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Sikh Temple Shooter On Feds Radar – That Didn’t Stop Him

Since the shooting on Sunday in Wisconsin at the Sikh temple, We have heard the calls for more gun control. But how about the federal government’s role in this terrible tragedy? No, I’m not implying there is a conspiracy. There may be, I don’t know. What I do know though is that the federal government couldn’t stop this incident from occurring even though they had taken a look at Wade Michael Page several times for more than a decade.

The Los Angeles Times reports,

Federal investigators had “looked at” Sikh temple gunman Wade Michael Page more than once because of his associations with right-wing extremists and the possibility that he was providing funding to a domestic terrorist group, but law enforcement officials at the time determined there was not enough evidence of a crime to open an investigation, a senior U.S. law enforcement official said.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, would not say Monday which law enforcement agency had considered investigating Page, or when.

This sounds vaguely familiar to what was the aftermath of 9-11. Federal agencies were made aware of activities. They even looked into it. In at least six cases the alleged terrorists overstayed their visas. That should have been enough for ICE to become involved, but they didn’t.

So why did the FBI not pick this guy up? According to Bob Blitzer, a retired FBI agent who was the domestic counterterrorism chief of the FBI from 1996-98, “This happens a lot where somebody will come to your attention and you do a preliminary investigation of the guy’s activities and nothing pans out.” What Blitzer refers to is the fact that if the person has committed no crime, nor are they suspected of committing a crime they cannot open up a domestic terrorism investigation.

I understand that many will demand that policy be changed, but think about it for a moment. Our federal government already would label many of those who read this article as potential terrorists, which means that they would be investigating each and every one of us without probably cause.

I know I would never, and many in the audience that read this article would never, threaten violence against anyone, especially the federal government, but we would take seriously defending ourselves due to our Second Amendment rights. Do we really want the feds investigating perfectly innocent people who have no intention of doing anything wrong simply because they believe in liberty, think that they country is under assault from the current occupant of the White House, and feel threatened by their own government? I would think not.

More demands for federal involvement, whether it is gun control laws or FBI investigations is not the solution. The solution is for American citizens to become educated about firearms, learn how to use them properly, safely and effectively. Get over your fear of guns and be ready to stop bad guys like James Holmes or Wade Michael Page if you come face to face with them and they are threatening your life or the lives of those you are around. It is that we awaken from our slumber and become vigilant and stop being so dependent upon government, not just for protection, but for anything, except to enforce the law that protects our liberties.

Seriously ladies and gentlemen, it’s time for those who are squeamish about guns to grow up and fend for themselves rather than thinking paper and ink and a squad car thirty miles away will protect them from vicious criminals who wish to do them harm.

ADRoberts

Don’t you know. Anyone who says ANYTHING against the present government is ON THE FEDs RADAR. That means me and you too.
Bill W

The man was a sociopath. (No conscience). Now he is dead. We should be armed and ready for the next one to show up. He’s out there right now waiting for is opportunity. And no. We do not need to know why he hates us. Who cares! We don’t need psycho-babble, we need to be able to act successfully to save our life and the lives of others.
cmjay

Innocent people died because this SCUM is an IDIOT as well. He most likely mistook this PEACEFUL and LAW abiding SIKHS as Muslims just because of their HEAD COVERING. Either this or he is a BRAIN DEAD BIGOT. it is scary for there are a lot of them walking around and they PROCREATE.
WASP

Why would the feds want to stop a Front Page mass murder when they need all the help they can get to grab our guns? Time for Civil War II people. These fascists won’t be stopped by voting.
fliteking

“Sikh Temple Shooter On Feds Radar – That Didn’t Stop Him”

The Feds did nothing.

Much like Fast and Furious was meant to accomplish, the liberals will want the law abiding citizen to surrender their arms and take the blame for these deaths.
- mcbee555
  
  Feds did nothing because they judged the shooter(Colorado theater) as one with logical behavior. He was a top student before he quit school, went into his shell, and came out shooting. But, it didn’t materialize overnight.
  He also was collecting $28,500 annual sustenance from the fed. gov’t.
  He slipped past any questions by the feds. because they didn’t ask, didn’t investigate, didn’t qualify him as a normal behaving individual.
  If this guy was able to gain federal financial support, how many more are out there? I wonder that if those grants were qualified by a private organization, would there be such liberal awarding of same?
- fliteking
  
  Great questions. I bet we’ll soon get some answers.
http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

