren Buffet’s paysa lot more in taxes than his secretary, but as I’m sure you are aware Buffet’s income is from capital gains and not ordinary income. His secretary pays taxes on ordinary income, which has several different brackets. If her income is between $60,000 and $85,000 she is giving up 25% of her annual income to taxes. Most of the wealthy receive income though capital gains, thus their tax rates are 15%. If your retired as I am, than you as I pay taxes on our IRA investments not on capital gains which would be capped at 15%, but as ordinary Income, which is bundled with our pension and social security. Your and my annual tax rates are subject to the ordinary income tax brackets, which means that we are taxed at anywhere from 20% to 30% depending on our total income. Paul Rand on a CNN interview claims the wealthiest of America make up 50% or more of the nation’s revenue. Paul Rand further stated that raising taxes on the wealthiest alone would do little to affect the national debt. If it’s true that the majority of the wealthy are paying taxes based on capital gains at a rate of 15% and that 15% makes up 50% or more of our nations revenue, than another 5% or 10% would greatly help reduce the national debt. As far as Warren Buffet is concerned, he probably is as bad as any of the wealthiest in avoiding paying taxes that are based on ordinary income brackets. The wealthiest of our nation I’m sure worked hard for their money, but so did you and I. If we are in the 20% to 30% annual tax brackets so should the wealthiest. Explain to me how waging a war on borrowed money is conservative. President Bush projected the Iraq war cost would not be above $50,000 or $100,000. His financial analyst reported on ABC or CNN before the war, that the war would easily exceed $200,000…..he was immediately fired. For six years the Iraq war was not included in the national budget and was borrowed largely from China. The cost of the Iraq war alone was $100,000 annually. Over six years that comes to $600,000 and that does not include compounded interest. Add the compounded interest and the total cost is above 1 trillion dollars for six years. Borrowing that amount of money and paying the compounded interest can in no way be called conservative budgeting. If, as you suggest, Obama has a socialist agenda, than you and I are caught in the middle with no representation, because than the executive branch would be pandering to the bottom income class on welfare and the legislative conservative class is pandering to the very wealthy. Either way, as the middle class, our future looks bleak. Social Security, Medicare and Military pensions are all considered entitlements and all are being targeted for cuts. My concern is how will that affect our income?

    • FOLLOW1010

      MR. BUFFET IS ATTEMPTING TO AVOID PAYING 1 BILLION IN TAXES TO THE IRS VIA HIS HEDGE FUNDS. AND YOU USE HIM AS AN EXAMPLE. HE DOESN'T PRACTICE WHAT HNE PREACHES!!!

    • rosech

      Warren could pay his many hundreds of thousands he owes in taxes, but doesn't. If he wants to donate to pay down the debt, let him. We formed the Tea Party (Taxed Enough Already) and we are ready to fire up a 3d party because stupids like you just don't get it. However, if you like Obama then you will love the communist and his regime and then you won't have a pot to pee in under that regime. Buffett has his money in trusts that can't be touched. Do you? Doubt it. He also sends lots of money OUTSIDE the US. Do you? Doubt it. Let the old man talk but he ain't gonna put up so he should shut up. Sad that he didn't help his secretaries to invest with him, which shows just how selfish he is. His money in trusts and placed in another country works for him but not you. He need to be better informed about Warren and others (like Bill Gates) before you spout nonsense.

    • Deb in Texas

      You mean the same Warren Buffet who owes upwards of a Billion... yes with a "B"... in taxes himself and instead of trying to "lower" his employees taxes he offers to pay more himself? THAT WARREN BUFFET??? Now how does THAT help his employees have more money in their pockets at the end of the day!!!

    • lokiswife

      Warren Buffet is a typical liberal - talks about others' taxes, but he owes almost $1 billion in back taxes. Pay up, Warren before you start lecturing on taxes! And the real reason that Obama put the kibosh on the Keystone pipeline? His buddy Warren has the railroad contracts to ship the oil to the port. Warren also profited handsomely by TARP and the stimulus bill.

    • Greg

      Hey lib idiot...buffet is taxed 15% on investment income that he has already paid income tax of 33% on at one time. Thats why he diesnt pay himself a salary. The secretary makes a wage where she pays at least 20% or more. Take a "business finance" course instead of "commune life with comrades".

