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State Council Considering Offering Free Concealed Carry Classes

Jefferson City Town council is considering offering free concealed carry classes to residents, due to all the recent mass shootings. Councilman Ron Powell suggested the idea at a City Council meeting a day after a gunman shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee on Aug. 5.

Had someone with a gun and a concealed carry license been present at the temple, and at the Aurora, Colo., movie theater where a gunman killed 12 people July 20, the death tolls at both locations might not have been as high, Powell said.

“The only sure way to protect everyone is to have a police officer with them at all times,” said Powell, who has held his concealed carry license for 12 years. “That’s obviously not possible. You can either be a victim or a gun carrier.”

Jeffersontown’s Safety Committee, which consists of council members Carol Pike, Brian Abrams, Pam Ware and Powell, is considering partially or fully subsidizing the cost of the class for the city’s residents.

Classes typically cost around $100, Jeffersontown Police Chief Rick Sanders told the committee.

While many of our politicians, President Obama, and anti-gun activists are doing everything they can to take our guns, trying to make us a defenseless nation. Many of our local politicians are standing up, and realizing what the real problem is, an unarmed public. The lies the anti-gun campaign’s and the politicians have been feeding the media and the people for years are no longer holding the ground they once did. This is due to statistical proof, and the common sense of our great American people.

The American people are waking up and starting to realize crime is hitting them at home. Whether in the city, country, or rural settings. Many law abiding citizens have been robbed, wounded, killed, and even mutilated do to not having any means of self defense. Innocents are being targeted where “NO GUNS ALLOWED” signs are posted, and many business’ have started taking down their “NO GUNS ALLOWED” signs because the realization that criminals are not going to obey the sign or the law, thus making them a target for criminals at large.

Judges, Law Enforcement, and citizens are now becoming more aware of the necessity of the law abiding citizens being armed. Kennesaw Ga. was one of the first to set the tone for “Mandatory Gun Ownership of homeowners, with certain exceptions, with an ordinance that they passed in 1982. Their statistics helped to prove the anti-gun activists, as well as the gun control agenda are all lies. As people from all over the world are reaching out to warn the U.S. “Do not let them take your guns”, people are starting to listen, because once again statistics are showing the truth about an unarmed nation.

I am hoping that many other politicians, judges, city councils, and law enforcement will follow suit, as they see these influential individuals taking a stand to help protect our citizens, by allowing them to protect themselves. As Jeffersontown Police Chief Rick Sanders told the committee “You can either be a victim or a gun carrier.” In no doubt they are thinking about the citizens being able to protect themselves against criminals. But one can’t help but wonder with all the concern about the UN troops coming in to take our guns, FEMA camps, the possibility of civil war lurking around the corner, NWO, and indefinite detention, if these courageous actions by our officials will (if civil war does happen) be the very thing that helps the US win the war against tyranny.

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kellys

An armed society is a polite society.
ARMYOF69

This is one thing definitely not about to happen in Kalifornya. Only gangsters are allowed to CARRY”.
Ron Alford

When gun ownership goes up, crime goes down. And, vice versa.
Son of the Fierce One

Remember the movie, “The Russians are coming. The Russians are coming”. There was a scene where all of the towns people are standing in the street holding their hunting rifles and shotguns as the Russian sailors walk up the street. We need that today.
Saltporkdoc

Ref: the final sentence of your post. That was exactly the reason the Founding Fathers added the 2nd Amendment, not to protect hunters, rather to protect citizens from becoming prey!
ARMYOF69

“rapid police response in the city is even worse”. They WILL show up way after the event. In LA it took them 20 minutes , after I was held up at gunpoint by a black criminal in broad daylight. All they had to say is ” You’re lucky to be alive” . It went no further.
mamasview

Unlike the compact European countries that so many liberal Democrats want us to model ourselves by, the US has large expanses of open land without the possibility of rapid law enforcement responses. In some areas (mine included) we are many miles from the nearest urban community. If we call for assistance, 30-45 minute response by a sheriff’s deputy is fantastic. Travel on lonely back roads, at night, can be very dangerous, especially for lone women.
By disarming the citizens in our area (many elderly) you would leave us at the mercy (HAH!) of roaming bands of criminals. What deterrant would there be?
As it is now, the local crime is mostly break ins when no one is home. It is well known that ALL of these “country folk” are armed!
http://www.facebook.com/marty.francom.1 Marty Francom