Apart from the ‘conspiracy theorists’ who may have valid points that these current incidents of mass shootings may be orchestrated to gin up support for a reenactment of the “assault weapons ban”, this time going all the way down to .22 caliber weapons, I feel that something is out of place with some situations going on here. They have a common thread: most have happened in a ‘gun free killing zone’ where numbers of people are conveniently corralled in a box, with the likelihood of someone in the crowd having a self defense weapon is virtually nil. As hundreds of illegals, gang members and terrorists from around the world casually stroll across our southern border every day, I feel apprehension that this kind of thing is only going to escalate. Might eventually come to the point we’re having to have people carry concealed weapons to their churches and temples, as Israel does.
- mcbee555
  
  Agreed. The Israelis understand risk and take it seriously. They know the consequences of not being serious. They haven’t stopped terrorism 100%, but at least they try. We are being threatened from within, but complacency, political correctness, and fear of “profiling” accusations have frozen Americans to inaction. In the end, by not displaying alertness to actual threat, we can be deader faster than those keeping up their guard.Those who scheme against us depend on American complacency.
Tom

If he was dishonorably discharged, then his right to keep and bear arms were lost. Like felons, those who went so far as to get canned dishonorably are stripped of their right to vote and right to own a gun. That didn’t stop him. Being a schizophrenic didn’t stop him from getting a gun either. The question is, was the gun illegally obtained or did he buy it with the blessing of the police in a background check like with the schizophrenic psychos in the Arizona and Colorado shootings? This is just TOO damned convenient that suddenly there’s a rash of mass shootings just as the U.N. gun ban treaty is coming up for a vote. TOO damned coincidental. Smells like a conspiracy to me, just like Fast and Furious. It’s designed to gain support from the masses for banning second amendment rights.
- fliteking
  
  Agreed. The convenience of these shootings also takes the focus of Fast and Furious.
- Guest
  
  I too thought it strangely coincidental that there was a mass shooting, now two, during the time the UN is here to design the small arms treaty meant to cancel the second amendment.
mcbee555

Wade Page was a bad actor, a discipline problem in the U.S. Army, finally booted out dishonorably. Individuals like him, going nowhere fast, are apt to blame their self-made troubles on others…they just don’t evaluate their own behavior. Under our system of law, properly executed, there wasn’t enough on this guy to incarcerate him, no one really knew what kind of chaos traveled through his mind. Whether his access to the murder weapon was legal or not, he would have found a way to get hold of a gun, he traveled with dangerous people.
It still hasn’t been ascertained whether he had a companion or not, that matter is still under investigation. But, it’s always “the gun” that’s blamed, as if the gun walked that nut into a Sikh Temple. The poor temple leader who put up a fight with a butter knife and died of wounds…I’ve thought about him, the kind of courage he had. If he had had access to a gun at the very moment he had to use a butter knife in defense, perhaps he could have at least incapacitated Page and all those lives would have had a chance.
The Sikhs are a peaceful people, but in their history they have been known as fine soldiers of the British Commonwealth up to/including WW2. They also have a legacy of being law enforcement officers, they’ve always been on the right side of peace and law. They did nothing wrong but dress in their tradition, but of course Wade would have preferred people in brown shirts, swastika armbands, and jack boots. That’s where he was headed when booted out of the Army and that’s where he finally satisfied his needs.
Possession of the gun he could have come by easily, the people he traveled with certainly knew where to get them. Most criminal types do.
The usually undermanned FBI shouldn’t be blamed either, when they’re freed-up from insane PC regulations, as our armed forces also suffer through, they can do their jobs very well. It’s the officials in their “Ivory Towers” who inhibit law enforcement while mini-managing to achieve their job justification.
- Tom
  
  It’s wrong to lash out at any Muslim just because they’re Muslim over 9/11. Those acts are bad enough. But what really fries me is the loads of numbnuts out there who are so ignorant that they mistake sikhs for Muslims. And even worse, even after a number of such incidents were made public, they CONTINUE to make this mistake. I remember soon after 9/11 some poor sikh, I believe it was in California, was out in his front yard tending his lawn and some scumbag shot him in a drive by. It was determined they thought he was a Muslim. Again, bad enough to simply lash out at someone like that who probably isn’t a terrorist. But to be stupid enough to not know the difference and to not bother to make themselve aware of the difference just adds to the insanity of their acts.
- Charlie
  
  Please, you might insult the scumbags by lumping that knot-head in with the scumbags.
- mcbee555
  
  Most of us want to live and let live. What mitigates this wish is pure, blind, hate and ignorance for those who may look or worship differently.
  Of course, I question if this guy Page had an ounce of Christianity in his soul, if he was a Christian at all.
- Charlie
  
  I still cannot, under any circumstances, agree with bringing a weapon into a house of worship, and I don’t see the Sikhs doing so, either.
  
