White House Confirms Obama Wants To Ban Guns


obama-virginia-fire-station-cropped-proto-custom_28During the White House Press Conference on Monday, not only did Press Secretary Jay Carney put distance from Harry Reid’s comments concerning Mitt Romney’s failure to pay taxes for ten years, yet not disavow the remarks, but he also affirmed the fact that Barack Obama is also out to ban guns, something we’ve known all along. He affirmed Obama’s position to re-institute the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

Of course I warned about such calls for more gun control on Monday.

When asked whether Obama supported renewing the 1994-2004 federal ban of semi-automatic weapons for civilians, Carney responded,

“He does support renewing the assault weapons ban,” and he added that “there has been reluctance by Congress to pass that renewal.”

I will interject to say there is good reason that Congress doesn’t act. Banning supposed “assault weapons” does nothing to stop criminals from acquiring them. The Obama administration should know this best seeing that they delivered some 2,500 semi-automatic weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, which were responsible for at least two U.S. federal agent deaths and the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans. As I’ve said before we need more politician control legislation rather than gun control legislation.

While Carney said that the administration intends to push for gun safety “under existing law” and “not infringe upon Second Amendment rights of citizens” the fact is that is the exact opposite of what such measures do. The issue is not “gun safety.” That is merely the marketing of the Obama administration. Gun safety is what an individual does, not what government does. The Obama administration is not interested in gun safety. They are interested in gun banning.

Understand something here. The call for the ban of semi-automatic weapons is a call for most modern guns on the market. According to Reuters, the shooter at the Sikh temple was using a simple Springfield 9mm semiautomatic handgun.

Josh Sugarmann, , executive director of the Violence Policy Center, a nonprofit group that advocates to reduce gun violence, said,

“There is no valid reason for civilians to have assault rifles, semiautomatic handguns and high-capacity magazines. We have to start ratcheting down the firepower in civilian hands in the United States.”

You see, this is just an echo of the Obama administration. There are plenty of valid reasons for law-abiding citizens to posses “assault” rifles, semiautomatic handguns and high-capacity magazines. If we are to believe Mr. Sugarmann, then if those semi-automatic guns are out of the hands of the population, then there is absolutely no need for any government official to have a body guard armed with a semi-automatic handgun. Furthermore, there is no need for police to be armed with them either.

If there is a cry from these people who want more gun control and gun bans, then they need to follow their “illogic” to its logical conclusion and that would mean there would be no need for any semi-automatic guns at all. That is not the case though and they know it. Their is no Utopia like liberals assume in our future simply because men are fallen and because they are fallen they need means of protection against those men who lack self-control.

I never know how I will have to defend myself in public or in my own home. This is why there needs to continue to be high capacity magazines as well as a variety of weapons to choose from. Against military it is small for sure, but against common criminals law abiding citizens should be able to purchase a weapon of choice without government cutting those options off.

Carney finished the section regarding the assault weapons ban with the following:

“The president’s approach is that we should work with Congress where possible — and administratively where allowed — to advance common-sense measures that enhance our security, that keep deadly weapons out of the hands of criminals and others who shouldn’t have them, under existing law, but that protects Second Amendment rights, which the president thinks is an important goal as well.”

You see, we hear the “where possible” type of comment on things such as the cybersecurity bill, which Obama is considering using executive order to implement, which would be a clear violation of the powers he has under the Constitution. Not only that but Carney uses the phrase “deadly weapons.” Isn’t that interesting? Well now, according to TSA box cutters are deadly weapons and so are plastic knives, nail files, fingernail clippers. I mean if we are going to use the term “deadly weapon,” that really is in the eye of the beholder. Everything in our lives can be a deadly weapon, including some very well trained people!

Personally, I don’t care if people say, “Well other presidents have issued Executive Orders like that.” That doesn’t make it right. Law is to be made in the Legislative Branch, not the Executive Branch. don’t think if it came down to it that Barack Obama would not seek to implement such an EO, if he so desired. The question is, how would our elected representatives respond to such a measure?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/dustin.w.taunton Dustin W. Taunton

    In the words of Ted Nugent..” BRING IT MUTHA@#%$ERS!!!”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.bragg.315 Jim Bragg

    Is this really any surprise at all to anyone? Obama has been trying to ban all firearms in the USA first by getting the public to hate ‘assault weapons’ and then weapons with large magazines, and then to anything other than ‘sporting arms’ such as shotguns with a long barrel, and then all firearms, period. Then he will have complete control over the American people as they will have no defense against his private military.

  • Badkarma060

    I said before and I will say it again. I carry a gun, because I can’t carry a cop.

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      (and a cop is less effective)

  • BRUCE

    Obutthead wants to ban guns and the american way in general, I want to ban his pen so he cannot sign anymore executive orders.

  • The Advocates

    Romneyhood- Steal from the Middle Class and Give to the Rich!

    Tax Plan- no details, but big tax cuts for the rich, and the removal of middle class deductions.

    IRS- Where’s the beef! One and half return! SEC signings, compensation from Bain, super loading his IRA! Where’s the truth, in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, etc?

    Bain Capital- where did the jobs go? Certainly not here!

    How about health care and his record in Massachusetts: He supported choice, planned parenthood, universal healthcare, but created very few jobs: 47th in the nation when he was the governor

    Utah Olympics- he did a great job with a large infusion of Federal dollars! Aren’t you surprised?

    Where’s the beef?

    • John1943

      “IRS- Where’s the beef! One and half return! SEC signings, compensation from Bain, super loading his IRA! Where’s the truth, in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, etc?”

      Not another idiotic TAXER, surely.

      Unlike Obama’s paperwork, there’s nothing but fictitious innuendo to level against Romney. The same smear tactics he has successfully used against all his opponents so far, despite the fact that they have all been unsupported lies.

      However, with Obama, we KNOW there is unpleasant stuff hidden in his background. Unlike Romney, Obama has spent 3 MILLION dollars hiding his past.

      And if we query it, WE’RE the stupid idiots?

    • Roy Patterson

      I guess you are going to vote to re-elected liberal, left-wing, socialist-communist Obama? I don’t like Romney, but I take him any day over Obama.

    • ginger

      I will pray for you enlightenment…poor indoctrinated soul.

  • Eastercorilla

    Isn’t Obama such a nice man? He actually wants to disarm all law abiding Americans … despite the Constitution, which he obviously hates. I never truly understood the “hate Bush” mantra, but now I do ’cause I HATE OBAMA and EVERYTHING HE STANDS FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Lawrence Knight

      Amen! I would love to buy you a cup of coffee! But you did leave out the knuckle dragging baboon there with him. Good day!

  • dextermassolettisr

    If there were no Politicians we would not need guns.
    It’s easier to take out the garbage, let’s do that first.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKLLPVKKSWYRHLZH3LDQMZRW6A dean

    Guns. Our best protection for the second amendment. The 1st amendment is a thorn in Obama’s side because with the people having guns he cannot get control of the people. He is trying to pull a Hitler. He is totally naive if he thinks he will get away with taking away our guns. It is our protection against his tyranny.

    • Roy Patterson

      Everyone that doesn’t belong needs to join the NRA. They are the only group, with any power, to stop Obama’s Gun Grab.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bigdoc13 Jesse D. Pederson

      No,join the NAGR(National Association of Gun Owners). The NRA are in bed with the gun grabbers.

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      Yes, join the NAGR! And if you want to be part of the NRA, be outspoken in the NRA – change it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bernardo.giansomo Bernardo Giansomo

    I don’t like the idea that jack booted government thugs from Homeland Security are going to have 450 millions rounds of ammo at their disposal plus enough gear to start a war while I’m standing here in pants and a t-shirt with an AR-15,a few boxes of ammo,and a 30 round banana clip as those pukes carry out their orders from King Obama. Hopefully as I get nailed with a volley of 10,000 rounds of .40 cal ammo turning me into hamburger, I take 30 of those rotten treasonous souls with me. Freedom doesn’t come cheap.

    • rivahmitch

      That would be a hope. However, I expect to get only a much smaller number before I go down, old and slow as I am today. It’s still an exchange I’m willing to make for freedom. Semper Fi!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Dame/1184861044 Hugh Dame

      I am with you.
      Semper Fi

    • ginger

      And we cannot discount the possibility of our military firing on our people…like Syria and the rest of the middle east and N. Korea etc.

  • Docs357

    They always want to ban guns. They are afraid of the people protecting themselves or turning on the socialist pigs in power. He has to be removed before we have nothing to rebuild.

    • noelle2011

      Docs we NEED TO TURN ON THE SOCIALIST PIGS NOW THAT ARE IN BOTH PARTIES!

    • Lawrence Knight

      Right on. And belive me. Congress is full of them.

    • noelle2011

      very much! IN BOTH parties!