The only problem with everyone carrying a gun is: If there is a shoot out and Good Guys and Bad Guys are blasting away at each other. And the police show up. Who do they shoot at? They would probably shoot at any one tat has a Gun that is not a policeman. Also, say several Good Guys are in that Theater and began shooting a the Bad Guy but then see’s others shooting. They could likely get confused as to how’s a Bad Guy and who’s a Good Guy. Anyone ever hear of Friendly Fire? It could certainly be that the Bad Guy gets shot early on then Good Guys mistakenly begin firing at other Good Guys. I now if someone starts firing at me (or I think they are firing at me), I fire back. Good Guy, Bad Guy it doesn’t matter.
- conservative
  
  You worry too much.
- ARMYOF69
  
  PLEEEESE….do not buy any guns, for my sake and yours.
- 44rd11
  
  Well, it seems in NYC they did get the one bad guy – and how many “innocent” bystanders? Don’t they teach the police how to shoot?
el_loco_jp

Would it kill you to mention what state Jefferson City is in? From reading the comments, can I asume MO?
MontieR

Cool beans, It is about time common sense prevailed.
hollygreen9

I cannot understand why a concealed carry permit is even required. What is the difference if it is under your coat, or hanging off your hip. I refuse to get one! It is just another way of the government tracking who you are and what you have. The 2nd amendment does not state you need one. In my state, you can carry concealed as long as you are not in a city limit, and one hanging off your hip in plain sight in OK! I spent 22 years in the military, and have dispensed with thousands of rounds of ammo, and I still have to go to a class? How assinine is that?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBPI63ABT264USBDALCN4F7UKY billy2

SOUNDS LIKE A HELLAVA GOOD IDEA!!
9Spoon9

Sadly, Missouri is suffering through a tremendous increase in shooting-related violence, deaths and injuries both in Columbia and Jefferson City over the past several months.

At least one elected official in Jeff City has the outright faith in an armed populace making for a safer place to live. I’m sure there are quite a few certified instructors within central MO, that would offer some of their time and services to instruct the eight (8) hours of classroom training followed by the 140 rounds of live fire with both a revolver and a pistol.

Mr. Powell, thank you for your pro-active stand toward a solution that has been shown to really make an impact by the much reduced overall crime rates. I wish you and the good citizens in Jeff City the most of luck in putting this program together to help insure the safety of all.

Spoon
Morgan County, MO
- Tionico
  
  Is this the standard training required by Missouri State Law? If so, it seems excessive. A three hour safety course, as required by Oregon, is a lot…. no live fire training. This much class time sets the total cost of arming one’s self quite high. Why not change state law, eliminating most, ir not all, such training? Many states hve no such requirement, and have no problems. ANyone making the decision to arm themselves is VERY likely to read, study, spend time in live fire, get and watch video training, attend a multi-day firearms training school…. on THEIR time, and at facilities of THEIR choice. Lower the “bar” for citizens to be armed, more will. There is NO statistical basis for requiring such intense training before getting the permit. It amounts to an infringement… something not allowed. Move to repeal the requirements.
- 9Spoon9
  
  On the contrary…too many across the country that have never fired weapons either as target shooters or hunting sportsmen have awoken to the fact the 2nd Amendment is the keystone of Liberty. They understand that the Militia is ME & U considering the National Guard wasn’t in existence until 1917.
  
  Your 3hr course doesn’t seem to allow enough time to clearly explain all aspects regarding the lawful carry and the consequences involved if deadly force is wielded. Several years ago, I could have gotten a CCW in Louisiana without much fuss, since I’m retired military, but that’s changed now too, I believe.
  
  MO lawmakers wrote the course description. This class covers MO R.S. Chapters 563 & 571. Missouri’s Law was amended last year from handgun weapon of choice to mandate both the use and operation with live fire of both the revolver and pistol type handguns.
  
  If sanity were applied to CCW…there wouldn’t be braggadocios fellows toting 500S&Ws in concealed fashion…and yes these nutz qualified with those hand cannons!
  
  The 8hr course covers all phases of firearms and munitions types. Many scenarios are introduced to illicit reactions and comments from attendees. Of course they review basic firearms safety with a complete review along with a broken down explanation in instances of use of deadly force as each item in the Statutes are reviewed.
  
