Richard Mourdock: Another Example Of What It Means To Be Pro-Life

People are more confused than ever about what it means to be pro-life. We have people who think that abortions can be performed because of rape and incest and yet are viewed as pro-life. They are not. Richard Mourdock is running as an Indiana Republican Senate candidate. Recently he answered, in a debate, what he believes about life and when it begins.

In the short video, which is provided by Breitbart.com, in which they call it a “shock,” Mourdock gives a very pro-life and biblical response to a child conceived in rape.

He said,

“This is an issue that every candidate for either federal or state office faces and I too certainly stand for life. I know there are some who disagree and I respect their point of view, but I believe that life begins at conception. The only exception I have to have an abortion is the case of the life of the mother. I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is a gift from God and I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something that God intended to happen.”

Now this is nothing new to Bible believing Christians. Casting aside the emotions of the arguments placed here, which are definitely behind the title that includes the word “shock,” one could both biblically and logically argue that Mourdock is absolutely right.

This in no way justifies rape, nor does it endorse it. Genesis 30 gives a basis for understanding who is ultimately behind life.

Now when Rachel saw that she bore Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister, and said to Jacob, “Give me children, or else I die!” And Jacob’s anger was aroused against Rachel, and he said, “Am I in the place of God, who has withheld from you the fruit of the womb?”

Rape does not stop conception. There are cases in which the woman’s body, due to trauma prevents it, but the reality is that if there is life, then it is a gift of God.

I personally know a young lady who truly believes this. She was raped last year and became pregnant. Just a couple of months ago she gave birth to a healthy baby. She chose to see her circumstances in light of God’s decrees, which the Church has always held to. She sees that God has, in the midst of a terrible circumstance, given here a precious gift of life to hold and care for and raise for His glory. She does not feel burdened by the child at all. This does not justify the man who raped her. It merely sees that God is working even when bad things happen.

This is what is meant by “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

Children are a gift from God (Psalm 127, 128). Our society has failed to be just in dealing with those who commit such crimes as rape and give them a just punishment. Society also tends to stigmatize rape victims rather than love them and encourage them, should they become pregnant, to view the child as a gift from God, rather than add another sin of murder to the sin committed against them.

Sadly, presidential candidate Mitt Romney demonstrated that he is not pro-life when he distanced himself from Mourdock. This is not surprising given Romney’s record on abortion. The Christian Science Monitor reports,

Romney, who on Monday launched statewide ads endorsing Mourdock, distanced himself on Tuesday from the remark by his fellow Republican. “Governor Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock’s comments, and they do not reflect his views,” said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

Mourdock’s Democrat opponent Joe Donnelly said that rape “is a heinous and violent crime in every instance.”

“The God I believe in and the God I know most Hoosiers believe in, does not intend for rape to happen – ever,” Donnelly said in a statement after the debate, using the nickname for Indiana residents. “What Mr. Mourdock said is shocking, and it is stunning that he would be so disrespectful to survivors of rape.”

Mourdock issued a statement following the debate that said:

“God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that He does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick.”

Nothing in Mourdock’s statement is shocking to those of us who believe what the Bible teaches. That does not diminish the emotional aspect of rape, but quite often we find out that we make the wrong decisions when they are based on emotion and as a result people lose liberty or they lose life.

I’ll leave you with a parting thought. When the Old Testament story of Job is told, it indicates that Job lost everything except his nagging wife and friends that really weren’t good friends. He inherited sores, sat in sackcloth and ashes, had lost his possessions and children. Yet notice his response to his wife when she told him to curse God and die.

“You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

People that claim to be pro-life but then would allow the execution of a child simply because the father forced himself on the mother or even was a member of the immediate family are not pro-life. Mourdock is not one of these people. He is clearly pro-life, just as Todd Akin is. May God grant us more men who will stand upon their principles rather than waffle on the issue of life.




