Lindsey Graham: Shut Up! You Don't Get A Lawyer!


The following short video was captured in Chester, SC at a GOP fish fry. The interviewer gave me permission to use this recording of Senator Lindsey Graham defending his statement on the Senate floor, "Shut up! You don't get a lawyer!" in reference to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

Instead of clearing things up and actually doing what is right and saying, "You know, that was a stupid thing to say and on top of it unconstitutional just like the bill we passed," Senator Lindsey Graham simply went on to defend his statement to the American people. We'll note his explanation of what he meant by his statement.

First, Lindsey Graham said,

"When someone is captured and involved in an Al Qaeda attack on the country, they can be held as an enemy combatant, not a common criminal (emphasis mine). So if a guy went to Pakistan.....trained....came back....went to a mall and started shooting people, when you grab the guy, we should hold him as an enemy combatant, under the law of war."

OK Senator Graham, first you are not even addressing the main issue. You are talking as if as soon as there is a mall shooting that it would be known that the guy has been trained to be an enemy combatant. Are you saying that our government would have that information on the fly as soon as it happened? If that is the case, then wouldn't that make our government complicit in such an attack? If our government is stupid enough to track a man leaving the US to Pakistan, know who he is dealing with and training with and then allow him back in the States I think those who allow such are in fact part of the terrorist problem and they should be arrested and tried.

In either case, they are both criminal acts. You can call it enemy combatants but the reality is it is a crime. What if the person was not even affiliated with Al Qaeda? What if they were a white supremacist group that hid up in the mountains and came and did the same thing? Seems like you want to make Al Qaeda out to be the boogeyman, instead of realizing they are a monster created by the CIA. Also, just so you know, you guys are having a bit of trouble actually declaring war, so the use of the term enemy combatant

Only a full time politician would levy the phraseology "the law of war." He has no concept of warfare and so I am not going to address that in this post.

Graham continues,

"and if he says, 'I want my lawyer,' no this is not a crime, this is an act of war we are investigating, but everybody captured under that circumstance will get to go to a judge, with habeas hearing and the judge would have to agree that the guy is an enemy combatant..."

You can be held under the Patriot Act without seeing a federal judge. You will be held simply because you are perceived as a threat and have committed a crime, oh I'm sorry, you are an enemy combatant, which technically if you do that on US soil is a crime against the citizens of the country, sort of like those in the House who passed the NDAA and the guy who signed it.

What is the most frightening part of any of this is Lindsey Graham seems to be oblivious as to how government actually works. He may think that it will keep a check on its power, but the natural tendency of government is to abuse its power. It is just its nature to do so.

I wonder if Lindsey Graham understands that American citizens can and will be targeted under the NDAA and claimed to be terrorists, not given due process and sent to prison or worse, all because they have been deemed to be a terrorist. Even by Graham's own words, he is stating that the hypothetical person caught would already be known to have affiliations with terrorists. Again, would government be complicit in the terrorist's actions? I think so.

Lindsey Graham said he didn't want people who had just committed a terrorist attack to be told they could have a lawyer or be read Miranda rights. He said that everyone captured like this "could not be held without going before a federal judge."

Yes they can Lindsey. It's part of the Patriot Act which has morphed into NDAA. Hello? Under the Patriot Act a person can be detained for seven days and during that time the Attorney General must initiate removal (deportation) proceedings or charge the person with a crime. NDAA simply becomes more of the same extending the long arm of the law to it's own citizens in a manner that this country has never seen before.

Senator Lindsey Graham and those like him who represent the people of their states should be standing for the Constitution and the rights of the people. Instead, they seek to remove the liberty and rights the Constitution is to provide. You may say, "Yes, Tim, but they are doing this only to the terrorists." Really? You know this for sure? What if the federal government considered your political views a threat? What if then they took it a step further and said that they considered those views to be the views of new terrorists? They have said this about groups other than Al Qaeda including Christians, Constitutionalists, Ron Paul Supporters, those who talk too much about the Constitution and those who promote the Second Amendment. My fellow Americans, be on your guard against a tyrannical government.

Here's Graham's statement from the floor of the US Senate:

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  • GQ4U

    "Senator Lindsey Graham and those like him who represent the people of
    their states should be standing for the Constitution and the rights of
    the people. Instead, they seek to remove the liberty and rights the
    Constitution is to provide."

    This applies to the previous two GOP POTUS candidates. One voted for the NDAA and the second openly supports its provision for the un-Constitutional detaining of U.S. citizens.