    • chuckie2u

      I suppose I look at this a little differently. While there are a large amount of “Hunters” and others legally owning weapons they are not organized and have no structure. When the Federals send out Acorn, FEMA or who ever else is hired to take up weapons I dare say most law abiding citizens will turn them in . End of the story. The Republican and Democrat Elites are all on the same page of transforming America into a Totalitarian Socialist Country.

    • Docs357

      Turning in your firearms is suicidal most concealed carrying holders are trained by the NRA or junior colleges before they can get a permit most continue to train. Taking into consideration the cost and time involved they are not about to give the only means of self defence up.. If that happens we will no longer be an American nation. The constitution has no meaning to this arrogant socialist he is counting on gangsters thugs, hoods drug dealers and the like not surrendering theirs then he will move the military in and onto our streets. This will not happen if we vote like Americans and get rid of this illegal socialist. He is not a citizen of this country but the cowards in congress are affaid to act again they have passed the buck to we the people.

  • That Guy

    Jack Bauer is the perfect avatar for Tim Brown, A tiny man with hero fantasies. Get all the guns, Timmy. Then people will know how manly you are. Also, “Christian?” hehe. Why are the gun nuts and the god nuts the same people? Clearly you’re not as confident in god’s alleged superpower as you claim to be.

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      And this from a guy who won’t even use his real name…..

    • Dennis

      An ideal avatar for you would be that of someone in the Iraqi fighting position (ie on your knees with your hands on your head, fingers interlaced). We God fearing folks know our responsibility to our family and our country. God endowed us with the right to life, liberty, and the right to bear arms and these rights are not taken lightly. We pack heat so we can protect people like you and your right to spout your drivel without someone else silencing you. An unarmed population is one that cannot defend itself from oppression and tyranny. Instead of criticizing us why don’t you thank us?

    • http://FrontPorchPolitics.com/ Tim Brown

      Amen Dennis!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rcosenza1 Robert Cosenza

    we the people,who are the real government,want to ban ovomit/holdup/napalitano/reid/pelosi/wasserman/kagan/ginsberg/panetta/waters/the black caucus/democrapts,god bless ron paul,sheriff joe and cold case posse,brian terry and family,chuck norris,frank serpico,and all american veterans/citizens,one nation under god

    • ginger

      WE The People have let this evil come to pass and it is up to US to stop it and now! The government is the tail wagging the dog. Time to correct this by whatever means. Vote out ALL the socialists and marxists and wannabe dictators.

    • noelle2011

      in BOTH parties!
      its time to get rid of EVERY member of the house

    • ginger

      There are a few who have been trying to wage an uphill battle,, Allen West, Issa, Rubio, Lee, Demint, and a few others…the rest…well ,,,what can I say?

    • John The Baptist

      Come November, DO NOT VOTE for ANY incombents. We need to clean house because not a single one in the local, state or the federal has been doing the job that “WE THE PEOPLE” are paying them to do.

    • Brooklyn Jo Jo

      right on Robert, I emailed our white house and told them, the secret service should not carry guns then, no response, this no good devil worshiper has to go, PEOPLE GET READY. stand, aim and VOTE

  • Butch gerace

    There can be no banning of guns. History has taught us that when guns are melted down into plows, We become slaves to the government. Then only the bad guys will have guns, and will invade your homes with no fear, all the while knowing you are unarmed. They will pistol whip you, and rape your wife and children. Say no, we will not be disarmed!

    • Ron Obvious

      Right… the ‘bad guys will have guns and will invade our homes’… and we will be unable to defend ourselves against criminals as well!

    • BD Katt

      Make it past the 140# Akita you will face Mr.Ruger Super Red Hawk throwing .44 Mag’s at you

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      One is never unarmed! You only need to find a weapon around you. Everything around you is a weapon. A set of keys can kill. A letter opener can kill. Your fingers can kill.

    • merc

      amen…good luck po po on disarming us, & if they try to bring in blue hats (UN), thats even better targets of opportunity….I will never comply! I’ll die a freedom fighter….USA & Semper Fi till I die…..

  • John1943

    A surprising (to me) number of gun owners still seem to think that Obama is neutral on guns. Let’s hope that this enlightens them.

    • Sappers_wife

      Not my husband an I. We can’t stand him. Our guns have protected our home many of times.

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      Obama IS NOT neutral on anything. 100% EVIL!

    • AntiCommieCat

      Exactly !!! And so are all the idiotic progressives.

    • Moose

      Those gun owners that still believe in Obama don’t read Freedom Outpost and you’ll never see this in the lamestream media. They will have to be told through another medium.

    • aintthispeachy

      You know what,… I am good with the main stream media not covering this,…. Or Glenn Beck selling out Cowboy stadium,… or freedom works selling out their stadium,…. or the hundreds of thousands of people who supported Chick-Fil-A. I am OK with it all because come November there will be a tsunami size upheaval in this country that none of them will see coming. I am going to sit in my chair munching on some popcorn with a cool beverage tuned in to Rachael Maddow trying to explain what happened. As a matter of fact I think their reaction will be so priceless that they should save it for the Super Bowl half time show.

    • AntiCommieCat

      I hope and pray you are right.

    • AntiCommieCat

      If all of us write and email everyone we possibly can, it will help. Give them this website address and let them start learning a few things !!!

    • John The Baptist

      There are still to many in the DARK about many of the things thats going on today. I come across them every day. We must get the word out other than the internet. I know alot of people that don’t have a computer.

    • Rick

      About 85 million at last count John. That’s a lot of votes.

  • DOOM

    They would have a point if anyone used an “assault weapon” in a violent crime. The DC sniper used bolt action. The Aurora shooter’s AR15 jammed. Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer.

    • Dave

      Obama and his ilk are also using “fertilizer”.

    • Jonathan

      obama and his ilk are fertilizer.

    • That Guy

      Ah, the AR15 incident doesn’t count because the gun jammed? Brilliant

    • Raul Santos

      Obama would go ahead an ban fertilizer, but it would then be banning what comes out of his mouth.

    • ginger

      The next ban will be bats, crowbars, tire irons, knives, scissors, brooms, mops, fireplace irons, lamps, matches, pencils, anything that can be used to strike, pierce, cut, strangle, burn, runover, smother, etc ad infinitum.

    • 5alive5

      The “batman” shooter could have just as easily used a bomb! Look to his apartment to prove that! If he didn’t know how to build one, there are many directions on the internet! Ban CRAZIES!! It will have just as much effect as banning GUNS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg T Beaty

    White House Confirms Obama Wants To Ban Guns, I confirm I want to ban Obama.

    • deadeye

      Any way posible….by any means….untill he is shut up for good!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      A nice 50mm sniper rifle would take care of that real quick!

    • retiredsgmusarmy

      What is a 50mm sniper rifle. A 50mm rifle would be approximately 20+ inches in diameter. Do you even know what you are talking about. You do of course realize that you have just threaten the President of these United States, don’t you?
      I personally don’t care for Barack Obama as a person, but you have to think who will take his place should something happen to him. Are you sure you want Joe Biden as your next president?

    • Oasis

      I think you are referring to the 50 cal. Most commonly known in the Barret 50. though there are some others that are now being used made by other companies and other countries. Same general round as the 50 cal heavy machine gun you are likely to see mounted on armored personnel carries, MI Abrams tanks. etc…
      However, talking about killing the president is probably not the best tactic to use. A much better one is to spend that pent up energy and make sure that you and every single person you know votes to get rid of the tyrant, the man who wants to be king.

    • retiredsgmusarmy

      Most famous .50 cal is the MADUCE!

    • medivac

      I just backed your play on the Ma Duce !!

    • ben there

      No he wants to be dictator

    • opar5

      My money’s on Caliph of an newly formed Muslm Caliphate. The UN already has a 57 nation Muslim block that’s influencing everything. Bringing the US AND Israel down would surely carry significant weight in the selection. You think one E-4 was able to compile and edit everything that was released to WikiLeaks – which the imams used to overthrow their compromised leaders – except those funding the Muslim Brotherhood and other jhadist groups.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Debe-Lange/559060627 Debe Lange

      Does everyone realize that’s why Obama “slipped” when earlier in his presidency he said he wanted to visit all 57 states? Being Muslim himself, he had no problem immediately remembering the 57 nation Muslim block instead of the 50 states. I wonder if others who heard it, thought of that at the time.

    • DAY

      IF YOU LISTENED TO THE WHOLE SENTENCE HE SAID, I JUST FINISHED CAMPAIGNING IN 57 STATES, AND HAVE TWO TO GO AND ONE THAT PROBABLY WON’T WANT ME THERE, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT… I THINK HE BELIEVED WE HAD 60 STATES… DEFINITELY NOT AN AMERICAN…

    • http://www.facebook.com/leo.williams.7 Leo Williams

      Good eyes Debe.

    • don

      You are correct, he is a muslim. He tore down Nasa just to kiss mulsm butt. He is also anti Christian with his gay-candom programs..

