October Surprise: Unemployment 7.8% & 2 Months Revision Has Pundits Questioning Validity


Hilda+Solis+Solis+Announces+Labor+Dep+t+Partnership+HtoRif3LRDklIt looks like this is an October Surprise on behalf of Team Obama. The word out of the Bureau of Labor Statistics today is that jobs have increased by 114,000 in September, which isn’t even close to keeping up with population growth and that the unemployment number fell to 7.8%. However, there were also revisions to the previous two months which increased job numbers to a total of 84,000 (August was adjusted to add 40,000 jobs, while July added 44,000), which has some pundits questioning the validity of the numbers.

The Associated Press reports,

Wages rose in September. And more people started looking for work.

The revisions show employers added 146,000 jobs per month from July through September, up from 67,000 in the previous three months.

The 7.8 percent unemployment rate for September matches the rate in January 2009, when Obama took office. In the months after Obama’s inauguration, the rate rose sharply and had topped 8 percent for 43 straight months.

Obviously these number changes come at a critical point in the election cycle. Obama just came off a horrible debate performance and now all of a sudden numbers are drastically altered for the past two months and the unemployment numbers are at a 44 month low. This led CNBC to ask Labor Secretary Hilda Solis about the suspicious numbers and whether the Obama administration would have skewed the numbers to help Obama’s re-election prospects. Here’s the breakdown of the conversation:

CNBC: We’re getting bombarded by people who do not believe the number. They believe this number was fixed and typed to coincide with Election Day. What do you say to them?…I’ll rephrase the question. A lot of people do not believe the 7.8 number. They believe that somehow BLS fixed this to coincide with the election cycle. What is labor’s response?

Solis: You know, I’m insulted when I hear that because we have a very professional, civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the BLS. They’ve been doing these calculations. These are — these are our best trained and best-skilled individuals working in the BLS, and it’s really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement, and I say that because just look at the — we have to look at what happens across the board, not just in one month, but look what happened in the last two months. We also saw revisions there upwards of 86,000 additional jobs added and this brings us now to 5.2 million private sector jobs across the board, we saw 104 private sector jobs created….

CNBC: Before I let you go, you say skepticism over the numbers are ludicrous. You say you’re insulted. Is there a danger, you believe, when large sections was country don’t believe the data. Not that it’s ever been considered gospel, but when you have disbelief how much danger is embedded in that?

Solis: I will tell you that we look at each report differently. We just saw revisions for the last two months and this happens. I mean, these are estimates that obviously, the BLS puts out. They do the best calculation, using the best measurements and tools and we’ve been using them for the past 70 years. We haven’t changed anything and the information that I received is given to me by our professional, civil service staff in the BLS.

She’s insulted? Really? Well that is what happens when you work in an administration that has been caught in lie after lie and fudging the numbers is not beyond the realm of possibility here.

What is most interesting is the dramatic drop in unemployment numbers in the governement sector. The numbers have gone from 5.7% in July to 5.15% in August to 4.3% in September! It seems government is the problem here as they are putting more people to work at higher wages an a bigger burden on taxpayers than the private sector is.

Interestingly enough the US Postal Service, whose employees are considered to be federal workers, employed 610,000 in July, 609,000 in August and 606,900 in September. Yet, they have defaulted on pre-payments of over $5 billion for future health benefits for two consecutive months!


Joel Pollack makes a very good point in noting
:

Note that Solis describes the 86,000 upward revision as if it were an increase in private sector jobs, though in fact the increase came entirely from revisions to public sector payrolls by cash-strapped federal and state governments. Instead of shedding jobs, as previously claimed, governments have been adding jobs.



  • undunder

    I didn’t her her say that the pundits who question he validity of the numbers were wrong – just that she is insulted. Big whoop if she is insulted. I’m isulted that she thinks Americans are stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516859771 John Sweet

    Part of the explanation for what happened in September, they said, was
    that their survey of households — which is the basis for the
    jobless rate calculation — determined that 873,000
    more people were working last month. That’s almost eight times more
    than what the survey of employers showed in new jobs.

    “Part of the explanation for what
    happened in September, they said, was that their survey of households
    — which is the basis for the jobless rate calculation —
    determined that 873,000 more people were working last month. That’s
    almost eight times more than what the survey of employers showed in
    new jobs.”

    Note the employers report eight times
    over what they reported?

    Note also that it was a survey, but
    just try and find their methodology report anywhere, why is that?

    Strange how suddenly via new ways to
    count the figures things that were very bad suddenly became just
    great in time for the elections!

    How is this legal let alone truthful?

    “The monthly jobs report is prepared
    with raw data collected by Census workers. The workers interview
    Americans in about 60,000 households or visit them door-to-door.”

  • craig

    so when is there going to be a taxpayer strike?

  • http://www.facebook.com/lgreenwilson Lisa Dayanan-Cabigas Green-wil

    The unemployment rate here in NV is over 12%. I don’t know where they got thier figure of 8.1%? A lot of people are not receiving uneployment benifits because he cut it off in July 7, 2012 for those who had been unemployed for over a year. So in reality, the NV unemployment is much higher than 12%. Because actually a lot of people are not counted being unemployed, since they are not listed as receiving “unemployment benifits” anymore. So thier figure of 8.1% is so misleading. I am a living proof, And I can attest to this!!! He needs to go, So let’s get our votes in in November to send him packing back to Kenya!!!