  There is no written test, but live fire consists of 50 rounds “warm-up” with each weapon type and 20 rounds each for dual qualification on a standard B27 silhouette. Although not mandated by law, students are required to shoot 5 of the 20 rounds with their non-dominant hand. This is the original course I attended. It is headed by an area PD Chief (former USAF Security). He has 2 other gents that assist. Reed, a former Navy Seal and Mike is a competitive marksman that happens to be a former USAF Weapons & Tactics Instructor. Jim and Reed are MO State & NRA-Certified, while Mike is MO State-Certified.
  
  Jim, the Chief, is a Missouri State LE Instructor & Martial Arts Instructor. All 3 offer training to any students prior to taking the CCW course as well as anytime thereafter. I may be prejudiced…but I don’t believe you will find a more complete course in this state that insures all qualifying applicants have a complete understanding of the implications of carry and implementing the use of deadly force.
  http://www.heartlandccw.com/
  
  One of our daughters took her CCW course in St Peters, MO near where she lives. When I took her to our family’s range here a couple of weeks ago, she couldn’t believe I wanted her to shoot left-handed. “They didn’t make us do that when I went to XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX’s course. Oh really? Now I’ve worked with her and she’s as good or better (a bit slower) with her off hand than she is with her right. She also has to kneel, sit and shoot prone and we’ll be working on barricades with her next visit. When she’s with the “old man”, she’s held to a higher standard. Life doesn’t offer you a 2nd chance in an up close and personal, real life, live or die moment.
  
  Yes…I take things seriously, but she and our grandkids all are better for it. Sorry to swing wide of subject. Support the RKBA and Oppose the UN bull they’re trying to ram down our throats.
- 44rd11
  
  If you carry a gun, or have one (rifle or pistol) and you don’t know how to shoot it – put it away – you will never use it and you’ve wasted your money. Might as well have no “gun” as to not know how to use it. It is like giving you a drivers license and you’ve never been behind the wheel of a car.
- 9Spoon9
  
  On the contrary…too many across the country that have never fired weapons either as target shooters or hunting sportsmen have awoken to the fact the 2nd Amendment is the keystone of Liberty. They understand that the Militia is ME & U considering the National Guard wasn’t in existence until 1917.
  
  Your 3hr course doesn’t seem to allow enough time to clearly explain all aspects regarding the lawful carry and the consequences involved if deadly force is wielded. Several years ago, I could have gotten a CCW in Louisiana without much fuss, since I’m retired military, but that’s changed now too, I believe.
  
  MO lawmakers wrote the course description. This class covers MO R.S. Chapters 563 & 571. Missouri’s Law was amended last year from handgun weapon of choice to mandate both the use and operation with live fire of both the revolver and pistol type handguns.
  
  If sanity were applied to CCW…there wouldn’t be braggadocios fellows toting 500S&Ws in concealed fashion…and yes these nutz qualified with those hand cannons!
  
  The 8hr course covers all phases of firearms and munitions types. Many scenarios are introduced to illicit reactions and comments from attendees. Of course they review basic firearms safety with a complete review along with a broken down explanation in instances of use of deadly force as each item in the Statutes are reviewed.
  
  There is no written test, but live fire consists of 50 rounds “warm-up” with each weapon type and 20 rounds each for dual qualification on a standard B27 silhouette. Although not mandated by law, students are required to shoot 5 of the 20 rounds with their non-dominant hand. This is the original course I attended. It is headed by an area PD Chief (former USAF Security). He has 2 other gents that assist. Reed, a former Navy Seal and Mike is a competitive marksman that happens to be a former USAF Weapons & Tactics Instructor. Jim and Reed are MO State & NRA-Certified, while Mike is MO State-Certified.
  
  Jim, the Chief, is a Missouri State LE Instructor & Martial Arts Instructor. All 3 offer training to any students prior to taking the CCW course as well as anytime thereafter. I may be prejudiced…but I don’t believe you will find a more complete course in this state that insures all qualifying applicants have a complete understanding of the implications of carry and implementing the use of deadly force.
  http://www.heartlandccw.com/
  
  One of our daughters took her CCW course in St Peters, MO near where she lives. When I took her to our family’s range here a couple of weeks ago, she couldn’t believe I wanted her to shoot left-handed. “They didn’t make us do that when I went to XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX’s course. Oh really? Now I’ve worked with her and she’s as good or better (a bit slower) with her off hand than she is with her right. She also has to kneel, sit and shoot prone and we’ll be working on barricades with her next visit. When she’s with the “old man”, she’s held to a higher standard. Life doesn’t offer you a 2nd chance in an up close and personal, real life, live or die moment.
  