    • dr

      52 states. think before you speak

    • DAY

      WE JUST HAD SOME KIND OF MUTUAL “EXERCISE” HERE IN JACKSONVILLE WITH SOME UN COUNTRIES, FOR A JOINT PROTECTION OF THE PANAMA CANAL ZONE… MORE LIKELY A JOINT EXERCISE OF NATO TAKING OVER OUR STREETS…..

    • don

      What about the open mic with the Russian, when he said “After I get back in, I can make better deals”. Obama can call on his “minority and wall street protest troops” to riot to set up marshal law. As a last resort, I would not put it past him to call on UN troops (his favorite being Russian) to quell the patriotic armed citizen reactions. Watch him nationalize more businesses, as he did illegally, with 2 car companies, car dealers, shutting down oil drilling and coal plants, etc. Obama is so dangerous!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Scott-Winter-McGillivray/100000364844828 Hugh Scott Winter McGillivray

      Don, the UN has no troops. They rely on member countries to put together their peace keeping forces. They need the US to move these troops, so to bring any troops into the US the Air Force would have to be complicant in moving forces into the US. I don’t think the military will violoate their oath to defend and protect the Constitution and the American people. No president would get away with brining foreign troops into the US for crowd control. Also there are 13 plus million armed veterans who would remember their oath so the government has real reasons not to make that move???

    • Citizen since 1941

      And how many ordinary armed citizens, I am one, who are fed up with the bull-pucky spoken by our ridiculous Kenyan-in-chief sitting on his “throne” in the oval office. He is not eligible to sit in that office! If he IS legit. PROVE IT! You can’t. He is a fraud! Democrats should be embarrassed to be willingly hoodwinked by the slick-talker.

    • Land-Mine Hare

      Your ignorance is dangerous.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hugh-Scott-Winter-McGillivray/100000364844828 Hugh Scott Winter McGillivray

      Please NATO does not have enough manpower to protect itself much less control the US???

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1375303484 Jerry A. Holloway Sr.

      Actually if you think about it those leaks only happened when the only person ( notice no capitalization of the title person ) to occupy the white house was allowed to keep a personal device ( his blackberry ) that can contact anyone in the world and in their native language was the leaks able to come about.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leo.williams.7 Leo Williams

      Same same.

    • crusty

      Yeah, I think he may even do that–reminds me of a Little Rascals’ joke I heard a few years ago.

    • emoore

      Do you have any proof to back up this statement?

    • medivac

      It wasn’t retiredsgmusarmy that called it a 50mm sniper rifle. I’ve got a lot of combat trigger time on the M-2 better known as a Ma Duce in a helo. FYI, it isn’t classified as a U.S. military weapon–or wasn’t. We could have them mounted on our helos when we flew in support of SOG in places we were not in.

    • sandman4X4

      the only helos I have ever been in had a version of the M 60 Mashine Gun mounted in the side door, and when as a green E-3 I asked the door gunner why not a .50cal? he told me the vibrations and dymanic movment of the .50cal would not be very good for the airframe in flight.

    • medivac

      The door gunner was right. In the Marine Corp we used the .50 in our larger helos because the need to cover our a**es on our own. We didn’t have the luxury of having several helos going into a zone at one time, usually just two with an occasional HUEY flying gun for us but not most of the time. The door gunner you spoke to must have been an aviation trained person or he asked the same question that you did to someone else. In the corps, our gunners were all personal that were in that particular squadron and worked some other job. All Marines were first trained as rifleman and then in thier MOS .

    • Bill Hockstad

      Actually it has been mounted on the rear of the Ch 47 D and I also believe they tried it on the Jolly’s or CH 53′s. Most used with the Stalkers is the m134 mini in the Crew Chief and gunners positions on the UH 60′s. Hell in 80′s we did use the M60 but I bet they use them m240′s now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leo.williams.7 Leo Williams

      I don’t know who you are but thats bull crap. I flew With 15 Med And by the way its Medevac, not Medivac bozo we were the only armed medical evac system in the Army in Vietnam. First off the 50 cal and its ammo are to heavy we used the M-60 it fires the 7.62 NATO round. If you wish to find me to discuss this topic that should be easy. My name is Leo Williams the president of the Florida Chapter First Cavalry Association.

    • medivac

      Hey, Leo !! We used the .50 cal almost exclusively in our CH-46 helos in the Corps. I do know it’s medevac but I use the variation because I use it in other sites. Did you know the Marine Corp had helos ?? We didn’t have the red cross bullseye and we didn’t have enough money in our budget to have mission specified helos so we flew everything and sometimes all types missions wrapped up in one. About the only time we had M-60s on our helos was on milk runs to DaNang to pick up mail, etc. or on the deck behind us as a back-up. I never saw an Army medevac helo in my AO in far north I Corps but they might have been there south of us.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leo.williams.7 Leo Williams

      Thats the TICKET!

    • arealamericanfact

      Your not going to get rid of him. He is being placed where he is by the illumaniti! They want total global dominance, yes you heard me Total Global Domminance! It is all just a matter of time. They wil get their way,, trust me. were doomed.Remember this in the next 10 years…

    • dr

      do you blame them? someone needs to control this out of hand usa.we need to bring the heart back that was lost. because when you get to the point where people are attacking you and eating you like zombies,, yes we need a takeover change of what is right !!

    • AntiCommieCat

      Why don’t you tell us what you know about the Illuminati, dr?

    • http://www.facebook.com/tetvet1968 Van William Svensson

      50MM = 1.968498 inches, not 20 inches as retiredsgmusarmy stated. 20 Inches would have to be 508 MM. I believe
      the largest caliper weapons in any US armory are the 16 inch batteries on
      battleships. 16 Inch = 406.4 MM.

    • oldcoyote

      DS sounds about as bright as Biden with that statment…..

    • Hammer

      No, a 5mm is not approx. 20+ inches. One has to remember that there are 25.400 mm per inch so a 50 mm rifle would have a bore of slightly over 2 inches. Sorry army, but your zero is in the wrong place.
      I built a 40 mm cannon years ago and it has a 1.575 diameter bore and I am a retired master machinist.
      I think Daniel meant to say “50 caliber” which is currently in use by our military as a long range, hard hitting sniper rifle. I believe they are shooting a 650 grain slug out about 2450 fps, if I am not mistaken. (FYI)

    • Hammer

      sorry about the 5 mm, I meant to say 50mm.

    • bill

      1mm = 0.039374…multiply people..its that easy..lol

    • bill

      3mm is one hair thickness short of an 1/8 inch for the fraction people..lol

    • Ursus_Indomitus

      Carlos Hathcock used a scoped M2 as a sniper weapon.

    • medivac

      Rong !! Carlos scoped a 106 recoiless spotter .50 cal and made it into a rifle !! It was not an M-2. The M-2 is a browning .50 cal machine gun

    • Ursus_Indomitus

      Read his book.

    • medivac

      Would being there suffice over a book ? The M-2 wouldn’t have been practical for White Feather’s mode of operation. The gun by itself weighs approximately 80 pounds and would have only been practical as a single shot by mounting it on a tripod which is additional weight. BTW, I used the .50 cal Ma Duce many times. A .50 cal barreled action was mounted on top of the 106 MM recoiless rifle and would be much more usable for his type of operation. Carlos did not write the book but was used as an advisor to the author on the book and that alone implies to me it could have been translated by the actual writer as an M-2 because the spotting rifle was just called a .50 cal spotting rifle using special WP rounds

    • Ursus_Indomitus

      Nevertheless, he did it. He blew the front wheel off of a gook’s bicycle, then blew the gook in two with his second shot. The bicycle had rifles strapped to it.
      Why would a sniper use Willie Pete for other than marking?
      Were you THERE with Gunny Hathcock?

    • medivac

      What I implied was the .50 cal. spotter was mounted on top of the 106 recoiless and used a willie peter round as a make for where the 106 should hit very near. I wasn’t there with Carlos but I did talk to his assistant later on in civilian life. Very few journalist and book writers on the Viet Nam war never came close to the action. Joe Galloway is one of the few that saw the war up close and personal and most of the so-called reporters got their combat experience sitting in a bar in Saigon. Al gore DID NOT!! I also think Walter Cronkite sucked for his “contribution ” to the troops and war. Where did you serve ? I was in a Marine helo squadron and was embedded with the 26th Marines my last 6 months in Viet Nam.

    • Demo

      Exactly where is Viet Nam? The rest of us went to Vietnam?

    • nealstar

      Demo,
      I’ve just been reading through the comments here and find it appalling that Viet Nam vets, a group that has been shunned, condemned and treated with scorn by a large segment of the population are at each others throats over details about ordnance. Living in a world where everyone wants to see us dead so they can steal our stuff and ravage our women, helping them by being hostile to each other is the height of insanity. According to the Viet Namese, it is *Viet Nam*, not Vietnam. I got this straight from my buddy Quang Nguyen who left when he was 6 years old to come here and is unashamed about his love for this country and all of us who served. Do a search on youtube for him and his video, “Thank you Viet Nam veterans and all veterans”.

