The Presidential Debate Over Statism


bdd067b5170885828961c40ec4cb238b_XLWednesday evening I sat and listened, no wait endured, the Presidential Reality Show known as the Presidential debates. I confess, that it was a bit difficult as I watched via YouTube and sometimes it would cut out for a few seconds. I was bothered by what I saw both on screen and in the Twitter feed.

I watched as there were obviously pro-Obama people, as well as, plenty of pro-Romney people. For most, their respective politician could do no wrong, even when it was evident that they had erred.

I read various tweets and Facebook postings from people and also posted a few myself. However, what I kept hearing over and over between both men was the simple phrase of “we agree on….” and that would be followed by whatever topic they were on. Barack Obama is not afraid to come out and state that he is a statist. He is quite clear on that and made it abundantly clear when he told business owners that they didn’t build their own businesses. I have spent many articles pointing out his statism.

Mitt Romney though, states that he believes in the private sector and free market, but then he always goes and puts government and government regulations into the mix.

When the issue of education came up, Romney said, “The federal government can play a very important role [in education at the state and local level].” Now I’m not surprised by this because of Romney’s record, but it does strike me that “conservatives” applaud such notions. From my perspective the federal government should have absolutely no role in education. However, this was just one of many comments that demonstrate where we are in our country.

I admit that in perception Mitt Romney won the debate. It was not because of a real plan for America or real numbers being tossed out. Economic policy can definitely set the stage for job creations by the private sector, but when either man says “I’ll do this and this many millions of jobs will be created” is simply tooting one’s on horn. No one can be sure of those numbers. It is all hot air. No, Romney won because of the appearance that he was in control, cool and calm, yet calculated. It didn’t help that Obama looked like a school boy the teacher had just put the dunce hat on and sent to the corner either. But yes, clearly people perceived Romney the winner. In fact, CNN polls showed that upwards of 67% of people thought he won the debate.

As for the national deficit which was an issue in the debate, I dealt with the here.

For me, though Romney may have won the debate, America lost with both men. I read this morning on Doug Phillips’ Facebook page words that seemed to resonate with me from last night’s performance. Who is Doug Phillips you ask? Doug is a Christian husband and father and president of the Vision Forum in San Antonio, Texas. His famous father is Howard Phillips, who headed two federal agencies during the Nixon administration.

Phillips wrote:

It was a tragic day for America as our nation sat and watched two committed socialists, representing the Democratic and Republican parties respectively, argue between each other over which was the most committed to government interference in the private sector, wealth redistribution, and statist intervention in the economy. Tonight we learned that both candidates believe that social security is a success, that the government is responsible for education, and that the market will only work with heavy government regulation.

Historically, presidential debates are shallow in terms of constitutional analysis of issues, but tonight’s debate may have set the standard as the most constitutionally illiterate presentation by opposing primary party candidates for president in a national debate in the history of our nation. Tonight, (in case anyone needed reminding) Mitt Romney proved that he could be every bit the neo-Marxist that president Obama has become.

What he may have lost in the first part of the debate through his petulant nit-picking, Governor Romney made up in the second part of the debate by unnerving President Obama, who clearly appeared to lose his edge as the evening closed. But the event was more of a clash of personalities then a debate over policy. Both peas were from the same pod, and the difference between the candidates on the issues raised tonight were little more than micro-degrees, with times that honest observers must admit that Obama appeared every so slightly to the right of Romney, and other times, vice versa. In sum: No Bible believing, Constitution-loving American should be proud of what happened tonight.

Prediction: Liberals will like Romney much more after tonight’s debate. But so will a large body of Christians to whom what Romney has said, done and advocated is irrelevant. The Evangelical political lobotomy is almost complete. His name is not Obama, and any facts pertaining to his radical socialism, statist agenda, pro-abortionism and pro-homosexual advocacy that get in the way of that truth must be ignored or stamped out.