  Yes…I take things seriously, but she and our grandkids all are better for it. Sorry to swing wide of subject. Support the RKBA and Oppose the UN bull they’re trying to ram down our throats.
- 44rd11
  
  both a revolver and a pistol – well, yes, I guess there is a difference in the detail – but a revolver is a pistol while a pistol may not be a revolver.
- 9Spoon9
  
  You need to bone-up. Both are handguns, but a revolver is classified as such due to it’s mechanism. A semi-auto (or full-auto/Class 3) is a pistol, dependent upon barrel length. Check with any knowledgable firearms trainer, Mfg’r or your local Gunsmith.
http://www.facebook.com/dianna.c.ware Dianna Cossin Ware

Hello – American people – STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS – I refuse to let our country be unarmed! Our Military fights for our FREEDOMS AND THIS IS ONE FREEDOM I TRUELLY BELIEVE IN AND SO SHOULD YOU! When the old lady stabbed a would be robber with a huge fork they ask her – “Do you think the robber will come back?” She said: “Nope and he will tell his buddies – don’t go to that house – their is a crazy old lady that will stab you”. DEFEND YOURSELVES NO MATTER WHAT THE FRAUD, HILLARY CLINTON OR THE UN SAYS! “THEY CAN TAKE YOUR LIFE BUT THEY CAN’T TAKE YOUR FREEDOM”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- victoryman
  
  Hello, Diana. An unarmed populace is a controllable populace. Remember, Hitler took all guns out of civilian hands. We know the results there. There are those in this country that want to do away with Second Amendment rights. Remember, without the Second Amendment, there will be no First Amendment. The great story of the little old lady pulled over for speeding…..she told the officer she had a permit for concealed carry and told him she had a .38 in her purse, a .45 under the seat, a .357 in the glove compartment and a 9 mm in a tummy pack around her waist. The officer asked her what she was afraid of? Her answer was right to the point: “Not a damn thing!”
- Nealstar
  
  victoryman,
  I’d like to add a few things to your comment:
  1. In support of your point about Hitler, see the Genocide Chart which breaks down the 170 million disarmed civilians murdered by their governments in the 20th century. There really shouldn’t be any debate about it. The only thing keeping governments, including ours, is the ability of the citizens to resist with lethal force.
  http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm
  
  2. To supplement the little old lady who was armed to the teeth, I saw a bumper sticker that said, “I carry a handgun in my purse because a shotgun won’t fit.”
  
  3. “When the people fear their government,
  there is tyranny; when the government fears the
  people, there is liberty.”
  
  –Thomas Jefferson
  
  4. Also, many are operating under the false assumption that in case of martial law in the U. S., the military won’t fire on their fellow citizens. I strongly disagree and one need look no further than the actions of the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University in 1970.
- victoryman
  
  You are right on point, Nealstar. Love point #2. To add your point #4, another shameful time in our history was the attack on the Bonus Marchers (Vets of WW 1) led by MacArthur.
  I don’t think we’ll see actual gun control immediately if the current occupant living in public housing at 1600 is reelected. “Ammunition control” might be a different story.
  A disarmed populace is an easily controlled populace. I cannot see combat veterans firing on civilians……and untried guardsman is another story. Also, check out “Oath keepers.” This group seems to have their head screwed on right.
- Nealstar
  
  victoryman,
  With you on the Bonus Marchers, but forgot to include it.
  
  I’m up in the air as to the implementation of gun control given the possibility that flushing twice might not get the current occupant of 1600 from DC to Hyde Park. It is, after all about 700 miles.
  
  Ammunition control is another story as the Leftist hysteria over people buying 1K round lots of ammo on the Internet after Carrot Top in Aurora. I really can’t think of any reason why anyone would “need” to buy that much ammo online other than, with the frequent promotions even with shipping, it’s sometimes half the price of purchasing at retail and some people just like to get out and shoot because the “right wing extremists bitterly clinging to their guns get a perverse pleasure from the smell of the powder, the recoil therapy, and the sexual act of cleaning the bore of their favorite phallic extension”. (That’s not an actual quote, but I don’t use emoticons and haven’t found a punctuation or diacritical mark to denote sarcasm.) I never had a desire to reload, but…
  
  My reasons for believing the military will follow orders and fire on their fellow citizens are that with unemployment at 8%+ and them being gainfully employed, they’ll want to stay gainfully employed and will rationalize their actions with “agent authority” and tell themselves that they’re “just following orders” and have families to support. They will also, most likely, not be deployed in their own home towns and will have been indoctrinated to believe that the people they’re acting against are treasonous, loaded adjective, loaded adjective nouns.
  