      At least be civil to each other in the name of respect and decency.

      By the by, while I loath the current occupant of the Oval Office, assassination is no way for a civilized, free society to determine elections. Much better is to continue to expose him, vote him out of office and hope he lives a long life with his legacy being that he beat Jimmy Carter out of the title of the worst president in American history. Let him go back to Hyde Park, roll a big fattie and chill with his homies, Bill Ayers and Jerry Wright and talk about, “if only…”.

      As you were,
      US Army vet, RVN, ’67-’69

    • jeffrey Kelley

      well put Nealstar… I looked up your friend on you tube, very inspiring. We need to be aware of the establishments push to keep us ever divided. If they can keep us arguing about the size of bullets and guns we fail to unite on the major issues that are destroying our country. So everyone come together, put the many differences we all have aside, find the common ground and unite for a common purpose whatever it may be.

    • wmgill

      Never in my life did I expect to see someone beat out Jimmy Carter, but poor Jimmy was beaten by a landslide. Our current POTUS goes way beyond traditional liberalism. My personal preference would not include “chillin with his homies” unless they are also incarcerated.

    • wmgill

      From Wikipedia…… Hathcock generally used the standard sniper rifle: the Winchester Model 70 .30-06 caliber rifle with the standard 8-power Unertl scope. On some occasions, however, he used a different weapon: the M2 Browning machine gun, on which he mounted a 10X Unertl scope, using a bracket of his own design.[4] Hathcock made a number of kills with this weapon in excess of 1,000 yards, including his record for the longest confirmed kill at 2,500 yards.[4][25] Hathcock carried a Colt M1911A1 pistol as a sidearm.[9]

    • Ursus_Indomitus

      Thanks for verifying that for the non believers.

    • Bass_Boat_Bill

      5mm and 20 caliber are the same thing… I own a Sheridan 5mm pellet rifle.. a 5mm pellet is slightly smaller than a 22 caliber pellet

    • http://www.facebook.com/williame.ramer William E Ramer

      Very close to right Hammer, I built an air cannon that fires 2 liter pop bottles full of whatever about a mile. it has a 110 MM bore

    • retiredsgmusarmy

      I STAND CORRECTED!! I was doing the math in my head and I should never, never do that at my age. I was thinking that a 105mm was equal to a 5 inch, etc. etc.

    • CJM2

      retired….: You are forgiven.

    • medivac

      You have been chastised !!! Office hours is next !! LOL !! I saw your misprint and know how it can happen. Anyway I tried to defend you from the boggymen !!

    • medivac

      To dang many “experts” in this thread !! My fingers are tired of correcting and explaining to them !!

    • Towncar07

      One must also realize that though Obama may be thought of an a completely idiotic President, that an action as mentioned would result in the worst king of race war…no one would win, and we would all lose…the ballot box, even “stuffed” with fake votes, just might survive a majority of reason. Hope for CHANGE…VOTE for a CHANGE.

    • michigan patriot

      I think you got a decimal point in the wrong place it would be roughly 2 inches .0395×50=1.975 inches a MM is.0395 a CM=2.54 inchesplus I think he has 50mm confused with 50 cal .5 inches

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jerry-Robison/100000629907048 Jerry Robison

      Actually 50mm is 1/32 under 2 inches. Do you know what you’re talking about?

    • gotham1883

      You sir have no idea what you are talking about. 50 mm is approximately 2 inches. I think he meant 50 caliber. As for threatening the President, the guys probably an FBI plant. Trolling the net for someone who will bite the hook. And no Joe Biden definitely is a moron but he is not a Marxist. He obviously believes in our country more than Obama. His son is or was in the military. And I could give a crap if you are retired military. Twenty years and you get a life pension on our checkbook. Then you get to find a real job. Maybe you’ll find it with the government doing the same thing you were doing only now you get paid double for it.

    • Cnutz

      The only thing Joe Biden believes in is his BIG MOUTH!! PERIOD!! He an accomplice to Marxism because he go along with whatever his puppetmaster dictates

    • medivac

      If you enjoy your freedom , you had better give a crap about the military !! It would be better if you directed your don’t give a crap to politicians , they are mostly lawyers and suck us dry on pensions and benefits !!

    • dr

      I’m glad we have a military willing to fight for our country. I wouldnt fight for republicans, because they dont care . and all you complainers that do join it,, most turn into alcoholics, come back home and become bums in the streets.

    • medivac

      It’s very plain to see that you never made it into the military. You would rapidly find out that all the anti military are liberals such as Waters, Peelousy, Reid, both Clintons, Shelia Jackson, and on and on —all democrats. The democratic party of yesterday was very different than the one today. There are no John Kennedys today , only self righteous , self serving idiots that just don’t get it that most of America wants to be free of being a nannie state. Go drink the kool-aid you idiot !!

    • HawkCW4

      WOW. so you have a problem with a soldier giving up 20+ years of his life, doing things that guys like you cant even imagine and when its all over, IF he lived thru it, gets paid a check for life. So tell me about your congress critter who can spend 4 years or so, living pretty high on the hog, working 4 days a week when he works, lots of perks, serious salary, and then can retire for life with you writing the checks. That sound better to you? You sir are one sick individual the day you berate service people for what they have EARNED. Your freedom sir is not now nor ever was free. Those you belittle, those you whine about, went out in your place and gave it all up just so you can run your mouth off. I have no problem with your mouth UNTIL you complain about having to pay for a soldiers retirement. YOU SUCK IN MY BOOK and youj deserve nothing you have, because without those you denigrate, you would have nothing. SPIT SPIT SPIT on you lousy coward.

    • medivac

      BTW, contact medivac1 on ebay. I like your attitude !!

    • medivac

      Well put !!

    • cherokee_warrior

      Gothamo1882,
      Would you be willing to ‘lay your life’ on the line, 24/7/365 for 20 or more years and be willing to work under the conditions that many of us who made a career of the military did? Would be be able to go for hours that turn into days, with little or no sleep? Go for days without a shower, smell like a ram goat, or worse? And during that time, you might be able to change your socks,
      Back when I started my 20 plus, in the field, it was C rations and sometimes it was K rations and the old 10 in 1, some that were a couple of years younger than I was. Born in 1938 and eating canned hamburgers ( later found that they were horse meat ) that were canned in 1940.

      So, would you be willing to give up your warm, clean home, daily shower and three square meals each day, for what many of us were doing, and many are still doing, to protect those such as you? Could you, or would you?

    • disgusted demacrat

      Werent those 1940 green hamburgers GREAT?? had a few my self.
      ret GMC US. NAVY 57-67 and thank you for you service..

    • DAY

      THAT SLUG HAS NO IDEA WHAT MILITARY LIFE IS REALLY LIKE.. FOR THAT MATTER, HE PROBABLY HAS NO IDEA WHAT A “REAL” JOB IS LIKE,,, PROBABLY A PENCIL PUSHER IN AN AIR CONDITIONED OFFICE,,, PUT HIM IN A CHEM SUIT IN 100 DEGREE WEATHER FOR A FEW DAYS,, THEN LET HIM TALK ABOUT A “REAL JOB”,,,,

    • nealstar

      @cherokee_warrior,

      That horsemeat, is called “cheval” in France and it’s not any worse than the “rat sandwiches” we were getting on the street in Saigon. Some even consider it a delicacy, but some people like six month old kimchi and nuoc mam. Of course, having been canned in the ’40s by some government contractor who may have been war profiteering, I imagine the best thing that can be said about it would be that it wasn’t moving and was protein.

      Welcome home and thank you for your service.

    • DAY

      YOU GO GIVE UP YOUR LIFE HAVING TO MOVE ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR TWENTY YEARS, TRYING TO HAVE A FAMILY LIFE, AND OFFERING UP YOUR LIFE FOR YOUR COUNTRY,,, THEN COME BACK HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY PENSION… YOU SLUG…

    • antiglobalist

      Sir I would ask you, Do you have any idea what the Hell your talking about. From your post you haven’t a clue. You would do well to stick to the bull $hit you libstards put out instead of posting to somethingyou know NOTHING about. Sit down you are embarassing your self.

    • CJM2

      retired…: Not advocating the demise of anyone, if biden did become President by default, he could be more easily controlled by the congress.

    • panors77

      This “president” needs to be arrested, tried and jailed. THEN we’ll give Joey a couple months at the helm, emphasis on a couple months.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OC6SKJLQDZEY674X7VRYBWH6AI Tom

      @ CJM2 : Thanks for bringing this discussion back to the main point. The ” Ineligible One ” Can Not continue his “Destroy America Campaign” with an armed citizenry and he knows it. For all of his misdeeds, he must be impeached, tried in a Military Court, found guilty of treason during time of war and the proper punishment be applied.