  • jamohio

    All this has led us to where we are now. Truly on the verge of tyrany and all at the federal level are complicite at this point! And they don't appear to even see it! Or they dont care!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000273964326 Denison Ridenour

    You have to be aware that these people have been raping most of the citizens and the national treasury for decades now. They know they are now like the Emperor with no clothes and are becoming quite frightened of the awakening of the citizens.
    Can you see Lindsey Graham having nightmares over being 'water boarded' and being told to 'shut up...you don't get a lawyer!!!"

  • tt82

    And just who is a terorist or enemy combatant ? It sounds like if you don't go along with and keep your mouth shut you are. Scary. See you on the battle field.

  • Wolf-Talker-1

    Ah yes words of wisdom from another elected official, gotta just love them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Micheal-Stone-Sr/100003190509303 Micheal Stone Sr.

    The one thread that ties ALL CRIMINAL DEMOS AND CRIMINAL REPUBS together is the length of tenure in government! When was the last time we had a "freshman" congressman involved in a criminal deal or some influence peddling scheme? NOT VERY OFTEN! The American people should demand TERM LIMITS , it's not a panacea, but the act alone would affect our unamerican government more than any other option !

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Micheal-Stone-Sr/100003190509303 Micheal Stone Sr.

      OH I FORGOT, Lindsay Graham is only separated from obammis' criminal cohorts by only a very few details! HE MUST GO!

    • John Patriot

      Term limits would be automatic if the majority votes were for anyone other than an incumbent.

    • stonemike

      How brilliant! Unfortunately the fact of reelection by so many incumbents is tainted by "racism", corruption, and just plain stupidity! No politician should be left in office long enough to become entrenched and become aware of where the skeletons of crooked "political deals" are hidden!

  • liberalssuck

    Then explain the FT Hood incident by a confessed muslim!!!

  • Jim L Adrian

    You hare splitting people make my head ache.

    The intent of any law in this democracy is to curtail any action of a person or group of persons which inflict injury of any kind on any legal resident of this country.

    Sometimes law officials will follow people to gather evidence. I am not a big believer in giving law personnel unchecked authority in this area, however, they must have some leeway to build a case, doesn't this ring true.

    A big coordinated assault such as 9-11 could never have happened if leads had been followed and then individuals had been singled out and caught in the act prior to their murderous rampage.

    Looking back on robberies, murders, buncos, etc., many times if law personnel had been doing their job or allowed to do their job-these civil injustices could never have been carried through.

    • Ranchman

      First of all, Jim, America is not a "Democracy," it's a Republic. At least that's the way it was set up by our Founders. Our so-called political "leaders" want everyone to believe we're a Democracy, though, because it makes it easier for them to do what they're doing to us. In a Republic, the rule of law (i.e. the Constitution) trumps all. Everyone, including our wannabe president, is equal and accountable to that rule of law. But when they forced us into democracy, against that Constitution, the rule of law became a moot point. The rule of law in a democracy is subject to the whims and interpretations of the elite. What they say goes. The Constitution DOES NOT allow for most of what the politicians are doing nor does it allow for the power the Executive Branch has usurped from the people and the States. There's so much more to what's going on, all of it evil and unConstitutional.

    • usmadgirl

      Ranchman,

      Thank you! How many citizens of this country have NO IDEA that we are NOT (or WERE not) a "Democracy"! Our so-called "leader" & all the liberal loons even call us a "Democracy"! Maybe THAT's their problem! They don't even have sense enough to know what kind of government they're actually trying to run (ruin)!

      The reason the NDAA terrifies me is the fact that this administration will not call the REAL terrorists, "terrorists". The only groups I've EVER heard ANY "progressive" call "terrorists" are conservatives, Tea Party patriots, Christians, pro-life, pro-2nd amendment or just pro-Constitution (period), pro-American, pro-Capitalism groups or basically ANYONE who disagrees with these "Social Justice", thieving, NWO Communists!

      This act has nothing to do with the ability to incarcerate & hold REAL terrorists! It's simply another ruse being executed to hold ordinary citizens without having to grant them their constitutional rights! To them, WE are the "terrorists" they want to imprison indefinitely! We're slowing down the progress of their "almost finished" agenda! This is just another Liberty-stealing, power-grabbing, citizen-controlling, unConstitutional, tyrannical act to finish us off!

      Happy "freaking" New Year!

    • OldNYFirefighter

      A Democracy is two wolves & a rabbit voting on what's for dinner. The wolves happen to be our representatives & we are the rabbit. Guess who gets munched on the most?

    • stonemike

      A well armed, fearless RABBIT will eventually overcome the 'tyranny of an authoritarian majority"!

    • stonemike

      We, the People, have not only the right, but the responsibility to remove govt that becomes unresponsive to the WILL of the PEOPLE, by force if needed ! Our govt has grown way too big and abusive and must be removed! That time is coming soon!