  • NAME ON HIS HAND

    If he is truly pro life he would not even allow for murder in the case of the mother’ s life (which is of course rare). Jesus gave His life for us. Why would we think it wrong for a mother to give her life for her baby, possibly? Murder is murder is murder, no matter how you slice it. I am sure I won’t be invited to speak at any debates!

  • MrWizard

    If you take the position that God wanted the child to happen, to be consistent, you have to hold the position that God wanted the rape to happen. If you hold, as Christians do, that God is omnipotent, all of the good and the bad occur on his watch.

    • Kris Lounsbury

      The Reformed position has historically held that God is in sovereign control of every event and every human action as well as every action of even the sub-atomic particles (inanimate entities). You are right in holding that if God is omnipotent, then nothing can happen outside of His sovereign plan and control–See for example, the crucifixion of His Son. This does not negate the sinful perpetrator’s sinful action or accountability. God is not the actor or doer of the sin but He certainly has control over it because of His very nature. Our problem is that we don’t understand how the pain and suffering caused by sin can be allowed by a loving and all powerful God. The only logical answer is that we don’t always know why God allows certain sins or specific sins. But one thing we do know–Everything that God causes or allows is going to work out for our good and for His glory. Joseph (Genesis) didn’t understand why God would allow his brothers to sell him into slavery, but later on in his life he did. Here’s the other option. A loving, biblical, sovereign God does not exist. If this option is true, then your objection about God and evil is moot because there can not be evil (in any objective sense) unless there is an objective measure of goodness. The existence of evil is actually one of the best arguments for the existence of the Biblical God. The transcendental argument for God’s existence is simple–The Biblical God exists because it’s impossible for Him NOT to exist. There are no grounds for logic, reason, rationality or the existence of evil without starting with the Biblical God.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      Amen Kris!

    • cyoder

      No, you could take the position that God wanted the child to happen in a loving way,and the rapist disobeyed God.

  • samtman

    I can just see it now. a rapist stands in front of the Judge being accused of raping a 17 year old girl, are you guilty rapist the Judge says, no said the rapist, God made me do it. Perfect excuse says the Judge, you can go home now and wait for the next word from God.

    • Apollo

      It figures you make a comment like this. No personal accountability or responsibility for GBH on a human being.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      samtman, yeah that is a complete distortion of what was said. God’s decrees are not Him “making someone do something.” Everyone desires to do what they do. Simple case in point was God’s own Son. Peter declares,

      Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

      Notice that God had a decree “determinate counsel and foreknowledge,” yet it was wicked men that crucified Christ. That is they desired and did it. God didn’t have a gun pointed at their head forcing them to do anything.

      You simply erect strawmen, topple them and declare victory, while you promote evolution……..which, since I assume you take that view because you believe there is no God, would be promoting a logical fallacy called the universal negative.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVWUUOQEXEPGC2MEBG72TU45WQ Steven

    I wish all the DemoRATS that believe in Abortion would have aborted all of the currewnt DemoRATS and we would be so much better off and Abomination wouldn’t be here and Biden, Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, Waters and so forth. Wouldn’t it be GREAT !!!! Viet Nam Vet 67-68

  • pearl87

    Romney is pro-abortion, and he always has been. I share the hope that Obama does not get re-elected, but I will not vote for Romney. I fear that we will learn the folly of voting for the “lesser of two evils” if Romney wins, because he will show that he is no different. God help this nation, when there are only a handful of pro-life politicians and they are reviled in the public square for their defense of the unborn.

  • samtman

    Let see, God wanted the girl or woman to have a baby, so he assigned a serial rapist to destroy this womans life. No thanks, another reason to be a non believer. Evolution makes a lot more sense to me.

    • Boyd

      Many women where done wrong by in the Bible, causing them to become pregnant, but none of these women had an abortion or killed the unborn child. These mothers gave birth unto the child. I’ve known several women that was raped or became pregnant incest and didn’t want to give birth unto the child. But this did nothing unto the mother or anything wrong. These mothers seen it was better to give birth unto child and have the child taken a birth, before they could see him and give these children unto families that couldn’t have children. It’s better to be called a giver of life or mother, instead of a murderer.