    • cherokee_warrior

      Replying to Tom,
      I agree, but, in the event that is proven that he is not a citizen, do not believe the charge would be treason. Instead, would it not be for being a foreign terrorist? Then, conviction and life in Gitmo.

    • CJM2

      Tom: If he were to be impeached, according to the US Constitution, obama would be tried by the US Supreme Court; I would also add sedition to the treason count along with the multitude of other criminal charges he has racked up during this administration. He should also be thoroughly investigated for possible crimes prior to his ‘presidency.’

    • CJM2

      I’ve been saying this since he campaigned in 2008, panors77. Anyone who tells an audience that he wants to dismantel the US Constitution is clearly an anti-American who wants to destroy our country. There were some others who were also saying the same thing–and no one was listening. Now that he has shown us just how criminally inclined he is, we have a cowardly congress who fails to act on this. They have legal avenues open to them, they just aren’t taking it. For example, since the DOJ and the AG refuse to investigate, indict, and arrest him, congress can petition the US Supreme Court. His standing with his corrupt congress can be weakened considerably if the States would exercise their right to remove those congressmen/women via recall votes and replacing them with individuals who will uphold the Constitution. This is where political correctness has driven us–what we need to do is have a National Funeral for Political Correctness by naming a date and time for the ‘burial.’ I buried PC a long time ago.

    • Bottle sniper

      If Biden was to inherit the position, consider what his cabinet would consist of….a bunch of MORONS…

    • Bill Hockstad

      As opposed to now?

    • CJM2

      Like I said, Bottle sniper, biden could be more easily contolled; it isn’t likely that he would change the cabinet membership, but they would lose their impetus with biden in the Oval Office.

    • 18bravo

      ManufacturerBarrett Firearms ManufacturingUnit cost$8,900[1]Produced1982–presentVariantsM82A1, M82A1A, M82A1M, M82A2, M82A3, M107 , M107A1 , M107CQ
      Weight30.9 lb (14.0 kg) (with 29 inch barrel) or 29.7 lb (13.5 kg) (with 20 inch barrel) (M82A1)Length57 inches (145 cm) (with 29 inch barrel) or 48 inches (122 cm) (with 20 inch barrel) (M82A1)Barrel length29 inches (73.7 cm) or 20 inches (50.8 cm)
      Cartridge.50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO) and .416 BarrettActionRecoil-operated, rotating boltMuzzle velocity853 m/s (2,799 ft/s)Effective range1,800 m (5,906 ft)Feed system10-round detachable box magazineSightsFixed front, adjustable rear sight; MIL-STD-1913 rail provided for optics

    • medivac

      Yep !! That 50MM sniper rifle is bound to hurt with the recoil !! It’s a no-no to say what this feller said !! We can think it or say it at home but not on or in a public place. And Joe Biden as prez ????? I don’t think so !! BTW, a 50mm is about 2″ but still a lot of recoil. A 12.7mm (Russian) is a .51 cal. I had enough of those green tracers shot at me !!

    • opar5

      Biden was a stroke of genius, a life insurance policy, else somebody would have already resolved the problem. If memory serves, the Warthog carries a 20mm Gatling gun that can chew up tanks. I suspect Daniel meant .50 Cal. rifle,

    • Bill Hockstad

      No it carries the 30MM centerline, once you hear it, you never forget it,lol.

    • rosco

      25.4 MM per Inch Sarge.

    • Ray Waldbrunn

      Check your facts, army, the .50 Baret is the weapon of choice for Marine snipers.

    • PaulN

      At least Biden would be bowing to foreign dignitaries for a better reason (to place his head firmly up his own arse)!

    • arealamericanfact

      sure he would. It’s all part of the big picture!!!

    • scooter

      50mm is equal to 2 inches. That would still be a nice size bore on a rifle

    • rob669

      Agree with you, imprisonment for Treason, that, Americans wants to see and pray for..

    • HawkCW4

      I agree Top, Gitmo is the answer for Obama, and no we never ever want to see Biden sit in that chair. I would rather see Putin sitting there than that Idiot Biden. A nice long Prison Term in Gitmo for treason is the only solution.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dvil.sadvocate D’vil Sadvocate

      50mm would be 2.12 inches in diameter – NOT 20+inches… do YOU even know what you’re talking about?

    • fatkid

      Actually, 50mm is only equal to 5 cm. there are 2.54 cm in one inch so you are also wrong in your size. The round would be just under 2 inches, which would still be one big bullet. Oh, and I agree with you – we do not want President Biden either.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leo.williams.7 Leo Williams

      Joe Biden, now thats realy Spooky!

    • don

      Biden would be a much better president, because he is too incompetent to turn the country into kenya.

    • bill

      lol..diameter is probably too big of a word retiredsgmusarmy..can you imagine those bullets?

    • NObama2012

      It seems a retired Sgt. Maj. would know the difference between millimeters and centimeters. 50mm is 1.968
      in. Thank you for your brave service.

    • tolerant

      Don’t be such a di*k. You know what he meant to say.

    • uscitizen

      Please re-check your math. Hint: You can use the net (internet, as in Google) to convert mm to inches.

    • eddyjames

      At 25.4 mm to the inch that works out to 1.96″ call it 2″ and wouldn’t be anywhere near 20 inches. I kind of have reservations about you being retired Army anything. He didn’t threaten Obama, just pointed out how it could be taken care of.

    • BigUgly666

      One inch is 25.4 mm …. thus 50 mm is just under 2″.

    • oldcoyote

      A 6MM (.243) would work nicely. Very accurate. I can’t remember the last deer that I never shot in the head with mine. No spoiled meat whatever. Nice clean carcus to work with when we do our own cutting and wrapping. Any thing up to 400 yds.is in the freezer.

    • medivac

      Good round !! Necked down .308 case !!

    • HawkCW4

      Well I liked the 308 like it was. At one time I owned a Winchester 88 in 308. Many years later, Remington in 308. But in all honesty, growing up on a SW New Mexico cow ranch, My fav rifle then and now is still the Win 94 saddle gun. 30:30. I dont hunt anymore, I just like the look and feel. So shoot me. And last time I ever went hunting was with a bow.

    • medivac

      I have had an 88 Win in the .308 since 1970 and have taken many deer with it. My dime buster is a Mauser action semi bull barrel .308 and my heavy stuff is .300 Win Mags . I just about reserve my hunting for bison and even that is for meat. Most shots are out around 200 yds and I like a quick kill. I have hunted with bows since the 60s and am still with my recurve bows but I still haven’t been able to duplicate Howard Hill’s 175 yd kill of an elk with a long bow !! My favorite carry around is the Ruger Mini-30. We have a bad ferel hog problem here on the Texas coast and you might run into a situation like with javalinas—too many at one time !! A lever action 30-30 would also fill the bill !!

    • Benjamin

      So you want to make him a Martyr?

    • catloverdee

      That would probably create a martyr. He needs to be in prison for treason.

    • ADR

      Very well said.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1375303484 Jerry A. Holloway Sr.

      I fully agree with you he needs to be shown for the fake he is and tried for treason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leo.williams.7 Leo Williams

      Obama is trying to pass a bill to seal his presidential records and his personal correspondence, he knows he could lose the election and the American people will come after him and his cronies with a vengeance. We are Americans we do not assassinate our criminal presidents, we put them in prison.

    • John Hand w/gunpermit

      I believe that would be a 50 CALIBER. Do you realize what SIZE 50 mm is?

    • sandman4X4

      Daniel: tt is caliber, not MM! but either way we get the message.

    • HawkCW4

      My fav big gun was the 120MM. I used it to shoot at airplanes. You gota love a gun that will push out a 50lb round and knock the dishes off the shelf 4 miles away when it goes off.

    • medivac

      Not at any plane I was a crew member on !! (Helos!!)

    • http://www.facebook.com/alk.hall.37 AL K Hall

      spot on …right between those beady eyes !

    • http://www.facebook.com/alk.hall.37 AL K Hall

      I’VE NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY I SUPPORT THEM 1000 PERCENT …BUT, I THOUGHT WHEN YOU ENLISTED YOU TAKE THE OATH YOUR TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY FROM …FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC TERRORIST ??? WHERE’S SEAL TEAM 6 WHEN YOU NEED THEM !? MAYBE UBL SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE 2ND TARGET ???

    • Waynego18

      He has Biden to make sure that doesn’t happen!

    • Engineer313

      You need to brush up on your weapons. If aomene did him in ,can you see the fallout that it would create for firearms owners. People like you need to just keep your mouth shut.

    • Billl

      I see that I am not the only person to have had that thought !!

