Federal Court: OK With Indefinite Detention of American Citizens


ndaaLate last Tuesday a three-judge motions panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit sided with the Obama administration and extended the stay that New York federal judge Raymond Lohier granted to block a previous ruling to permanently block Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

Last month District Judge Katherine Forrest permanently blocked the section claiming that “First Amendment rights have already been harmed and will be harmed by the prospect of (the law) being enforced.”

“We conclude that the public interest weighs in favor of granting the government’s motion for a stay,” Appeals Court Judges Denny Chin, Raymond Lohier and Christopher Droney wrote in a three-page order that also expedited the appeal. Each judge was appointed to the appeals court by Barack Obama.

The order continues:

First, in its memorandum of law in support of its motion, the government clarifies unequivocally that, ‘based on their stated activities,’ plaintiffs, ‘journalists and activists[,] . . . are in no danger whatsoever of ever being captured and detained by the U.S. military.’

Second, on its face, the statute does not affect the existing rights of United States citizens or other individuals arrested in the United States. See NDAA § 1021(e) (‘Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.’).

Third, the language of the district court’s injunction appears to go beyond NDAA § 1021 itself and to limit the government’s authority under the Authorization for Use of Military Force…

Steve Watson reports,

Critics have argued that the provisions also violate the Fifth Amendment, which specifically mentions due process of law, and the “equal protection” clause of the 14th Amendment which states that all people be treated the same under the law.

“This pernicious law poses one of the greatest threats to civil liberties in our nation’s history,” writes Brian J. Trautman. Under AUMF, “this law can be used by authorities to detain (forever) anyone the government considers a threat to national security and stability – potentially even demonstrators and protesters exercising their First Amendment rights.”

The federal government argues that the National Defense Authorization Act did not expand its authority beyond what already existed under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) , as interpreted by judges in Guantánamo Bay habeas corpus cases.

Josh Gerstein points out that “The case will go forward now before what will likely be a different trio of judges, but the stay will likely remain in place pending resolution of the government’s appeal.”

“The import of the law is disputed,” he writes. “Proponents say it simply reinforced authority a federal appeals court in Washington had already accorded to the U.S. government, at least as far as foreigner are concerned. Critics say the measure exposes journalists and human rights activists who meet with alleged terrorists to the prospect of open-ended detention.”

So it appears that Obama not only signed the law, but also has put in place his people at the appeals level to ensure it stays in place and sadly, whether it is Obama in office or Mitt Romney, both have affirmed that they think it is perfectly fine to declare U.S. citizens to be terrorists and hold them indefinitely without due process. Exhibit A would be former marine Brandon Raub.

Catch Ben Swann’s take on Obama and his attorneys attempts to keep Section 1021 in place:





  • http://twitter.com/chaotixjoe NamelessN00b
  • du

    All those who worship the Constitution, don’t read further…be happy in ignorance. All government and their laws are limited to a specific territory. Find the territory, know the law of that territory and its authority. A great CON has been played upon the american public. The ink wasn’t dry on the Declaration of Independence before the 34 snakes meeting in secrecy tried to undo all that marvelous document enshrined. You’ll learn just how crafty the 4th law document–the con–is. Learn more from this ex attorney and law and government expert: http://www.edrivera.com

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXBXB2ER5P4ZNCBEZVITE5FTEI morris

    The arrest of someone on trumped up charges is nothing new, but ot deny the access to an attorney, to make the arrest without formal charges or warrent, and to hold them incomunicado is beyond the intended scope of our Constitution. Any Judge that votes to allow this law to be in place in nothing more that a political puppet and should be charged with the crime of injecting their own personal political opinion into a decision, swaying to the intent or desire of someone outside the court or not reporting the intimidation of court justices.

  • rigorousm

    Indefinite retention is.Obama’s doing-bypassing congress..Yes the 3 judges are in Obama’s pocket.It will be like living in Russia if indefinite retention is the White house game.Mr Obama knows Mao’s Little red book very well too.Graduallly we are having our freedoms taken away from us to the point we won’t be a democracy any more.

  • http://theglobal99movement.blogspot.com/ Christopher M. Tucker

    No one has debunked this analysis demonstrating that the NDAA is even more horrifying than critics imagine:

    http://theglobal99movement.blogspot.com/2012/10/losing-biggest-constitutional-showdown.html

  • FED UP

    The more I read the posted comments I truly believe We are playing into the hands of obummer and Our Great Country is sadly becoming so divided with anger and hate that We may never be able to recover to be the Great Nation We once were . God Bless The USA and please help Me be wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.mcgrogan Lawrence Mcgrogan

    What a load maybe some judges need to find A new job! Are we the people going to stand for this, if so we must be on crack! I’m pretty sure this IS America

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.schafer.355 Jim Schafer

    here we go again! ! ! a second revolutionary war may be on the federal horizon. I am praying to Jehovah that this is not the case. but unless a great revival of Christian principles is seen then this may be the only resolution. 2 Chronicles 7:14 gives the “recipe” for God’s Grace and mercy which is the GREATEST need that we have ever needed since the foundation of this great nation. but when God’s people, those that have a personal relationship with Him, become disobedient, there is only one resolution of their problems(sin), and the judgment of God on His people, and those that are around them also are in the middle of the disciplines of God on His children. Look at the Old Testament and how Jehovah dealt with Israel, when they became prideful, and rebellious, and disobedient, and other national sinful states, which is similar to the condition of our nation(to include myself). I see only one other result that is headed our way—the hand of judgment of God. Personally, I see that He may be using the actions of terrorism as a possible means of this discipline.
    America, especially the children of God that know Christ, personally, I am requesting that we begin to look at our behaviors and actions as well as our motives and align them with Biblical principles and until they are parallel with His word, then I foresee the wrath of God as being the ONLY thing that we can expect. So, what is it going to be? The Wrath of God or the blessings of God? it can possibly be seen at the election booths this term.

  • usluv

    Another piece of BS that Romney will have to reverse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000381452745 Robert Wheatley

    Democrats always get judges to do for them what they could never get at the ballot box. This decision, much like everything Obama has done in the last four years and like nearly every decision the 2nd, third and ninth federal courts decide, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!

  • Jill

    First Muslim president needs to be voted out………

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674910566 Joan Thivierge Charron

    Those 3 judges will never go against the anointed one who appointed them to the bench and in whose pocket they safely reside. Another part of the Communist Manifesto being foisted upon a once free nation. Welcome to the United Communist States. Thanks, Obama!

  • 317david

    All I hear from your posts are a bunch of do nothing chicken sh!!!!ts that won’t stand up and fight, what is wrong with you idiots, do you think they(government)cares if you don’t like it, so what you had better wake up and fight for you rights and I mean FIGHT!
    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
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