I tend to agree with the words expressed by Mr. Phillips. Sadly many hear only what they want to hear. I listened today as Rush Limbaugh talked about how Romney presented “conservatism.” He did nothing of the sort. While there were statements about lowering taxes, which is good, what happened to equal protection? Why is one class of people taxed at a different rate than another just because they make more money in the first place? Why does the federal government get involved in education? Why is there not serious real cuts to spending? Since when is socialistic healthcare mandates OK for conservatives? Apparently as long as it is at the state level and if there is bi-partisan agreement (though 87% Democrats in Massachusetts doesn’t really seem bi-partisan.)

I suppose we’ll have to wait a few days to see what else these men would like to involve government in on our behalf.



  • Raymond

    The Ten Commandments According to Obama.

    I. Thou shalt have no God in America, except for me.
    I am the chosen One. (And like God, I do not have a birth certificate.)

    II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
    unless it is my face carved on Mt. Rushmore.

    III. Thou shalt not utter my middle name in vain (or in public). Only I can say Barack Hussein Obama.

    IV. Remember tax day, April 15th, to keep it holy.

    V. Honour thy father and thy mother until they are too old and sick to care for. They will cost our public-funded health-care system too much money.

    VI. Thou shalt not kill, unless you have an unwanted, unborn baby. For it would be an abomination to punish your daughter with a baby.

    VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery if you are conservative or a Republican.Liberals and Democrats are hereby forgiven for all of their infidelity and immorality, but the careers of conservatives will be forever destroyed.

    VIII. Thou shalt not steal, until you’ve been elected to public office. Only then is it acceptable to take money from hard-working, successful citizens and give it to those who do not work, illegal immigrants, or thosewho do not have the motivation to better their own lives.

    IX. Thou shalt not discriminate against thy neighbor unless they are conservative,Caucasian, or Christian.

    X. Thou shalt not covet because it is simply unnecessary. I will place such a heavy tax burden on those that have achieved theAmerican Dream that, by the end of my term as President, nobody will have any wealth or material goods left for you to covet…

  • Buddyr20

    It comes down to the lesser of two evals. We have witnessed Obamas Lack of leadership over the past 4 years. He must go.
    Lets give Romney a chance to show us what he is capable of doing. If he fails, He will also be a one term President.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.rude.94 Jonathan Rude

      No, less evil!

  • Frank

    The Presidential Debate Over Statism
    -Exactly! The Power Elite want to falsely limit your choices between Statist #1 & Statist #2 for POTUS. How about option #3: vote for a non-Statist. Vote for the best small government, Constitution-loving 3rd Party candidate on your ballot & give a quick kick in the rear to the Statist run, GOP Establishment!

    • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.rude.94 Jonathan Rude

      With the exception of the Whigs giving way to the Republicans, a 3rd Party has always given liberals the Presidency. Trying what you’re advocating only kicks your own rear. The uniqueness of the Tea Party is that so far it’s been unified against the Dems, and for the most part, gets behind the candidate that can defeat them, not the candidate striving to martyr on principles. Why can’t our goal be less evil and winning the election?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZX5KZTXD77ODR6HGUP4ILDDFYE Mary

    Compromise is out of the question at this late date! I am totally amazed by the blatant stupidity of some people!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZX5KZTXD77ODR6HGUP4ILDDFYE Mary

    I agree with your thinking and I don’t think they have any idea of how most of the people in this country….at least the ones that pay taxes….feel. We’re done, stupid! Wake up!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.rude.94 Jonathan Rude

    What I found appalling, yet again, in this election cycle
    was that my vote proved irrelevant in the Republican Primary. Romney
    was the only one left standing by the time Texas was counted. Perhaps the only good to come of it was the
    skeletons in the closet exposed by the primary vetting, hopefully eliminating
    an October surprise. Perhaps a national
    primary election might have helped, maybe no more than 3 – East, Middle, and
    West.

    What would we do with a press and media that actually did its
    job?

    Men are evil, but I would argue our choice is not the lesser
    of two evils; our votes should be for less evil. This has most likely been the case in our Presidential
    elections since the Founding Father’s generation died off.