  • Jack Parker

    Human “life” begins when the fertilized egg (zygote) implants in the uterine wall. From that moment on it is a human baby and deserves all the care and protection available. It is not the child’s crime HOW it was created so rape and incest are NOT valid excuses for killing it. Abortion is murder and should be treated as such.

  • MYTAKE8

    Mr. Mourdock failed to consider that perhaps God was trying to bring to your attention and his that the conception of an UNWANTED CHILD was the ULTIMATE SIN CONNECTED WITH SEX regardless whether it was by mutual agreement or forced on one of the partners such as in rape.This would emphasize the lesson as described by Jesus in Matt;19 about UNWANTED CHILDREN.To force this VICTIM to keep and care for this UNWANTED CHILD would be an unconscionable burden and PUNISHMENT for something that was NOT her fault.Punishment should be levied on the rapist for NOT using protection.Castration comes to mind so that he might never again conceive an UNWANTED CHILD.Any man that is too cheap to buy a condom much less dinner before committing RAPE deserves no consideration whatsoever in preserving his opportunity to create more animals like himself.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      You make the mistake of saying that they have to keep the child. The child can be put up for adoption. They just are not allowed to murder it. Your complete distortion of what Jesus said in Matthew 19 is illegitimate. That is not even beginning to talk about this issue. It is about letting the little children at that time come to Jesus and Jesus said it was ok. To quote that as though it is relevant is completely ridiculous. There is no sin in sex. Sex outside of marriage most definitely is sinful and has lots of consequences. As for the rapist, why not just off him. That was a just punishment in the OT.

  • Noni77

    I would not have said “God intended it”, I do not believe God would intend anything in such a manner at all or for any reason. What he does as the Bible says in many places in many ways, is to turn the harm others intend to do to you, into good. An innocent child is good, now whether the mother keeps it or allows it to be adopted, it has the potential of bringing good.

  • ricbldwn

    I will send Mourdock a donation today..at: Richard Mourdock for US Senate
    PO Box 96596
    Wash DC 20090
    We need some God loving people in the godforsaken Senate.

  • progressiveandproud

    If men could be raped, abortion would be a civil right.

    People seem to be only to happy to make decisions about other peoples lives based on their personal beliefs. Adkins and Mourdock aren’t pro life, they are pro control of other peoples lives.

    • ricbldwn

      Your ignorance is rife.

    • farmdog

      Why should the mother be allowed to exercise this contol over the baby’s life? Your own logic refutes itself.

    • Jack Parker

      And you are a self-serving hypocrite.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      um, men are raped on a regular basis in prison……on top of that those numbers are growing in the military as well.

    • cordeg

      When Lincoln was engaged in fighting against slavery, his Democratic critics often attached him for being a northern “outsider” seeking to legislate against things that didn’t concern him. To Democrats of his day, only slave-owners and other southerners who lived in communities with slavery had any right to “interfere” with the exercise of this “constitutional right” to enslave African Americans. Even Northern Democrats didn’t go so far as to say slavery should end. They simply said that it should be left to “popular sovereignty” — that is, that their Southern Democratic comrades should be able to vote slavery up or down as their own selfish desires compelled them. They were, in the realest possible sense, “pro-choice” on slavery.

      You ought to be at least a tad humbled to find yourself repeating this same logic — that men seeking to legislate against abortion should somehow be disqualified because they aren’t faced with the decision of abortion themselves, and that if they were, they’d stop trying and instead enshrine abortion as a “civil right”. This argument is as specious now as it was in Lincoln’s day with regard to slaves.

      We’ve heard these arguments all before. The “pro-choice” crowd disingenuously says, “If you don’t want abortion, don’t have one!” Imagine the inhumanity of someone saying, “If you don’t want slavery, don’t own one!” — yet that’s exactly one of the arguments Democrats used against Lincoln. And just like today’s Democrats in Congress who fight to restrict debate on abortion and showing “graphic depictions” of abortion in congress, the Democrats of the early 19th century passed “gag rules” that restricted the ability of abolitionists to debate slavery in congress or to introduce constituent petitions against slavery or testimony from actual slaves into the record.