    • Jarod

      You’re playing right into their hands with comments like this. This is not the way in a nation of laws. Comments like this are the ultimate in stupidity. Our system allows us to remove people like the President and his cabinet, but we have to want it enough to work at it. The reason we even have a socialist in the White House is because people were too fearful & lazy to guard the polls. Is this the type of America you want? Where you can just kill whomever you don’t like? That works both ways – just look at Chicago or L.A. wherever thee are gang wars.What if someone decided that you needed to be treated like that? He needs to stand in court for what his administration has done & for the decisions he’s made that weaken America. Practically every top level official in this administration has crimes that they need to be held accountable for. The tide is turning in favor of conservatism overwhelmingly. Let’s be part of that solution, not the creator of another problem.

    • eddyjames

      Do you realize just how much .50 BMG ammo costs? In times like these 6′ of Hemp rope would be a better choice.

    • SLimbo

      Has the Secret Service been by yet?

    • panors77

      How about a nice ride in a convertible through downtown Dallas? :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/lee.cox.1420 Lee Cox

      Joe Biden is the only reason nobody has taken out Obama! Look what you’d get stuck with!

    • Sam in NC

      Sweet deal on that AK-47 on the link at the bottom of the article ! $ 499.00, with lots of extras included. Get ‘em while they’re legal. Wish I had the $, I’d order one right now.

    • GDC

      An AK-47 IS really a piece of crap. I would NOT waste my money on it.

    • Gary

      No…it’s a great weapon. Better than a M16 or AR 15.
      I used one in Nam it saved many peoples life.

    • 5alive5

      Drop an M16 in the mud and it WILL jam. Drop an AK47 in the mud bounce it on the ground, beat heck out of it, and it will still fire. also, the AK will fire the M16 ammo while the M16 will NOT fire the AK rounds!

    • Sam in NC

      You got it, 5 !

    • Oasis

      Well that would have been more true a few years ago but now the AR-15 types are coming out with gas pistons that are very reliable, which incidentally, is one of the features of the AK-47 that make it so rugged. The AR-15 is still tighter and the AK is intentionally a little sloppy on it’s fit so that a little bit of dirt won’t hurt. The AR might still complain a little. I would personally choose the AR-15 here in the states. The ammo is plentiful. Now if you were living in the middle east or former soviet block I would still suggest the AK for the same reason. The ammo is everywhere plus all the gun parts you could ever need.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JTEKOENIYVX6PZGYLYOMJ4QQKY Average Joe

      If an ar15 is better than an M-16 why is it the US marines are switching back to the 16? They are switching because the 16 is more acurate and less foulable When kept clean the 16 is pin point accurate at 500 meters. AK 47s are accurate up to 300 meters and is A loose fit weppon meaning they will fire better but is A spray and pray weppon. I had quite A bit of exsperyance with the 16 in the 80s and found it to be VERY reliable and accurate. I also had some time on an AK47 and found out it is reliable but has A limmeted acurracy past that 300 meter range. Look at it this way many towlheads were shot in the head by Marines at 3 to 4 hundred meters. The towlheads would not shot unless they had A whole body shot. at the same range. Thats the differance!

    • Bigdaa

      No, it will NOT fire the M16 ammo. Where in God’s name did you pick that garbage up?

      Some AK’s can be had in 5.56 NATO but they WILL NOT CHAMBER 7.62X39!!!!

    • Sam in NC

      Thank you, Gary ! You took the words right outta my mouth ! I think it’s far superior to the two other weapons you mentioned. You could drop an AK in the mud and that sucker would still fire.

    • David

      AK-47 is an excellent weapon!

    • Sam in NC

      Yep !

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      Then you want a Glock! you can stick them in mud and fire them with no problem. You can even get them through a metal detector!

    • Hammer

      The Glocks will also fire under water too. Some of the professional scuba divers have been using them for bang sticks for several years, shortly after they started hitting the market when it really began taking off in popularity.
      One of our training videos showed us a glass smooth pond, not even a ripple, and all of a sudden, you see slugs flying upward out of the water then shortly behind them, a trainer surfaces while still firing. It was really cool watching all the water flying out of that pistol. It was, in fact, amazing!!
      I am a certified Glock Armorer which is where I viewed this video as a part of our training.
      The Glock in the demonstration was a G22 .40S&W Caliber, standard duty issue in the 3rd generation.
      They do have their drawbacks though as I do not like their main spring. They have a tendency to weaken after a period of tiem and require changing out on a periodical basis.

    • Sam in NC

      I’d love to own a Glock but don’t have the $.

    • aintthispeachy

      And a Volkswagen beetle will run forever,… whats your point

    • Sam in NC

      Never mind. Ya had to be there.

    • John The Baptist

      I had a 12Ga. pump and a 45 on my hip with plenty of amo. had a 8 mo. toure, extracting.

    • Gary

      You were the point man. I guess as long as we got back home…that was the main thing. I lost a lot of people over there. I like the “John The Baptist”…are you a born again Christian”? Glad to say that I am!!!!

    • Rick

      I can see your point Gary, but I would stick to the Saiga line. I have a lot of experience with the AR-15 and I can say that it’s much better in quality. By the way, thank you for your service in Viet Nam; something that I know you didn’t get from the radicals when you returned. Rick

    • Gary

      I appreciate the “thank you”. I was escorted off the plane by two MP’s. Someone (don’t want to use any disrespect against them) spit on me. There was NO ONE at the airport to say “Welcome Home”. Those that were there were very cruel. I was hurt over there; and I am disabled. I don’t know much about the Saiga line; but I do know my experience with the AK 47. I could get it dirty or wet; and it would still fire. Do you have any of the Saiga line?

    • wkelly10103

      just bt one last wk. (ak-47) very happy with it.

    • LEL

      That’s what makes them so reliable.

    • stinger

      t is probably one of the greatrest assault weapons ever invented and is far from being a piece of crap. I own one, it shoots fine and has a nice crack. You..obviously don’t know squat about weaponry

    • Sam in NC

      I agree, stinger.

    • Rick

      You obviously don’t take care of your weapon.

    • Bigdaa

      It has a nice crack? So does a firecracker, but I digress.

      The gun is as loose as can be and it’s accuracy shows that at every opportunity.

      Any AR M16 platform will outshoot it any day of the week.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.w.velon Robert W Velon

      If you want a weapon that will shoot a lot better and be accurate buy an AR-15…..Yes you will be able to reach out and touch somebody….

    • John ‘the Hospitaller’

      Buy a DPMS Panther LR 308 with a 21/2 x 10 scope
      and you will really reach out

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      A good M-1 with a 10×50 star-lite scope can do a whole lot of damage. Look how long it took the feds to finally capture lee Malvo!

    • Rick

      Robert, the only part of the AR-15 that is considered to be a gun is the lower receiver. The upper receivers can be purchased with no b.s. If one has at least some maching experience, as I do, you can finish an 80% finished with a simple drill press, but a small Chinese milling machine is best. It’s perfectly legal to make your own Ar-15.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      Yeah, but a good sniper uses one bullet for one kill. An assault rifle sprays bullets, and you waste more rounds.

    • postalron2000@yahoo.com

      you can use an assault rifle the same way, just build and use it the right way.

    • oldcoyote

      Right On. One shot, one kill. Not only that, a box of ammo lasts for twenty years. I’m still using what I hand loaded in 1957 in my mod, 70 Win. with a Weaver K-6 scope.

    • medivac

      No reason at all why not if it’s kept dry !! Feather Weight Pre-64 ??

    • Sam in NC

      With all due respect, Robert, I read that the AR-15 that the Aurora shooter was using, jammed on him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      That’s probably because he didn’t know how to use it properly. You don’t just go out and pull the trigger unloading the magazine. That will melt the barrel, or warp it, thus jamming. Those who never had military training don’t know how to use such weapons properly, and are a danger to themselves as well as to others!

    • Sam in NC

      You’re sure right about that, Daniel.

    • Hammer

      Your reasons are the main reasons why 3 round bursts were implemented into weapons. It resolves that problem. But, spray and pray is the old saying with a lower percentage of hit probability in a full auto mode. This statistic has been proven time and time again while the semi auto demands more discipline which means greater accuracy but still not as great as a good bolt action.

    • postalron2000@yahoo.com

      the gun didn’t jam, the magazine did. probably an after market cheapo made from cheap plastic, or punched out of thin metal

    • Sam in NC

      I stand corrected. Thanks, Postalron.

    • aintthispeachy

      the gun did not jam it was the hundred round “range toy” magazine he was using ,thank God, had he been using 30 round magazines the toll would have been much higher. As it turns out from what I heard he was limited to the shotgun. which with a magazine extension was probably 7 rounds at a time before reloading.

    • Sam in NC

      Thanks for the info !

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      I’ve got an M-1 carbine, and it’s accurate up to 600 meters! That’s what all snipers used in Viet-Nam!

    • catloverdee

      I’ve read Carlos Hathcock’s biography “Marine Sniper”, and I’m pretty sure he used a 50 Cal. in Vietnam.

    • Bigdaa

      Wrong. Rem 700 in 30 cal.