    • gdfairy6

      Groberts get real! IF Mr. Buffet had ANY crediblity, he wouldn't have outstanding debt to the IRS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/parkerbilt Dennis Parker

      Warren makes money off the government big time. He owns mid american energy and gets big government money every time a windmill makes a cycle. If he wanted to pay taxes so much, he could always pay more. He is a phony taking tax money.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

      Have & YOUR WRONG , Learn to read and study who did what !! You love Obama so much take him back to Africa with you !!

    • jimshaw54

      I do take what Mr. Buffet has said -- with a grain of salt. Mr. Buffet speaks one thing and does another.

    • panors77

      Please consider what marx has said then compare to BO's platform.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thejammer61 Benjamin Harris

      What a stupid thing to say

    • fridihem

      I consider what Warren said............but 150 million Americans just cant see the writing on the wall...............................the remedies are far too small and far too late........................European small countries do get bailouts............but the USA.........................there is no one around to bailout the USA.................its either swim or drown

    • http://www.facebook.com/jacqueline.lynn.940 Jacqueline Lynn

      And Obama was formed and promoted by the likes of George Soros. A man who started his fortune by selling fellow Jews to the Nazis. A man who should have faced war crime trials went on to become a billionaire and OWNS THIS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

    • Vette66

      So what sis Buffet say, tax the heck out of the middle class and let my money alone. I'm sure he has his money covered by all the loop holes the riche seem to have. Of course the Demo aren't expected to pay taxes, only the Reps. I still 5% tax on all welfare "free" money to be applies to BOCare. That way they can say they helped pay for their "free" healthcare.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wolff-Bachner/100000356049591 Wolff Bachner

      right im gonna listen to some babble about paying more taxes from a man worth 40 billion dollars who couldn't give a hoot if he pays 10 mill more a year. its chump change to him and he is full of it.

      meanwhile, 3000$ a year more in taxes to a working family might mean no Christmas for the kids and no new clothes for school and not even taking the family to see a new movie once or twice a year. It means working 60 hours a week and barely making ends meet and having ZERO enjoyment in life.

      all i can say is scr*w buffet and scr*w you for thinking his ideas are legitimate.

    • memecman

      Why listen to Buffet when his own company, Berkshire Hathaway, owes $1B in taxes and he has an army of lawyers fighting it? Warren, pay your FAIR SHARE!!!

    • RonMar

      Every thing worthwhile, and in Obama's and his handlers' cases not worthwhile, is funded and promoted by someone. So you have no point.

    • boccagalupe

      Koch bros. were not the impetus of the TEA Party. You may want to read a little volume "The Tea Party Manifesto" to learn more of it. Then again, perhaps not.

    • kysteelgirl

      The Tea Party was not formed or funded by Koch Bros....Buffet mislead the people. His taxes were paid on capitol gains and not on salary like his secretary.
      Are you liberals ever going to look at the whole story instead of just believing what you are told to believe?

    • Ciaran

      This is WHY the Reich was formed. For real.

    • Paul Brown

      Mercyme this used to be a great country, now its become the laughing stock of the world. These muslim islamic pigs are leading the parade on that one and laughing at this islamic pig and he thinks they are his friends. What the hell has become of this country today?

    • Virginia Cavalier

      What has become of us? We, as a voting bloc, have gotten our Welfare, Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing and Obama-Phones and it feels pretty comfy sitting on the couch watching Oprah all day. I want more than The ObamaNation can provide so I am doomed to Build It Myself. See a great Boston Tea Party shirt at website WordsToLivByUSA...

    • Nassany

      You are a funny man; thank goodness that this country America, still have intellegent people living here.

    • Nassany

      One of the reason why some folks like you believe this country is the laughing stock of the World is because of people like you who think of people as Muslim Islamic Pigs. You need to set an example of how you want the people of America to act instead of instigating hate and discontent; I do not see how your statement will make this country great.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Minda-Brown/100000825961119 Minda Brown

      Well nassany you must be one of the Piggggggs.