      A more significant look at the arguments and tactics of Democrats then and now than there is room to perform here would demonstrate that in very significant ways the pro-life movement is the “abolitionist” movement of our time.

      In the prior case, abolitionists sought to force one class of humans (white) to treat another class of humans (black) as human beings rather than property. In the present case, pro-lifers seek to force one class of humans (born) to treat another class of humans (unborn) as human beings rather than property. In both cases, the Democratic opposition complained that it was the “pro-choice” side that was seeking to increase civil rights and the “abolitionist” side that was seeking to restrict liberty. Irony doesn’t get any richer than that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.benton.50 William Benton

    We need more people like Richard Murdock. Any way you slice it an unborn baby being killed is murder. I do not know how anyone could look in to the eyes of infant and think it is alright to kill him or her.

  • cordeg

    First, let me say that I completely agree with the author’s comments on Mourdock’s position. Clearly, he is being intellectually honest and logical about exceptions to abortion limits, which is what people who are ruled by emotion find so “shocking”. Frankly, if exceptions were allowed in cases of rape, it would make “sense” only as an emotional appeal by people driven more by their feelings bout the female victim that they see than by the male or female victim they don’t see (hidden in the womb). After all, if such an exception were granted on the grounds of our feeling sorry for the rape victim, it would be the only instance of any criminal statute that expressly allowed mortal harm to an innocent 3rd party as compensation to the victim of a crime. Imagine, if you will, if a legislator suggested that if a thief robbed your home, that you were allowed to kill your innocent neighbor. Crazy, you say? But of course. Or let’s perfect the analogy: imagine that you were raped (without conceiving) and beaten almost unto death in front of your 3-year old child. Afterward, every time you looked into your child’s face, it reminded you of the look they had watching helplessly as you were raped and beaten, and thereby made you relive the horror of the rape and near-death experience. Perhaps this horror was so bad that you sought therapy. Now, should you be allowed to kill your 3-year old child to eliminate the source of these horrific memories? I should hope not. Horrible as it may be, the society in which you live must insist on truly humane laws, and require you to do your best to maintain the life of a fetal human being within you.

    That said, I must say that I approach this issue from a slightly different position than the author (and, most of the poster’s who support him, I’d wager). That is, although I am a Catholic, and my religious beliefs inform my opinions on many things, my position on abortion is far more secular/scientific/medical than most other pro-life people. For example, while I believe that sanctified human life begins at conception, I do not require civil society to agree with me. As such, I am willing to attach “civil rights” to a human being at the point modern medicine considers a woman “pregnant” — that is, at “implantation” (about day 6 after conception). This, as it happens, allows any woman who is raped to report the crime (or not) and be attended to by medical personnel, who can quite easily stop implantation such that the fertilized egg exits the uterus very much as many do by nature and the will of God, never to become a fetal human being or even a human embryo.

    On this point, I may differ from many pro-life people who base their political position solely on their religious beliefs. However, I am satisfied with my position for two reasons.

    I believe that the anti-abortion movement today is the abolitionist movement of our time. Where a generation a century and a half ago won the battle against one class of humans (white) who believed they could treat another class of humans (black) as if they were property rather than human beings, today’s pro-life movement seeks to force one class of humans (born) to treat another class (unborn) as human beings rather than property of the mother, to be disposed of as easily and legally as one used to be able to dispose of a slave. In that vein, I find myself living in the shadow of two great men at one time sitting at two vertices of the spectrum of anti-slavery advocates.