    Statists are not new, and several have been elected or have
    been ascended to the Presidency in the last 100 years, Woodrow Wilson (16th
    Amendment Income Taxes), FDR (Social Security), and LBJ (Great Society). Clinton (Federal Land Sequestorer via
    Executive Order) was elected twice with less than 30% of eligible voters
    participating. One unelected Statists
    that performed more irreparable damage to our Constitution is William Jennings
    Bryan, who gave us the 17th Amendment, ensuring that our Senate no
    longer represents the State interests, but instead gives us 6-year-megalomaniac-egos. A President is far easier to remove from
    office than a sitting Senator.

    One more perspective, Romney is the best hope we have to
    ensure the stacked Supreme Court at least tips towards conservative. Are we not certain that the next President
    will nominate successors for Ruth “Buzzy” Ginsberg and Anthony Kennedy?

    Let me throw one more thing to the comments: perhaps we
    should limit exactly who is allowed to vote – bona-fide tax payers; people with
    actual skin in the game? I see nothing
    wrong with poll tests for minimal competency. Some people are too ignorant to vote.

    Yes, you need to get over this and vote for less
    evil. What else can you do?

  • http://twitter.com/LJ_Ponders LJ Bury

    Provocative piece worth pondering however philosophical analyses is only fun in a lively debate in a lecture hall, not in the real world. We dissect each candidate by who most closely reflects our values, morals, ethics and everyday needs. A very personal decision that can never be pure. So yes Romney is flawed but as you say he is not Obama who is more than flawed, he is fatal to us all.

  • David S. McQueen

    There is no serious discussion about “real cuts” in spending because both sides know that Americans, like Europeans, want free stuff. Why should they buy a cell phone when Obama will give them one? Not ALL Americans, but a large number want government to provide them benefits, monetary and in kind, to make their lives better and they’ll vote for whoever promises them the most. Some, like myself, would rather keep working past retirement just to have a better life than sit at home, watch TV, surf the web and HOPE the federal government will keep sending my SocSec money every month.

  • am2sweet

    Whan a polling place called my house asking about who I was going to vote for I told them in these words, ” The lesser of two evils is Romney, so I will vote for him”. Sad that it has come down to where one is almost as bad as the other. Where are all the good men or women who care about this country and it’s citizens? And I do mean Legal citizens. And worse is that our country has been running more and more toward who has the most money instead of who can think about the good of everyone. As long as the government keeps growing at some point anyone working will be working for the government. Time for a change all right but not the direction these two are likely to lead us. Regarding what could happen if Romney started discounting the Constitution or anything else vital to the country is we could probably impeach him easier without anyone calling us racist.

  • mktngmama

    You need to get over this. It is too late for the ideal, but if you continue to present these two as the same, we will have Obama. No matter how statist Romney may seem, if we don’t get rid of Obamacare, none of the rest will matter. Romney may give indigestion, but Obama is poison! Please dont talk conservatives out of voting for Romney.

  • randykyle

    Ok. Contrary to the “concern” of some folks that the “coolade” of Romney is being consumed, remember this: The Republi-crat establishment foisted (another) RINO on we who were once loyal supporters. Unfortunately (this time), the “Republican” is our only viable path to ousting the disaster that is B.H. Obama. Follow the rolls of the Republican party constituency AFTER the election and I’m betting that you’ll see a substantial drop in numbers. The Conservative Party is growing by leaps and bounds, and could well replace the “Republi-crat” party as the “other” dominant party on the American political stage. As a people, busy with our own lives, we may have been slow to pick up on a well oiled scam, fueled by media lies, but we have definitely begun to awaken and respond to the “game”. Word of mouth and social media can perform miracles in bringing people up to speed.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZX5KZTXD77ODR6HGUP4ILDDFYE Mary

      Brother if they don’t pull their “head” out soon…there is a bunch of people that will do it forcefully!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Marshall/100001163952013 Bob Marshall

    If you haven’t watched these two videos on youtube, now would be a good time to do so. Romney Obama the Same? and The Ultimate Mitt Romney Flip-Flop Collection. I still remember when Ann Romney said that Mitt could win both sides of an argument. Politicians should remember that some people do pay attention to what they say. In this case it was the wife of the politician.

  • ARMYOF69

    I am probably far too old to see the day , when America will be run by people who LOVE America, instead of politicians who just love themselves. Our politicians have destroyed what was meant to be a country of the FREE , a Republic , that has become a Marxist Democracy.