    • Nassany

      Sir, I never considered myself as a pig, but if you believe that I am a pig it's okay with me; I seriously don't expect any better from you sir; like I said sir, you should set an example for the citizen of the United States to fallow; and no I am not a Muslim or have I ever practice or ever have thoughts of being a Muslim. I am proud of my Jamaican heritage who have been a citizen of the United States for several years now. I came to this country at the age of 15 years old with $5. in my pocket back in January of 1973; I retired November 2009 at the age of 53; God bless the good people of America who don't call people pigs, but set examples on how to be good citizen of this beautiful country.

    • Garx69

      If you managed to retire at 53 was it on Social Security Disability or some other government handout?

    • Nassany

      Only an American would first consider negitive thoughts of me first. Sir, I work hard for the company who employed me, and I also saved my money wisely; I was also a member of the Teamsters Union; if their was one thing I learn in life it's, no man is an Island; might is power, so I joined the labour union, so we could stand up to the crooked bosses, and negotiate good benifits and pay for hard working Americans.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mjb1951 Michael Burch

      retired ...from what a government job????i was born here to parents who were born here and there parents were born here.....my dad was shot in WW2.IN BELGIUM...battle of the bulge....to say there is no muslim threat is living in a dream world...they want to kill us,and do every chance they get....it is ok for them to call us names,to insult our GOD,to burn our bibles,to destroy our churches,and to kill Christians all over the world...and folks want us to 'love' them.....I DO NOT THINK SO....THEY are muslim pigs...i refuse to cow down from them..i do not believe in turning the other cheek.....if they slap me ..i will stomp them...i have lost ALL PATIENTS . with fools who whine can't we all just get along....you can not make peace with people who want to kill you...

    • Nassany

      Sir my prolems are with some of the folks who was born in this country; have you ever read the News Papers or watch the evening News? Let me start I can't trust most employers in the US. Although, most company in this country are forign owned; I don't trust the bankers in this country; I don't trust the government of this country, especially majority of the Republican leaders; I don't trust some of the citizens of this country who was born here, because of them, we can't go into any government building, a airplane, ect. without get serch first by the security force; why, because some of the folks who was born in this country, also millitary vet commit terrible crimes against Americans. I just want to go back to the way things was before Ragan, Bush Sr. and Bush jr. with his us and them speech. I want to be free again; I want to be free to go any where I want to go in America without being made to feel like a criminal. I am tired of hearing about a lone wolf. We're the problem. I know what most Muslim look like and sound like. We need to be caring for all the people in this country; we are all we have; those are all of my problem.

    • LadyforLiberty

      I Reckon if you are attempting to criticise pat presidents you should at least be able to spell Reagan properly.
      As for this present president, have you heard about the new Islamist President of Egypt? He has taken over control and is ruling by decree, and hsa also writtten a new Egyptian Constitution which gives HIM nad his Islamist Brotherhood party control over the Country, to the extent that Christians are being persecuted and Churched burned.
      The White House and State Department are SILENT on what Egypt is doing.
      Now Pres Obama want to be in charge of deciding on the Financila RUIN he has brought about. This from a politician with the skills only of a Union Organiser.
      THe USA "losing rightsand freedom bit by bit is CORRECT!
      But this is not because of some islamic terror group abroad.
      Obama seems to have designs on being in total control of the USA.
      He has already disregarded the constitution by repeatedly issuing Executive Orders to bypass the very political process set up by the Founding Fathers to ensure this should not happen.
      The remedy...again from the FF .....Impeachment!
      STrange that the press and media were vocal over Nixon and GWBush over their games, but are silent about the one preseident who looks as if he really wants to remove the safeguards that the Founding Fathers put in place it seems to prevent what Pres Obama is engaged in.
      This present mess where he is starting the political blame game early by refusing any view but TAX RISES shows that he is what the Founding Fathers were so far seeing about....a renegade with his hands on the levers of power, and an ineffectual Congress....who seems determined to gather all the POWER into his hands despite what Congress rules.
      Adolf Hitler was also elected. But slowly Germany became devoid of its democracy.
      We have ro keep an eye on the new One Term President now!