    First, there was William Lloyd Garrison, a very religious man who looked at a slave and asked “Is he not my brother? Is she not my sister?” and by that measure alone could not shrink from his abolitionist positions. These are the questions I find myself asking when I think of a fetal human being threatened by abortion. Frankly, no disrespect to religion for sure, but who really needs to appeal to religion when this significantly secular perspective is sufficient to come to the aid of these innocents? Quite simply: who the heck are we to declare for ourselves the benefits of self-governance but deny it to those fetal human beings who have not yet managed to exit the womb?

    However, there was also Abraham Lincoln, first Republican president of the United States, anti-slavery man, and punching bag for many a fellow abolitionist because he was viewed as less than perfect in his position on the issue. Now, anyone who has read more seriously of Lincoln’s own statements, writings, and actions against slavery would know that virtually all of the nit picking, hair-splitting, and cherry picking done by people both then and now to focus on Lincoln’s imperfections are merely an effort to tear him down in order to elevate ourselves (I fear the up-coming Liberal Hollywood treatment of Lincoln in the new Spielberg movie will be more of the same, largely in an effort to make our current president seem more Lincoln-esque than Lincoln himself). Garrison spent many years complaining of Lincoln’s supposed apostasy on abolition — just as the author attacks Romney for his — yet in the end even Garrison proclaimed that only Lincoln could have produced the political and social revolution that ultimately ended slavery in the US. Even Garrison realized that had Lincoln adopted Garrison’s absolutist position, he would likely have never been elected, if elected would most likely have been impeached and thrown out of office, and could never have achieved the actual victory over slavery that might never have come back within reach forever after.

    In the event, I have come to find myself more Lincoln than Garrison in my pro-life position. I am not trying to convince God that in every battle I allow no room for light between my religious convictions and my position in civil society. Instead, I am trying — as Lincoln did better than Garrison — to win the war rather than the battle and achieve the ultimate goal of protecting innocent human life in all ways possible.

    As such, I do not ridicule or attack men like Mitt Romney because they fall short of the position of Christ or even of the present author. Christ did not end abortion anywhere, nor is the author likely to do so. Mitt Romney will not likely achieve a breakthrough of the breath-taking magnitude of Lincoln, but he is more likely to do more to win the war against our own inhumanity with regard to abortion than the author or even all of the absolutist “life begins at conception” folks in the country put together.

    Following this view, just imagine, if you will, if as a society we could take the following reasonable steps:

    1) ban abortions for all reasons outside the normal rules of “justifiable homicide” (e.g., saving the life of the mother) after the point where medical science is capable of detecting recognizable human brain waves from a fetus — that being a rational and scientifically measurable bookend to the point at which civil courts have ruled that humans can lose their “right to life” on the grounds the cessation of such brain waves proves they are in an permanent vegetative state. (current medical science places this point at about 6 WEEKS after conception, so this would eliminate a significant percentage of abortions currently performed)

    2) ban abortions for all reasons outside the normal rules of “justifiable homicide” after the point of “implantation”, when medical science considers a woman pregnant. (this occurs at about 6 DAYS after conception, so this would eliminate almost all abortions)

    Does this not seem a far more likely progression than that absolutist pro-life positions based solely on religious tenets not shared by all your fellow Americans? The above positions cannot be attacked on the grounds of “church – state” separation, “imposing religion” on people not sharing the same religion, or being unscientific.

    Meanwhile, the Alan Guttmacher Institute — a decidely “pro-choice” organization that claims a mission statement of ensuring the full spectrum of “reproductive rights” to all women world-wide — admits that abortion providers themselves report the reasons for women seeking an abortion include a mere 1% for rape (INCLUDING incest), meaning that a man like Romney who is willing at this point in our societal development to allow an exception for rape and incest DIFFERS NO MORE THAN 1 PERCENT FROM YOU.

    Perhaps this knowledge will help you to avoid spending too much time complaining about the mote in Romney’s eye while missing the log in your own — emulating Garrison has much to recommend it, but effectiveness in achieving the ultimate goal is NOT one of those things. It may well make you fell better about yourself — as it did Garrison — but it is not likely to save as many innocent lives as the more rational and methodical approach of “imperfect” men such as Lincoln or Romney.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Allan-Sims/1250302910 Richard Allan Sims

      This is a great blog post! I’m glad that you put so much thought and research into it.