    • medivac

      “White Feather” and his assistant built the first .50 cal. sniper rifle out of a 106 recoiless spotter .50 cal bolt action barreled action and held the long distance snipe record for many years. Considering just what was involved and the materials used, it is remarkable shot !! It wasn’t the kind of rifle you wanted to hump around, though. He used a Remington MDL 700 in the 7.62 NATO mostly and had more kills than the confirmed 93 hits he made.

    • David

      WAIT A MINUTE!!!? Snipers in Vietnam used mostly .30-06 caliber Winchester Model 70s (think “Carlos Hathcock”) or Remington M700 “varmint specials,” both heavy barreled bolt actions. M1 Carbines were carried mostly by either indigenous troops or SF types. An M1 Carbine is hardly accurate to 600 (yards, not meters). Even if it was, the sights are only (poorly) graduated to 300!

    • medivac

      Three calibers were used by snipers in RVN. Most were 7.62 X 51 NATO —.308 Winchester also the 30-06 and for farther ranges . the .300 Win Mag.. The Winchester MDL 70 and the Remington 700 were the rifles. You got the info on the M-1 carbine right !! If you were luicky enough to find one, an M-2 carbine was a good weapon for close up stuff. It could be cut down to a sub size, too .

    • Hammer

      I still prefer the famous M14 7.62 Nato round. It will do the same thing only with a little more umph behind it.

    • medivac

      SWEET !! My carry on luggage when I went on missions in helos. Back-up in case of shoot down !!.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      I want puff the magic dragon like they used in Viet-Nam on C-130′s! That would take care of Washington in under a minute!

    • Sam in NC

      LOL ! Excellent idea, Daniel !

    • http://www.facebook.com/jim.anderson.54584982 Jim Anderson

      Puff was on AC47s. Spectres (C-130s had 40mm, 20 mm Vulcans, and later 105mm.)

    • patriot2

      well Jim,you know what you’re talking about.

    • medivac

      Dang it !! I posted before I read all !! The Spectre also had 7.62 minis !!

    • medivac

      Puff was a AC-47. Also known as Spooky. The AC-130 is a Spectre.

    • Holedupandwaiting

      The Wasr 10 is a great weapon. It’s one of the most durable “AKs” available. Do I have one? There’s always a 7.62 welcoming party at my place for intruders.

    • postalron2000@yahoo.com

      12 ga is better for uninvited guests, just use the right shot to be sure you don’t kill the kids or neighbors

    • Holedupandwaiting

      I don’t disagree. A nice 12 ga with a Briley diffusion choke would serve the purpose. Fortunately, my children are grown, most are NRA and CCW, and my neighbors aren’t close enough to get hit!

    • postalron2000@yahoo.com

      have a saiga12 with 20 round drum, but its too much gun for indoor. will wind up getting a mossberg 500/590, just keep it simple, or a shotgun pistol. same deal with kids and neighbors, probably use #6 shot with a 00, or slug at the end

    • Sam in NC

      I’ll remember to call before dropping by ! LOL !

    • Holedupandwaiting

      Sam, the light is always on and coffee waiting for Patriots!

    • Sam in NC

      God bless ya !

    • medivac

      I prefer the Ruger Mini-30. Same caliber.

    • Sam in NC

      Sounds good to me, medivac.

    • nealstar

      It’s an overpriced piece of crap. Even the best AK is made from stamped sheet metal riveted together. Besides, why would you want the same weapon used by terrorists who are trying to kill us. Buy American and get a Springfield Armory M1A which costs three times as much, but it has a machined receiver and a more powerful round. Even better, get yourself a .30-30 which has been doing the job for over a century and shouldn’t cost more than a few hundred dollars.

    • Jeff

      AMEN!

    • SadlyOrwellian

      We had better hurry. Look what is happening in Australia,
      https://mail.google.com/mail/u

    • True Patriot

      Yeah, lets’ ban obozo now out of this country for good. He can leave on Moochelle the whale’s back along with his twin criminal, Hitlery and the rest of the criminal administration. They are going to play hell banning my gun. The only way they’re gonna get it is to play catch with a few muzzle balls. They’re gonna take the gun out of my DEAD hand and I’ll take a few of them with me. My weapons are locked and loaded and ready to be fired. I’m not gonna wait to see the whites of their eyes. Bing: haasstrep68 – page 4 for the history of treason and if you’d like to help remove obozo from office now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      They can try and take my gun. I’ll give it to them, barrel first. They better bring lots of body bags!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/L4YYP26T2RJYJ75AOEV6EL6YOQ stephen r

      Talk is easy, Many a man has laughed when the judge said hang him, and cried when he saw the rope

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Antunovich/1634928066 John Antunovich

      The 2 reasons for the 2nd Amendment was for the US citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical federal govt. and foreign invasion. I can see the US citizens now trying to defend ourselves from these two forces with only handguns

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      A few well placed land mines can do a whole lot of damage!

    • Bigdaa

      The enemy of all Freedom and Liberty resides in the White House and is half bIack and all foreign.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-Osbun/100001215333702 Erik Osbun

      Yes indeed, remove Obama from office in November.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      I’m not a betting man, but I’d give Obama 6 months out of office before he catches a bullet.

    • stinger

      amen, big time

    • Rick

      Well Greg, that makes two votes against this c o o n.

    • Steve

      Nov. 6 vote the S.O.B. out

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      I want to send him to see god!

    • don

      Most kenyan, marxist, muslim, union-soros backed, flate earther, lying, American hating, money laundering, dictators want to complete the ban and confiscation of guns when they take TOTAL control..

    • crusty

      I really thought that my vote along with those voting responsibly was going to do just that.

  • rascallyrabbit

    Banning automatic weapons is a threat to females being able to easily defend themselves. Eliminating easy to use guns is discriminatory against women.

    • John1943

      We’re not talking about them banning AUTOMATIC weapons. Most of those have been banned for decades and possession is limited to a very few people under stringent restrictions. All the firearms that they propose to ban now are SEMI-automatics, including the kind of handgun cops use and the kind of rifle often used for deer hunting. We’d be left with bolt action rifles, revolvers and single shot or double barreled firearms. Nothing else modern. You would not need to ban large magazines, there would be no legal firearms that they would fit into. Just like England, the only people with semi-automatic pistols would be cops and criminals.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKLLPVKKSWYRHLZH3LDQMZRW6A dean

      We won’t be left with any guns, John 1943.

    • John1943

      That is indeed their intent.

    • Dave

      They won’t stop at banning semi-autos, next it will be all of the above mentioned and more.

    • John1943

      I totally agree with you on this post, but fail to see why your posts swing from one extreme to the other.

    • Dave

      Such as?

    • Dave

      I was beginning to wonder if, maybe there was another “Dave”.

    • Ron Obvious

      Actually John, that isn’t true, if you are a law-abidding citizen without a felony record, and you have the money… in most areas of the country, you too can own a Full-Auto weapon. The thing is full auto weapons are very expensive, and you have to pay a $300 registration (Class III weapons tax/license) and the BATF and local sheriff will give you an anal exam to make sure you aren’t going to start a coup or give it to the kid that rakes your leaves or something. Once the sheriff is satisfied you have the proper storage facility (gun safe) and the background check clears you… you too can own a full automatic assault rifle, sub-machinegun, or other “Destructive” device, including silencers. The thing is you have to pay that $300 tax on each full-auto/destructive device you own.

    • John1943

      You are absolutely correct, as, I believe, am I. There are a restricted number of full auto weapons available (nothing manufactured in the last quite a few decades – I don’t remember the exact date) which means that they are, as you say expensive (I hear sums of $15,000). I know a lot of people that would like one but cannot afford them Furthermore, here in California you would be completely out of luck even trying to get a permit. Therefore, IMHO, therefor, as I said “possession is limited to a very few people under stringent restrictions.” I think that the only thing we disagree on is the definition of “very few.” From where I observe, it is certainly true that “very few” of the people who might otherwise have one actually do have one.

    • polmutant

      research lightning link. for AR plarform. a simple saws all blade will do the same. possible to make semi auto AR into full auto for 5$. BUT 20 yrs if commie’s catch you. takes less than 5minutes to convert

    • polmutant

      it is 200$ X 2 for transfer tax. gun must be made before 1986 with “transferable” status by NFA. best is to buy manufacturers lisence #2/ with #2 SOT {special occupation tax} then you may legally convert any semi auto with out any extra permission.

    • Deadeye

      I think we all know he meant semi….thats why I call them AUTO LOADERS, but that is just dating myself.

    • John1943

      I think we need to be careful to avoid sloppy thinking and thereby give ammo to the gun grabbers. To this day, thinking back to a certain picture of Sarah Palin in 2008, my sister in law goes around opining “No-one needs a machine gun to shoot moose!” The weapons the press likes to call assault rifles are NOT automatic and are NOT machine guns. Don’t encourage them, please.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trinity-Holmes/100001442563637 Trinity Holmes

      Auto loaders is not an incorrect term.It means a gun loads automaticly which is what a so called semi automatic does versus anfully automatic which keeps firing as long as the trigger is held down or until out of ammo.