    • Nassany

      Yes sir, you're correct about my spelling of Ronals Regan/ Reagan, but one thing for sure about me is this, I understand subjective remarks and foolish talk when I hear or read it; I am more interested in learning how to treat my neighbors with dignity; oh, I did notice your gramatical mistake and I also notice your subjective criticism of your president, Obama. Just incase you didn't attend an American school, let me try and tell you how the branch of our government work.
      The regular citizen such as myself request change to laws that we don't like; big and so-called small business request changes to the laws that they don't like but they have one advantage over regular folks.
      Congress who are the law makers, they vote on a law; majority rules; it is then sent to our president who sign it inti law or veto it; if the president veto that law then it goes back to congress who must then vote on that law again; if 2 / 3 of congress pass it then it become the law; if the president is still against it then the Judicial System debate then make a decision on that law; example, so-called Obama care; Obama wanted a single payer system, and congress gave him what we now call Obama care; because once it goes into effect, they can't go to Walter Reed Hospital any more; all of a sudden they don't like what they passed as a health care law for us; too bad, they should have okay the single payer system!
      President Obama can only start short term things like start a war, but he have to go to congress for funding if he want funding; President Obama can sign some trade agreement I am not sure exactly how that work but I believe congress have something to do with trade laws. I hope I did help you some that it is not Obama's faults, congress is our problem.
      If the republican congress had anything to impeach Obama for, that man would be in prison before he set foot in the White House.

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.madison.3344 David Madison

      Sir, you have my respect for your opinion but, I am unaware of any liberties being lost during the Reagan administration. I have lots of problems with G.W.Bush - he sold us the bill of goods called the "Patriot Act," on a high-speed steam roller, (Fast-tracked before it really got a good looking at and debate upon), and never looked back. That, the stimulus/wall-street bail-out, and his globalist aspirations were a real thorn in my conservative side. President Reagan, however, had nothing to do with those things.

      The TSA/HSA need to be abolished. With that, at least, I whole heartedly concur with you.

      Have a good day!

    • Nassany

      Sir, thank you for being one of the great Americans who have and also continuing to help me keep the faith that this great country will survive all of the misinformation out there; God bless Americans!
      I hope you will have a wonderful day.

      Now as for Ronald Reagan, I did voted for him to be president of the United States of America; as Russ Piro told us of the sucking sound; Reagan presidency begin the exit of high paying jobs from America; he also started the the fast track on killing Trade Unions in America; yes it is true that many jobs was created during the reagan administration, but I am gald that I didn't get cought up in any of those low paying jobs which had no health insurance or a triditional retirement; Prior to Reagan, even the American truck drivers use to make a decent living driving their trucks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.glover.14 Charles Glover

      Know them by their deeds and their defence.

    • Nassany

      Charles, are you saying that one of the reason why we Americans have been loosing our freedom and liberty to go where ever we want to go in our country America, without being made to feel like we're all terrorist, or the fact that we Americans have been loosing our safty net since Ranold Regan's and the George Bush's Presidency; or is it because of all our so-called good deeds? I am starting to believe our government is correct in telling us not trust Americans, and that we should be vigilant by watching each other, like the lone wolfes, or people who have something against the government, or Americans who hate other Americans because of their race or belief, or Americans who hate other American because of their success. I am sick of all the crimes being commited to Americans by Americans; this country need to come together.

    • LadyforLiberty

      Nassany: There you go again. its R O NA L D R E A G A N!!!
      Incidentally, he was the President who loved his country and his family, and also raised the USA from the doldrums Carter (Democrat) presided over!

      He also took on the Middle East Despots and Iran, and as an afterthought ensured that the USSR folded. Reagan also got two terms, but did not resort to ballot irregularities or welfare programs to do so!
      The major difference between REAGAN AND OBAMA?
      Reagan loved his country, he was even born and raised in the midwest with a record of his schooldays. He also was aware of what was important to "real" Americans, those people, now mostly forgotten by Washington, who are the honest backbone of the USA, who work hard and do not claim WELFARE, who believe in God and Country, and who are Damn MAD that Washington continure to mismanage everything, with suggestions (By Obama), to raise Wefare and TAXES on the Middle Class.
      Obama has NO Economics knowledge of training.
      Yet he is content to just raise taxes just on his class enemy rather than address the MESS that is Federal Government.
      If you are a hardworking citizen anywhere in USA (Possibly with the exception of Illinois), you KNOW the Feds cannot run a bath! You also know that those managing all the Programs, have secure well paid jobs and excellent pension plans. All paid for by the hardworking guys and gals who have been stiffed monumentally by the Washington AND State

      `Crats for years.
      Citizens KNOW what needs to be done!
      A great pity that the secure and comfortable privileged elite who have changed Washington from serving to stiffing the people, whilse they are aware of what needs to be done.