    • Noni77

      Well said.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      Thanks for your comments. The issue is not when the medical community believes a woman is pregnant. The issue is when does life begin? They are not the same thing. Human brain waves do not determine when life begins. Many people have endured accidents and lost brain activity for days or weeks and have regained those. Were they somehow not living? Same thing could be said for heartbeats and such. Science is incapable of defining WHEN life begins. We must go to the giver of life to discover when that is. The rest of the arguments above should be based on that, not when medical science claims there is a pregnancy.

    • cordeg

      Actually, I think I know what you meant about a vegetative state sometimes being transient, but I don’t know of any human recovering actual brain wave activity. You may be thinking of people in a “vegetative state” for days, weeks, months, or even years, before regaining consciousness. Of course, those people were still “alive” even while vegetative, but they would not have been “alive” if their brain waves had actually ceased.

      Keep in mind that being in a coma, a vegetative state, or even a “persistent vegetative” state is not the same thing has having no brain waves. In all but the last case, the brain is still functioning, albeit at a diminished level, but something is interfering with consciousness and/or “awareness”. When the latter occurs, however, the brain is no longer functioning — this is “brain death”, and is a statutory indicator of human death. “Death” used to be associated with having no pulse/heartbeat, but since medical science figured out how to restart a heart, this is no longer considered a sufficient measure of death. Lack of brain wave activity, however, is sufficient, and there is no such thing as a “defibrillator” for restarting brain wave activity. It is not any of the former — potentially reversible — conditions to which I refer above, but the latter. I perhaps should not have casually used the term “permanent vegetative state” as a means to distinguish from the potentially reversible “persistent vegetative state”, as this likely led to your confusion. The cessation of brain wave activity means Death, simply put, which is what I perhaps clumsily meant to indicate by poor use of the term “permanent”.

      To your larger point, if you read my words completely, you would see that you’ve missed the largest part of my point. Of course, the point when your religious convictions inform you “when does life begin?” is not necessarily the same as the point where the medicine determines a woman is pregnant. However, you can’t very well “terminate a pregnancy” before anyone in a society — science included — would claim a pregnancy exists. This is an important consideration when attempting to affect legislation regarding abortion. Likewise, my point of deferring to scientific evidence when attempting to affect the limits placed legislatively on abortion. That is, if the law already says that a human being ceases to be “alive” and no longer has protection of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” when their brain waves cease, then how can all those “scientific” pro-abortion rights people rightly claim that the start of such brain waves doesn’t legitimately define when we are required to call them “alive” and worthy of protection of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”?

      As to your general point of having to decide “when human life begins” to an accuracy with which our Creator would agree, I submit that this is quite likely an effort humans shall never manage on Earth. The best we can do — and this is the kind of distinction that separated Lincoln from Garrison — is make a rational argument that can carry the day in convincing the people of a society to elect rulers who legislate that argument into law. This is the main point of both the “implantation” and “start of brain wave activity” measures, since both are definitive and scientifically measurable — quite different from such squishy notions as “viability” or philosophical notions of “when life begins”. The law, you see, doesn’t actually operate within such parameters. It does not much care for your religious or philosophical concepts, but wants instead to know “when do human rights begin?” — that is, when does the law recognize you as an entity protected by law?

      Now, you may maintain your argument in terms of “when life begins” according to your understanding of God’s mind and purpose, and you — like Garrison — may succeed in shaping public opinion in some limited way. However, to succeed — like Lincoln — in changing public opinion en masse and thereby securing the means to change the law (and especially the Constitution, and with it our Constitutional Rights), you must approach the pro-life cause from within the reference frame of the civil society you seek to change. Your approach may win you some converts to your religious perspective and thereby increase your congregation, but to change the Nation, you must make your argument in ways that can be legislated. No one is going to legislate that “God says life begins at conception”. My argument above is that the only way we can ever reduce and potentially eliminate abortion entirely except as “justifiable homicide” to save the mother’s life, is to approach it in scientifically/medically-justified steps.