  That aside, I could have written every single word you did. Very, very nicely said.
- tionico
  
  I can, and do, carry every time I enter my own “house of worship”, or any other along with friends. Had some of those Sikhs done so, perhaps this clown could have had a reduced level of “success”.
  
  When someone can absolutely, no possibility of error at any level, guarantee me NO ONE, and I meen absolutely not one person, intent upon doing harm, will EVER enter any house of worship where I am present, then I’ll quit carrying the most practical means of protection for everyone else in there. Until then, I’ll continue carrying, hoping I will never need to use it. What if some clown comes into OUR lowly, quiet, peaceful, gathering and begins to assault anyone in there? I refuse to relegate myself, and those in there with me, to helpless victim status.
  
  Sorry if this offends your sensibilities, but it is precisely YOUR sick thinking along these lines makes such attacks as this, and the theater in COlorado, and Virginia Tech, and Columbine High School, not only possible, but all but certain to continue. Until ALL peace loving and law abiding residents arm themselves, prepared to BE the First Responders we ARE by virtue of BEING THERE, thise insane incidents will contnue. WHen such attacks are stopped after the first, or secoind, shot by an armed common citizen, they will end. Not until then. The alternative is a police state, or military lockdown. No thanks, I’ll take my own tool to respond.
- mcbee555
  
  Charlie: I don’t favor a firearm in a house of worship either. It is doubtful the Sikhs would do that, but when the chips were down, when innocent lives were on the line, the poor man still tried to defend his flock with a butterknife. He went on defense without an effective implement against a gun. He and his worshippers would still have had the chance to survive with one gun available. It’s a tough moral choice, but it wouldn’t be the first time that pastors had to carry for the protection of all in our country. The killer probably thought he’d be a hero for shooting Muslims, obviously ignorant enough not to realize Sikhs are not Muslims, nor do they condone anything remotely like jihadi suicide/homicide or honor killing of women and girls. We have in our country now a grouping of individuals who hate anything connected to God, I don’t see any good reason for such religious folks to have their lives terminated by individuals who come prepared to slaughter undefended people.
  That’s how I feel and I respect your right to your feelings too.
- Dennis
  
  Are you aware that he was in psy-ops in the army? Interesting to say the least.The media has been chompin at the bit for someone like this to go off and they finally got it.In fact he is a picture perfect idea of what the media has always wanted.Ironic huh.There are many questions not being answered in this just as the shooting in colorado.Something is rotten in Denmark and it sure isnt just the shooters involved.
- mcbee555
  
  ‘Not aware of any psy-ops service on his part. That may be interesting, as you comment, but of more interest to me is his dishonorable discharge from the Army. I’ve seen a photo image of the man with a Nazi flag in the background, the media, which I detest, didn’t put it there. That possible Nazi affiliation tells me he connected to bad-actors because he sought out anything welcoming, even Nazis.
  I think. “Tom,” in a commentary right below yours, makes very salient points that seem acceptable.
  There’s no doubt that this Obama regime, and all connected with it, “cherry-picks” anything involving guns. That tells me they’re scared of Americans possessing guns. Why would they be scared? I figure the answer is “they deserve to be,”
  Tom brings out the fact that being “dishonorably discharged” eliminates the man’s right to legally own a firearm. Maybe I missed it, but was it ever brought out that he was a legally registered firearm owner? If he was a legal owner, how’d that happen? He was under medical-psycho treatment, apparently his psychiatrist didn’t judge his symptoms as lethal.
  The whole thing was SNAFU from the get-go. The supposed “professionals” are falling down on the job!
  Was the damned media so anxious to jump on this case, so anxious to report on “assault weapons,” that they overlooked the fact that the assault-type weapon jammed and the shooter used a shotgun? (which can do awful damage as close as he was to targets) Obviously, he didn’t know much about Sikhs, except that they were So. Asian and looked different that Euro-Caucasians. (like not white)
  Maybe he imagined they were Muslims, but how’re we going to know? He’ll remain stoic while his legal defense team cops to an insanity plea. They’ve shut him off from speaking about it.
  He’ll get to trial a he– of a lot faster that that Major Hasan (Ft.Hood), who was known to be a “Soldier of Allah,” he had it printed on his introduction cards, Officers at Ft. Hood knew all about that! SNAFU and “political correctness” at work, dam it!
AmericanMade

From the very first day Obama took off he carefully placed his army into position to best protect his every move and thus far they have did one heck of a job in serving him well. Democrats like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are just a few of many top level law makers which aid and enable Obama’s radical, racist and utterly corrupt agenda………. It seems that over the years “We The People” have given up so many of our freedoms and empowerd government to the point of no return. Power has corrupted them and if we dont find a way to recall some of that power we can kiss america we knew before the Obama presidency goodbye.