    • http://www.facebook.com/susan.t.stanton Susan Thompson Stanton

      I happen to agree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Debra-Smith/1033228304 Debra Smith

    Are God’s people ready to turn to Him in prayer yet:

    “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” …2 Chronicles 7:14

    Debra J.M. Smith
    Informing Christians Writer

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Strickland/1603658279 Bill Strickland

      Deb, its not Gods people we are talking about here. You are obviously on the wrong track. It those who are without your God, who are doing this. What is your suggested action to handle those? You are wasting your time stating faith issues, to the unfaithful. So hows about thinking up ways to combat this evil other than sitting at home praying and wishing it away?

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      God says to seek Him (and the Kingdom of Heaven) first.

      The 3% didn’t forget that and neither should we.

      If you reject God, you reject our unalienable rights and if you reject those, you only have brute force, without right and wrong to define friend and foe.

      In my opinion, Christians have the advantage of providing the Christian response first and then, if necessary, the “darwinian” (survival of the fittest) response, when it comes to dealing with feral animals, but even then, it is with a sword in our hand and God in our heart… THAT is what built America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/susan.t.stanton Susan Thompson Stanton

      Have you never heard, “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”?

    • JCP

      Debra,
      I think God is waiting for us to stand up for him and defend this nation so he can hjelp. So far he doesn’t know who to help because we are all still setting down. Remember Jesus told the apostles in Luke that if they didn’t have a sword to sell their cloak and buy one. Today he would call the weapon a gun.
      This is the last country with christian principles and He will help His people as he always has.

    • FreedomLover

      Deb,
      I am. When we look at Scripture we should realize that God is in Control of everything including the Leaders (Look when Saul was appointed King). I agree also that we can not just lay down and let these tyrants walk over us. I like to read the Daily Clash with Doug Giles. Isn’t it amazing that our Country has come to this under a Punk like Obama?

  • noelle2011

    NO s H$T! duh! of course he does! THIS TYRANT MUST BE IMPEACHED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Deadeye

      Impeachment at the minimum!

    • noelle2011

      YES!
      WE MUST GET RID OF THIS SOB!

    • Weasler

      Followed by prosecution for HIGH TREASON DURING WAR TIME, for him and his monkey wife.

    • polmutant

      she is a silver back ape. do not insult the monkeys!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1642124320 Tony Weese

      Wookie

    • polmutant

      i can hear Chubaka roaring NO it is not so!!@!

    • Meathead

      Hung by the neck in front of the White House gate would be sufficient. Tar and feathers don’t even come close.

    • retiredsgmusarmy

      Too late for an impeachment, unless of course he is re-elected, then we will have four more years to impeach his … .

    • Ronald2012

      Traitors are NOT impeached!

    • noelle2011

      then what do you suggest?
      Impeachment is the ONLY way to get rid of this pos illegal president!

    • twocolts

      The only true justice would be a 4 X 8 prison cell while awaiting execution.

    • noelle2011

      yes but NOT waiting for that long!
      EXECUTION MUST BE CARRIED OUT WITH IN 24 HRS!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      Why give them the luxury of a cell. We’ll just throw them in with the hogs.

    • BD Katt

      To impeach is to validate.Removal by the military to face a firing squad for treason is appropriate.Along with holder,pukelousey,reid,hitlery,wasserman-scuz & the rest of the scabby scum in his administration & that includes his chief idiot,carney

    • Lawrence Knight

      Right! We give them a fair trial. And then hang the bastards.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      A fair trial is a bullet to the head, and the speedier the better!

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      ARREST THE FOREIGN INFILTRATOR. He can practice golf at Gitmo.

      Impeachment is only for LEGAL POTUS.
      Military arrest is for illegal POTUS.

    • polmutant

      usa military owned buy muslim brotherhood,

    • http://twitter.com/jsbrodhead Jeff Brodhead

      I’m starting to think the UNITED STATES (District of Columbia, Inc), is majority-owned by the Saudis.

    • polmutant

      this is true to the extent of the petrol/dollar. research petrol dollar and you will do a back flip, especial when you add “national debt”
      simply put the USA made deal with king fahhed of saudi arabia to make all oil transactions in dollars. today if you look at what is termed currency swap {FOREX} you will see USD not being used. example of a swap in real world.
      washington district of communists puts embargo on Iran as USD used for transactions. oil products {gasoline, kerosene,diesel} are expensive in Iran even though they pump oil. why? because under petrol dollar deal the oil is taken out of country, refined, re imported as gasoline etc. further enhancing use of USD {commonly called dollar peg}. so to avoid USA embargo sanction, simply do not USD, swap. in Iran case asll noise coming from washington is just noise, maybe some frozen paper money for show. BUT now with out USD; Iran has deal with china, Iran sends oil to China, and China builds refinery in Iran.
      What corruption you see here in USA by washington, is manifold worse outside usa. for real in 1 day the currency known as the United States Dollar can be destroyed. making USD like toilet paper. in fact i have been in countries that it was cheaper to wipe your back side with their money rather than toilet paper. the currency was cheaper. USD could be such.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      No, the Saudis are on our side! It’s the Shiites that are in DC!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      Let’s water board him while we’re waiting to hang him!

    • Birdman5

      Are you threatening to assassinate the President?

    • LEL

      No. Just try the SOB for treason and execute him.

    • LEL

      obama more likely to be assassinate by his own people since it’s obvious he will not be re-elected. Better to martyrize him and put another progressive (Hilary?) in his place to “move America” forward to the “transformation”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      She’s going to hang with him! She’s just as bad. How do you think those guns got across into Mexico? They can’t cross without the department of state knowing about it!

    • John The Baptist

      That is not a threat, it is what the LAW requires for traitors.
      We Must Stay within The LAW even though they do not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      and it’s a promise!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      In war it’s not called assassination! It’s called the spoils of war!

    • WolfsDen

      INPRISONED!!! For TREASON….

    • GDC

      EXECUTED!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      They don’t imprison traitors, they hang them! Hanging is considered more degrading than a firing squad, and one can always use the rope over many more times. A bullet you can only use once.

    • BILL

      IMPEACHMENT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH::COURT MARTIAL BY THE ARMY(PLENTY OF EVIDENCE FOR IT), THEN DEATH BY PIGS BLOOD. NOTHING IS TO GOOD FOR A MUSLIM

    • noelle2011

      Bill I really hope the army and other forces would have the balls to turn against this sob!
      Impeachment convicted and executed for treason along with cheney bush rumsfeld!

    • AntiCommieCat

      I think Bush had the most problems after the lib-tards gained majority in both the House and Senate. Many of us like Bush for the good things he did before the lame-stream media and other evil ones began crucifying him in preparation to get the nation upset enough to fall for electing
      this fake, evil, two-bit, wanna-be tyrant (as i recently heard someone correctly identify Obeyme). Personally, I would take ten Bushes over the current commie in chief.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K6XIG7MCBWNRJBCLGIQWWQSQTE Dem-Slayer

      That is the very question I wonder about? Will our military turn civilians? They have the big guns and could just wipe out a complete neighborhood to get at one anti 0bama citizen..

    • noelle2011

      i think the military WOULD turn on us

    • JJ

      Indictment… Not Impeachment.. Just sayin!!

    • LEL

      Too late for impeachment, but run the sumbitch outta town on a rail.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Spickard/620508320 Daniel Spickard

      Impeachment is too good for him and his band of cut throats. I say we hang their sorry asses, right out on Pennsylvania Avenue, in front of the White House. I’ll bring the beer!

    • noelle2011

      Sounds good to me!
      prior to 1900(?) the WHOLE town sometimes showed up for a hanging
      ITS TIME TO REMOVE SOTERO BY FORCE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND THEN HOLD A PUBLIC TRIAL IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE FOLLOWING BY SENTENCE OF DEATH FOR TREASON!
      this hanging also MUST include that ugly sob bernake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/greg.harrod.14 Greg Harrod

    Gee, do you think? Remember, he’s a product of the Chicago corruptocrat political machine, which should have died with Mayor Richard Daley, in one of the most anti-gun cities in the country. I always knew the real anti-gun Obama would come forth, but I figured it would be after his re-election, if that unthinkable event happens.

    • ginger

      of course “they” would still have their taxpayer funded armed security…what about the rest of us?? doesn’t seem “fair” somehow..and isn’t it all about “fairness”?

    • chuckie2u

      Lets go back a few years to Al Capone. I had dinner with a gentleman who handled Capones Slot machines in the southeast. He told some interesting stories but most interesting was his statement that the Feds got Capone but his organization lives on. You can bet the bank the Chicago Godfather has access to the Whitehouse.