  I’ve checked out Oath Keepers and think much of what they put forth makes sense, but in my experience, those who talk the most aren’t there when needed. In a war zone, it’s usually the macho posturing PX cowboys and in civilian, but not life and death situations, it’s something like, “Was it tonight?”, “I was going to, but I hurt my ankle skiing”, “I have to take my kid to soccer” or “Sorry we missed your call, but if you leave a message, we’ll get right back to you. Have a nice day. Beep”.
  
  Dessicant in your ammo cans.
- victoryman
  
  The current occupant will have to be pulled kicking and screaming from 1600…..Hyde Park is much too dangerous. My calculator is smoking trying to keep up with the daily murders in Chicago. I used to spend a lot of time in Chicago in the 90′s and it was a pretty safe city. Some bad areas, but that’s the way with all cities.
  The “Just following orders” has a familiar ring to it. No comment needed. I couldn’t agree more on the “PX Cowboys.” We have plenty to go round here in Texas. Human nature will kick in when push comes to shove…..most are too lazy to push and don’t want to get shoved. “I’d help, but tonight I have to rearrange my sock drawer.”
- Nealstar
  
  victoryman,
  For sure kicking and screaming “racism!”. I shudder to think what Me-me-mechelle will be screaming having read parts of her master’s thesis.
  
  I moved to Chicago from farther east when I was 2, left 19 years later for the Army and SE Asian War Games, came back and fell into an apprenticeship for about 3 years, Germany to study, train some more and go to school for a couple of years, then back to open a business for 13 years and finally Colorado. Interestingly, I was looking through about 40 years of notes trying to find a quotation and saw letters I’d written to Illinois politicians telling them if they didn’t get real about the gun laws, I was taking myself and business someplace else.
  
  I know ALL about Chicago, Barry Soetero, Bill Ayers, Rahm Emanuel, and how the Daley family does business and the Cook County Democratic machine. Chicago has the most Draconian gun laws, the highest murder rate in the country and a higher murder rate than Afghanistan and Rahm’s solution is to tell the gangbangers to aim more carefully and try not to hit the children. It would seem to be a caricature of a demonstration of the myth of citizen gun ownership contributing to crime and, along with John Lott’s “More guns, less crime” and the FBI report an indictment of gun control, its proponents and the reason the Left wants the citizens unable to defend themselves.
  
  While watching the Republican debates, Rick Perry gave the impression that Texas had its head screwed on pretty straight and I have a customer down there who said it’s pretty typical with the cities being liberal and the rural areas being conservative.
  
  Seems we’ve either been reading each others mail or you’ve had similar experiences when hoping for some backup. Only person I trust with my life is my wife and hope you’re equally blessed. My only problem with that scenario is getting her out of in front of me and pushing her behind me as she’s a vengeful, merciless and protective goddess.
- victoryman
  
  You have Texas nailed. I live outside Austin (I call it San Francisco East.) My town is conservative, Austin is a hotbed of liberalism and yuppies – high taxes, Organic food, high taxes, bike paths, high taxes, outrageous electric (Green) rates, high taxes, etc. Good university (U.T.) with the usual liberal arts leftists. Good Sciences – excellent music school. Perry has done a decent job making Texas very business friendly. However, was glad to see Ted Cruz defeat Lt. Gov. Dewhurst for repub senate nominee. Dewhurst had too much “Old boy” baggage.
  Long time Buffalo resident – then Merrillville, In., to Pittsburgh and now Texas. Should have done it years ago. No snow, no scraping the windshield, no wet feet – all the joys of Winter.
  Was stationed at Ft. Carson many moons ago – they were just starting to move the dirt for the Air Force Academy when I left. Colorado was certainly beautiful.
  As for obambi – I tell people that, “We are judged by the company we keep.” I think that sums up obambi and the angry, anti-American wife. Hopefully, people will see the light come Nov. 6th.
  Reading my Bible this morning (A very non-P.C. thing to do.) 1 Corinthians. 14:8 really hit me. “For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who shall prepare for battle?” We certainly have an uncertain sounding trumpet at 1600.
  I too am blessed these past fifty one years with a wife who has truly been my partner on this journey. She can be tough as nails should the situation arise. Folks think the police carry pistols to protect the populace. Wrong. They carry pistols for their own protection. We have an eccellent P.D. in my town, but they can’t be everywhere at once.
  With all the babbling from the politicians, the state run media and the “Strategists” this election year, I go to a quotation from Gen. Heinz Guderian that sits in my bookcase. “The future will surely triumph over the perpetual yesterday.” I hope he is right.
- Nealstar
  
  victoryman,
  I’m about equidistant from two towns, one of which is Left to the point that when my ex was out here (not to see me but to try to open a business) she opined that they should put a wall around it and make it into a theme park of the ’60s. The other is larger with more businesses, a couple of malls and is mostly conservative. It’s pretty much a microcosm of Colorado which contrasts Colorado Springs and Boulder.
  