      Don’t; lose the forest for the trees, my friend.

    • samtman

      Where in either Bible does God say life begins at conception. In the Jewish tradition the soul does not enter the body antil the 40th day, Wonder what the reason for that is.

    • cordeg

      Likely because the number “40″ appears in many biblical settings and has thus been invested with significant meaning to “tradition”. If you know enough about Judaism to know this tradition, you probably also know that as well. By tradition, Moses was believed to be 40 years old when he went rejected Pharaoh and went out to be with his people. By scripture, he wandered for 40 years in the desert with his people. Moses was on the mountain with God for 40 days. It rained for 40 days while Noah was on the ark. He waited another 40 days after the rain stopped to check things out. Jonah gave the people of Nineveh 40 days warning of God’s wrath. There are other examples I don’t recall (I’m not Jewish, but I studied the Bible in school a long, long, looong time ago).

      Such is all that is really needed to enforce “tradition”, which is by definition not based on any specific revelation from God as His Word transcribed by man. Therefore, there is nothing but “tradition” to suggest 40 “souless” days for human beings. In fact, it’s hard to imagine anyone several thousand years ago even knowing what they might THEMSELVES mean by the 40th days of “the body”, as they had little understanding what a “the body” meant. Do you think they’d have considered a zygote “the body”? A blastocyst? An embryo? Likely they would have considered a fetus “the body”, as it would have been recognizably human if they had any way of seeing it, such as the case of a failed pregnancy (i.e., spontaneous abortion), and the 40-day rule may well have been meant simply to decide how to deal with such mundane things as the proper burial requirements for a Jewish “person” in such cases (that last is pure speculation, of course, for which purpose God gave me a brain).

      It is such as this that compels me to approach the pro-life position from a path parallel to my religion, but entirely based on medicine, science, and civil rights. In that I see no REQUIREMENT for a religious argument against abortion, though such are certainly not unwelcome or inappropriate — however, I do find them to be insufficient to the task of legislating civil rights protections for fetal human beings, which ought to be the whole point of being human.

  • Joanne S.

    I wonder if Romney was given a clear picture of what happened and what was really said. The media distort constantly. Romney should have begged off until he “had all the facts,” stonewalling like the Democrats do all the time. The difference between the Dems and the GOP is clear. The Dems never apologize, double-down, and get their fellow Dems to back them up and change the subject. The GOP pull back, apologize even when they were right in the first place in an attempt to get the media off their back, and eat each other alive. The one thing I admire about the Dems is they memorize those talking points and spit them out whenever they get a question they don’t want to answer. Doesn’t matter if it’s on another topic because the point is simply to escape the question and not allow themselves to get cornered.

  • pmenera

    How truly frightening, that ,we as a society even have to debate the issue of “when life begins”..Even if you do not believe in God..science has given us all the information we need to know that , from the moment of conception, all the genomes are present that constitute the make-up of a “person”, a human being. That is the science. God Bless Mr. Mourdock for having the courage to stand strong on this issue, in a world that has contorted their morals to conform with their convenience! Most people who are so outraged at Mourdock’s statement, are the same people who are outraged at the death penalty for those who murder or rape because..”what if we execute someone who is innocent??”..How then do these same people justify the murder, execution of the MOST INNOCENT??? God have Mercy on us all!

  • Sick And Tired

    Yeah, rape is evil, but if you believe life begins at conception, then what a woman carries in her womb is a human being, regardless of how it got there. The baby did not commit rape, and should not have to suffer a death penalty. The rapist, however, should, in my opinion. Rape should be punished heavily, and false accusations of rape should punished just as heavily.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elyseroeslercoleman Elyse Roesler Coleman

    “May God grant us more men who will stand upon their principles rather than waffle on the issue of life.” AMEN!