      They are happy to play games rather than enforce the law, and this would ensure blocking any further Presidential Executive Orders, to regain the Democracy outlined long ago by men wiser than the present incumbents!
      The USA will be worse off this time if they piddle about for months, as the Credit Rating Agencies have ALREADY downgraded the USA, and a long dilly dally will attract yet another downgrade which would threaten the position of the Dollar as the Major currency.
      Of course, if you voted Democrat you do not CARE about that, so long as your friend Obama keeps ensuring the welfare checks keep rolling.
      Obama banks on this to carry on with his claimed aim. In his own wards, "To Change America"!
      Just that he did not elaborate on what sort of change that would be.
      Perhaps now would be a good time to ask him before the Constitution of our USA is changed beyond recognition!!
      Obama is not committed to bringing the USA together, as left wing socilaists believe in division in order to implement their "Plan for Society".
      Well folks. "We the People ARE the Country!!!
      Politicians...EVEN IN WASHINGTON....Work For US!!!!
      NOT the other way round, as Demoliberals have been telling us for years!

    • Nassany

      Okay Ronald Reagan, he made his money to raised his family from being a union man; he was even the president of that union.
      Reagan who knows the benifits of a strong union, he fired the patco strikers, start the law to broke up the bell telephone company. I knew something was wrong with that man's head; see, he left the White House wearing a diapers because he was suffering from dementia! That man also sign in to law to give tax brakes to company who want to take the good paying jobs over seas! him a Bush sr. and Jr. sides with congress to end the treditional retirement system, triditional health care system we had back then, our freedom to go on a airplane with out have to take our shoes off and search; hell they even told us not to trust Americans, blacks or whites because we upset every body include our selves!

      I want to go back to the America before Ronald Regan sorry, Reagan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.glover.14 Charles Glover

      His statement won't make it great. It is only a prediction of what is unfolding in front of our eyes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.glover.14 Charles Glover

      All things good and bad things, come to an end sooner or later. It looks like it is our turn now.

    • arjay

      Now Harold you must be careful........after all, didn't the Dumbocrats just label the original Tea Party were a bunch of Terrorists?? I'm sure the idiots would label the Colonists terrorists also!!!!

    • BoxingKitty

      They already have. That's what they're teaching kids in school.

    • kpjlaw

      And that Islam is a religion of peace..

    • mwl

      Islam is a religion of Piece. They want to see Americans in as many pieces as they can get. Ive been in Afghanistan for three years. They are very well outfitted. Have many numbers of fighters, they are everywhere. The US houses thousands. Borrowing a line from the movie "Untouchables"... What are you prepared to do!!!
      Mike in Afghanistan
      Chuckles biden was laughing and smiling through the debates. Liar he is wasnt about to say he watched the entire Benghazi murders, then of course covered it up with rices Line of crap on 5 talk shows. Im here I know.

    • Drifanwulf

      I agree with you BoxingKitty. Like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. were no good for nothing slave owners. Like if you are White your ancestors were evil people. Bad, bad colonists, shame, shame. shame. As if everything they stood for and accomplished was dirty. I suppose no other human anywhere else on the planet was as cruel and filthy as our ancestors. I suppose slavery only existed in America, or no White person was ever a slave in any country at any time in history. The truth is slavery was and is wrong, but it happened. People today need to get over it, and quit teaching children their ancestors were evil.

    • HotFlight

      By the way...That is what they are teaching the kids in some Texas schools right now, also I think in some Calif. schools...Look it up!

    • HappyClinger

      Lower your withholding. Don't let them have your money until April 15.

    • HotFlight

      Harold...Yes that is the reason...and look what they wound up doing...But it worked then and I'll bet it will work again!!!