  The state is still beautiful, never gets as cold as Chicago where I remember -83 with the windchill and had to wear a spacesuit to walk my dog. Out here in the mountains, if the sun is shining, one can be out in the snow in shorts and a t-shirt. The idea of NO snow at all is very appealing and Texas has a certain cache to it even with all the cliches. Rick Perry, in spite of his swaggering, macho posturing would have been a good representative to counter the PC metrosexual, America hating, with the mostly hidden past,
  soon to be former occupant of the Oval Office. It takes a mile to turn the QE2 from it’s course and according to Arthur Brooks of the American Enterprise Institute, it will take about 10-12 years to get the country back on track so we can afford to give a few Conservative leaders a crack at it knowing that it will be extremely difficult for any of them to equal Obama’s malignant incompetence.
  
  The person blowing the trumpet the past few years certainly hasn’t been Louis Armstrong, has it? Seems more like the old line about, “don’t be puking in your bugle when it’s time to sound the charge”.
  
  I’ll see your Gen. Guderian and raise you a von Clauswitz, “Concentrate all your strength at your opponent’s weakest point”. The problem is that the RINO party never charges, but is happy with a siege, in spite of that fact that the opposition gets resupplied daily.
  
  All we can do is hope for the best, prepare for the worst and keep dessicant in our ammo cans.
- victoryman
  
  One things about Gov. Perry…….underneath all the negatives the state run media tried to paint him with lies a very shrewd politician, strongly pro-business, pro-life and pro-America. Our town had an agreement in principle with a large battery manufacturer that would have created 1,000 jobs locally. Bigtime for us. All went smoothly until the company was turned down (Politically motivated?) for a large government loan……while other government loans – in demo states, were approved. There went 1,000 jobs. Our city fathers went to work and did get a small battery company, with no government loans, to come to town, creating fifty jobs. Better than the proverbial sharp stick in the eye.
  The last company I worked for, from the early 70′s until my retirement in 1999 had an interesting bit of history that fits in (Not with the state run media) with the present campaign for POTUS. In the late 80′s, my company was invested in by Bain Capital. A very large chunk of capital was injected into my company – a company with an excellent name, but had lost it’s way in a very competitive marketplace. Not one person was laid off. No changes were made at the management level. This was strictly an investment made in a company that Bain had faith in and believed could return to profitability. We expanded, bought two companies that strengthened or market position and in two years, became profitable. Naturally, Bain watched our company, but did not micro manage or interfere with the day to day management. The people from Bain that I interacted with were very astute business people with a great grasp of the economics in our country. Top drawer marketers. They were a pleasure to deal with. Sort of a different story than the propaganda from the leftist media.
  When I was stationed at Ft. Carson in the 50′s, Colorado Springs was a one stoplight town. Folks drove through there on their way to somewhere. I have friends here who moved from Colorado and they tell me Colorado Springs is now a city. Time and progress. I have memories in my mind’s eye of looking out the barracks window and seeing Pikes Peak at sunrise and sunset. Quite a sight.
  I’ll watch the Convention tonight. However, I have some concerns. I see Romney running a “McCain campaign” so far. He has many of the same advisors as McCain. Romney has to remember he’s running against obambi and the state run media. He must start toughening up his message. He’s been too nice a guy. He is fighting a battle for this country. He needs a large injection of Vitamin Gingrich. He must stop prefacing his comments about obambi with, “He’s really a nice person, a good family man, has a beautiful family, loves his dog, etc.” In the meantime, they are calling Romney a murderer, a felon, etc. The time to tough up is now! He’s allowed his opponents to define him, and that can be fatal. We’ll see what happens. It should be an interesting few days.
  I just hope that everyone realizes that storm Isaac is all Bush’s fault.
- 44rd11
  
  depends on your “viewpoint” of civilians – thugs, government “brown shirts” that come to take my guns or my freedom when I’ve done no wrong – oh yes – I’ll shoot those civilians.