  • jaxholley

    I can’t believe that she coun’t believe that people didn’t believe their numbers. However she admited that they had screwed up the numbers for the previous two numbers..not by a little but by a lot. I don’t know the percentages but I bet they are high. DUH do they really think we are that stupid? Remember its the economy and we are not stupid!

  • Nadine

    How convient!! And BO is out there praising himself! What a complete disgusting show of EGO! How many people stopped looking for jobs! And those that did get a job must be part timers at Burger King! Not Career jobs & the GDP is down too! There is NO growth since BO started transforming OUR country! The only thing growing is his NOSE! OH..How much is GAS where you are!!

  • JRJ

    I wonder how much time the Chicago political mafia practiced looks of joy in order to try to pull this off? Trouble is, even the liberals don’t appear to believe it. I certainly don’t. They have just used new rules – millions of people who are no longer looking for jobs because they are pretty happy with the nanny state handout would change the stats dramatically. The white house gave instructions to the ‘Boeing’ companies to not hand out their termination notifications until AFTER the elections. This is in direct defiance of a federal law. They were assured by the administration to not worry about it. If the future unemployed tried to sue them, they (the administration) would pick up the tab. If this mob gets in again, we are doomed. Do not let it happen, please!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5P73LT3ABJXXILIHMH6SK6B7OM Wild Thing

    These people who work for Obama tell as many lies as he does. They know their job for the next four years depend upon obama, so yeah the unemployment figures right before the election are going to start looking great so Obama can get the sheep to vote for him again.

  • ARMYOF69

    It’s in retaliation to the very sudden raise in gas pricing. NONE OF THIS $HIT IS REAL. Both parties are paying games, and WE pay the price.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5P73LT3ABJXXILIHMH6SK6B7OM Wild Thing

      Obama’s game is a deadly game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.e.hughes Lawrence Hughes

    Anyone else catch her comment about having added 104 private sector jobs… all the rest of the 86,000 were PUBLIC sector? Private sector jobs should be +1 to the total, since they actually CREATE wealth. Public sector jobs should count as -1 because they create nothing of value and are a net drain on the economy. Sounds like 85,896 job LOSS to me.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5P73LT3ABJXXILIHMH6SK6B7OM Wild Thing

      I saw that. I was wondering if that was a mistype, or was she actually letting the truth slip out.

  • ketrout

    I don’t believe these numbers and I do believe that Obama and his administration are using FUZZY MATH again.

    • TLady62

      That’s what I thought when I heard the news. As Rush Limbaugh had stated months earlier, the BLS would massage the numbers down to give Obama a boost in the polls. Nevermind the dirty details.

  • Mutt

    Figures don’t lie………but liars figure. The Zerobama folks aren’t even good at it anymore.

  • Jasper

    The numbers don’t seem to add up. I see Chicago shenanagans at play.
    Two of the econmists that work at the bureau of labor statistics are big Obama donors,
    fancy that. There is great skepticism. Someone will get to the bottom of this.
    Don’t forget when Dan Rather tried to pass off forgeries as proof of wrongdoing by Bush.

  • samtman

    It was a big dissapointment for the rich and Romney that the additional 200,000 heads of families got jobs, I said 200,000 because that includes 85,000 that were not reported in August and July. But I dont’t care about that, I think its great that 200,000 more middle class families can pay their bills. Sure, its a very slow recovery, at the height of the great recession the unemployment figure was 10.5 %, it was now brought down to 7.8% , the Obama administration was shooting for for 8% or under, this was acomplished. But still needs to go down to about 5.5% full employment, This only hapend during WW II and under Bush II during the housing boom that caused the housing bubble. As a matter of fact, if it were not for the thousands of illigals working in the housing industry, workers would have to have been imported to build all these new homes. iN stead of congratulating these 200,000 workers who got jobs. he po pood these new job numbers as juts not good enouogh and he could do better. He just can.t become that guy with that nice fuzzy feeling about the middle class that the RNC wants hlim to have. You can’t try to kill Bib Bird and be a nice guy,

    • Rawhide

      I guess you aren’t very good at math or reading the news and depend on the msm to tell you what to think. I guess you also get your programming as an obot by reading BOs’ website. These number come, not from an actual increase in jobs, but more from the number of people no longer drawing unemployment, meaning that they are no longer counted as unemployed, even though they are not employed. There are more than 23 million underemployed or unemployed and no longer counted as unemployed. So the REAL UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ARE AROUND 16%. So hoe does that grab you?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004246691037 Paul Thomas

      Now what about all the real unemployed, who will they vote for?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5P73LT3ABJXXILIHMH6SK6B7OM Wild Thing

      Whatever happened to Obama promising unemployment would never go above 8%? Samtman, how quickly you forget.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004246691037 Paul Thomas

      Would care for a sh*tsandwich along with kool-aid you are drinking??

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cathy-Chancellor-Wright/1095074495 Cathy Chancellor Wright

      Take the U6 figure… that’s the real one. (That’s the one that INCLUDES all of the people who have given up on getting a job and gone into the black hole of “not in the labor force”, as well as those who have given up on getting a job and gone for a part-time job.) It’s 14.7%! If the total number of people in the work force now was the same as those in the work force when Obama took office the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

  • jdangiel

    Rush predicted it, he replayed his predictions and he explained where the phoney numbers are coming from. It’s down to 7.8 percent (maybe) of the remaining people still looking or still working in a much smaller universe of available jobs (thanks to Nobammy). After he loses the next debate it’ll be down to 5 percent.

  • M. Andrews

    This is prettty much a joke and everyone knows it… this will be fixed much like the eleection will be fixeed in favor of Obama..