    • Nassany

      Ha ha ha ha, you two guys are very funny; It is a good thing that America still have intellegent people living in it, because, I don't know where you folks get your information from. President Obama is doing a wonderful job running America's economy; ever since Ronald Reagan, [ see I spelled Reagan correct ] to the two George Bushs, all they did was to steel from the working men and women to give to the rich and powerful; now Wall Street want our Social Security and Medicare money.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.glisson Gayle Glisson

      We know what the problem is ~~~how do we stop their spending spree?

    • Dave

      Quit paying taxes, they can't house all of us. We need to stop feeding the monster.

    • rosech

      Well, fewer taxes are already not being paid with so many without jobs or only part time work. Once the kitty is empty, the "entitled" ones will no longer get checks and then what will they do? Look to come and rob and ill you, so be prepared. This happened in the Great Depression and we are there now. Have you noticed how crime rates have climbed? When the rich leave the country, and people are not working and hence not paying taxes, just how much money can Geitner print because the axe falls? Not long and then the you know what hits the fan. Then Obama will want to send OUR military out to control us, imprison us, etc. We must not let that happen.

    • henry bowman

      producers go on strike aka Atlas Shrugged?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Peterson/100003526607299 Jesse Peterson

      I went Galt a few years ago. I was tired of feeding the beast.

    • Pisstoff

      If Congress won't do it, there's no one left but We The People! Stop sending if they don't stop spending!

    • http://twitter.com/theoldstorytell Gary Alan Adkins

      Sorry! It's already taken!

    • rosech

      Just increase you deductions but keep the money set aside and safe because eventually you will pay, but you put a huge dent in the man's ego because no taxes in means he must bear the blame!

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.andersonsr Robert Anderson Sr

      Don't know about you but We(wife & I ) are trying to live on 24,500. a year. Not possible! Our kids have helped but they can't keep it up and live themselves! So bottom line is Obama wants anyone over 65 DEAD !!

    • Paul Brown

      Well retired I know where your coming from, I am on total disability for quite sometime now and I have to watch my cash as well, my wife just lost her job now because of this muslim islamic maniac pig thief, he likes to takes other peoples money and spend it on himself and his friends and then gives money to the same pigs trying to kill us. Whe the hell does this nightmare ever end and we get rid of this pig before he totally destroys the old America we once fought for.

    • Nassany

      Some of you folks are real interesting with your thoughts about how this Congress works or how thr real World works; one of the problem with America is you folks who think that you're smart, but one of the major thing you'll have been doing is wrecking this beautiful country with your worped feel good statements filled of metaphors, which confused the folks who don't think.

    • futurelife

      obama hates us older people as if it wasn't for us, he would have more money to spend. Once he gets rid of us, then he will get rid of the poor and all he would have left is just what he wants, total control over everyone.

    • sovereigntyofone

      Well my friend, look on the bright side if there is one, you'll probably find me under that same dry road bridge along with many others. Maybe together we can survive this mess.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.glover.14 Charles Glover

      Well old retiredmillwright, you and I better just start hunting for that bridge. Maybe I'll see you there.

    • Jan

      The current people in Washington have absolutely no conception of budgeting. They are very apparently living in some sort of dream world where there are endless pots of gold. And, absolutely NONE of them understand economics at all. Someone should give them a lesson based on what happened in Argentina during the reign of Juan and Eva Peron. With all sorts of "give away" items Argentina ended up with 300% & 400% inflation. Yeah, just minmic Argentina and print mo' money....that'lll do it !!!!!

    • Ecoplastican

      I say we shoot the gorilla.

    • Jim L Adrian

      If you have $100.00 to spend but you need $600.00 which you have managed to commit, What are you going to do? You can put the $500.00 on your shoulders or yourself or you lay a smoke screen to lay blame on someone else. The fact is your short 5/6 of your debt. The ones owed have no problem understanding the lack of repayment. You, as Head Duck of the debtor bunch, only has a bunch of people to BS. That is the ones you get taxes from. Your project then is to manipulate figures until you ave created a false setting. Then bring out all the BS'ers to work overtime on the taxed people--presto, the fools fall in and you get an extension.
      The ones you owe still know, the ones that pay you--deaf, dumb. blind still do not.